CRT Fetish Thread

Dochartaigh

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I'll try this again. I have a Panasonic Tau, it's a 36 incher I think, free to anyone that wants it. I will NOT help you move it. You'll need at least 3 guys to move it. No tire kickers cause it's free.

You should have seen the 5'6" tweeker who I offered $30 to on Craigslist to dispose of my Tau 36". That little fucker actually somehow lifted it off the ground by himself about 2 feet...then fell over into my wall (thankfully the wall held), then had his tweeker friend with the pickup truck help him move it. I hope the meth he bought with that $30 soothed his jacked-up back. Best $30 I ever spent. True story lol.

And this is why I limit myself to 27" CRT's anymore - I am NOT moving shit like that ever again.
 

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I'll try this again. I have a Panasonic Tau, it's a 36 incher I think, free to anyone that wants it. I will NOT help you move it. You'll need at least 3 guys to move it. No tire kickers cause it's free. I'm in South Carolina near Charlotte. Come get this thing out of my house. And no, I'm not going to take a bunch of pictures of it. It has A/V in and out, and S-video and component. Seriously. It's free. And don't ask for pics with it on. I'm not filming CRT porn here.

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Dang. If I had seen this two days ago, I just passed by your area when I got my FV310.
 

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Actually, E is my worst monitor/chassis. It's a Samsung 29" tube with a Sanwa PM1745 chassis. Live, the picture is horrendous next to the others.

A is a beauty 28" inch'er from Intervideo. I really love those THICK scanlines. I do not hold the manual of it, all I know is that it takes 15Khz and 31Khz. It has a single button/pot for OSD geometry adjustments. The picture only falls 2nd on my top of choices.

B is a 29" PVM2950QM. It is a professional monitor. Nothing much to say appart that it kicks major ass.

C is a Nanao MS9. Possibly the best one in the geometry-wise department. I still prefer the strong, popping vivid colors of the intervideo tho.

D is an Hantarex Polo 20". It looks muuuuuuuuch better live. There is no such thing as heavily pronounced scanlines, but they're there. The colors live, are as vibrant as the bigger Intervideo above. Gotta love those italian monitors :buttrock:

Well, A and D don't show up but they also have a slot mask tube. E doesn't look nice but it's the only pic where I can notice the slotmask pattern. This is a closeup of a 20" Hantarex monitor and its mask to see what I mean:

https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/304194Immagine3.jpg

https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/126906Immagine2.jpg
 
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I have the possibility to pick up a Sony PVM-14N6E for 65 € (77 USD).
https://cvp.com/pdf/sony_nseries_brch.pdf

I'm by no means an expert in these things - has anyone of you some experience with this model or a similar one, or does it look suitable for RGB retro gaming given its specs?

Thank you in advance for your time and help!

Cheers,

TGX
 

Dochartaigh

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I have the possibility to pick up a Sony PVM-14N6E for 65 € (77 USD)
TGX

I would grab that up. It's their lower end, 500 TV Line model, but has an RGB input which is good (NO YPbPr/Component support though). It's a nice little monitor if it's in good condition, and a good entry point to PVM's.
 

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I have the possibility to pick up a Sony PVM-14N6E for 65 € (77 USD).
https://cvp.com/pdf/sony_nseries_brch.pdf

I'm by no means an expert in these things - has anyone of you some experience with this model or a similar one, or does it look suitable for RGB retro gaming given its specs?

Thank you in advance for your time and help!

Cheers,

TGX

I wouldn't. You'll be wanting to upgrade as soon as you get it. It's a low end model, for one. Also, 14" is pretty small unless you're using it on a desk.
 

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I wouldn't. You'll be wanting to upgrade as soon as you get it. It's a low end model, for one. Also, 14" is pretty small unless you're using it on a desk.

I'm indeed looking for a small model to put on a desk.

Could you explain what specifications makes this a "low end model"? Is it the resolution (500 lines). If so, what would be considered a good resolution for the purpose of retro gaming?

Thanks!
 

Dochartaigh

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I wouldn't. You'll be wanting to upgrade as soon as you get it. It's a low end model, for one. Also, 14" is pretty small unless you're using it on a desk.

I'm indeed looking for a small model to put on a desk.

Could you explain what specifications makes this a "low end model"? Is it the resolution (500 lines). If so, what would be considered a good resolution for the purpose of retro gaming?

600 TV Lines is considered the golden standard for a PVM – think PVM-14M2U or PVM-20M2U. Those are what pretty much every (non-broadcast) professional used back in the day, so 500 TV Lines is no joke and is still higher spec'd than most consumer TV's, and definitely better looking with it's higher end components.

When a new video game for PS4/XB1 goes for $60, I can't see a valid argument not to pickup a PVM with RGB inputs for $77 (especially when it sounds like this would be his first PVM, and he's looking for a smaller desk model). You will want to pull the monitor to the end of the desk and sit with your chair very close to it - that's how I played all the way through Castlevania SOTN on my first 14" BVM ;) Many of us grew up with ~14" CRT's in our bedrooms so although small for today's standards, it was pretty common for decades...
 

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I'm indeed looking for a small model to put on a desk.

Could you explain what specifications makes this a "low end model"? Is it the resolution (500 lines). If so, what would be considered a good resolution for the purpose of retro gaming?

Thanks!

600 TVL is considered average for a professional monitor. Some PVMs are 800 TVL. Whereas BVMs are typically 800-1000 TVL.

It really depends on how many monitors you want to hoard and what you want your setup to consist of. Personally, I don't believe in the mantra "good first monitor". You might as well get one that suits your needs right off the bat.

Being able to accept component is useful if you're going to connect a GameCube or NTSC Wii.
 

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Finally got my OSSC 1.6. It's hooked up to my new 4K 65" LG UJ7700. It only has 12ms of input lag so this should be about as lag free as you can get on a large TV. I just got it hooked up to the gscartsw lite. Here it is with an output going to both the TV and my NEC XP29. It will be awesome to do some side by side comparisons. I haven't done a single thing setting-wise with the OSSC. I just wanted to make sure it works. My GF is headed over shortly. I should be able to mess with it all day tomorrow. I can't wait to see how it will look after some tweaking. It will be super nice to have a large CRT with the same image at the same time right next to it as a reference. I'm interested to see how well it will hold up to the CRT. I always like the actual CRT better, but I hope it does a better job than some other things I've seen. Comparing the SNES Classic side by side with these two set ups made me appreciate the CRT even more than I already did.
 

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I'm certainly not selling off my CRTs, but the OSSC does a damn good job. Here are a couple pics once I got the settings tweaked a bit. Sorry in advance for the reflection. I would have taken some comparison pics with the XP29 but the sunlight is just perfect now to make it impossible to get any kind of good CRT pic.

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Okay. Enough non-CRT garbage lol. I snagged a JVC TM-H1700G off of eBay for about 50 bucks shipped. The seller has reassured me multiple times . . . "we ship monitors all the time and it will be packed very carefully" . . . we'll see. I've had super good luck so far. It's only 2 states away, so hopefully it won't get handled as much. He didn't seem too happy about the price it went for or about my continual suggestions regarding packing and shipping it :p This would be the dream. I know my soldering skills wouldn't cut it though lol. Too bad it doesn't have RGB to begin with, but even the models with spots for an input card never have them. Seems like the card is pretty hard to come buy. People are just starting to mod those models with this same mod.
 

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I snagged a JVC TM-H1700G off of eBay for about 50 bucks shipped. The seller has reassured me multiple times . . . "we ship monitors all the time and it will be packed very carefully" . . . we'll see. I've had super good luck so far. It's only 2 states away, so hopefully it won't get handled as much. He didn't seem too happy about the price it went for or about my continual suggestions regarding packing and shipping it :p This would be the dream. I know my soldering skills wouldn't cut it though lol. Too bad it doesn't have RGB to begin with, but even the models with spots for an input card never have them. Seems like the card is pretty hard to come buy. People are just starting to mod those models with this same mod.

If you don't have experience with modding, I would stick with S-Video on this monitor. It's absolutely beautiful. JVC's do some magic with their S-Video inputs. 750+ TV Lines are extremely crisp. If you need the manual/service manual for it I uploaded it here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/wiki/speclist

...no circuit diagrams unfortunately though.
 

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Looking good Mike!

Thanks man! I couldn't live with a brand new TV without it lol. I hadn't bought a non CRT TV for a decade, so I figured if I invested in that I better go all out! I wasn't sold on a new TV until there was one released with as low of lag as the one I got. It's a 4K LG 65" with 12ms of lag. After playing fighting games for years I'm super picky. I've been able to land all the tight combos with no problems at all. I'm very happy with it and the OSSC helped a ton with that too!

If you don't have experience with modding, I would stick with S-Video on this monitor. It's absolutely beautiful. JVC's do some magic with their S-Video inputs. 750+ TV Lines are extremely crisp. If you need the manual/service manual for it I uploaded it here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/wiki/speclist

...no circuit diagrams unfortunately though.

I have a few Panasonic 13"ers that are the same JVC 13"model except for the logo. They also have fantastic s-video. I have heard the same about these as well. For now I will rock out s-video. Not skilled enough to mod just yet. Thanks for the manual :) I'll get some pics up right away if it arrives all in one piece :p
 

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These later models have very good s-video, I am have one with model with RGB and I can't tell the difference between S-video and RGB. All my Sony P/BVMs the picture quality is night and day. I have an older Panasonic, which is a rebranded and the difference is still pretty noticeable mostly in the color space arena. I also have a TM-1900 that doesn't have RGB. It does quite well over SVHS and composite but the results really vary from console to console. For example
Atari 7800 composite to Svideo is a huge jump. On my PC Engine the difference is much smaller,but the TM isn't that great 480i content coming out of my dreamcast.
 

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Anyone whit a sony trinitron kv29cl11k or similar can tell me why I can't save changing of Csec value under "design" in service menu? It must be set to 0000, 0001 or 1000... but keep going
To 1100 and everything tends to yellow...
Service menu is like this:
https://youtu.be/S9HjJI8MyTc
 
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Anyone running an original Xbox to their PVM? I picked up a SCART RGB cable and it works fine on my 21" but the picture blanks in and out on my 2950q, with or without the sync stripper engaged. Would just use the 21" but its my vertical monitor and no room to move it to horizontal.
 

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Anyone running an original Xbox to their PVM? I picked up a SCART RGB cable and it works fine on my 21" but the picture blanks in and out on my 2950q, with or without the sync stripper engaged. Would just use the 21" but its my vertical monitor and no room to move it to horizontal.

Probably an issue with the sync stripper tbh. I'd expect it not to work without one on the 2950Q, so if it's not working right, that's kinda the expected result. Guessing your 20 incher is a medical or other model with built in sync cleaning.
 

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Probably an issue with the sync stripper tbh. I'd expect it not to work without one on the 2950Q, so if it's not working right, that's kinda the expected result. Guessing your 20 incher is a medical or other model with built in sync cleaning.

It works with the other 7 systems, is there something different with the xbox sync output? I am thinking it may be the cable or signal isn't strong enough. I might just go find my component cables and call it a day :O
 

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I have a Sync Strike, Xbox, first party Xbox SCART cable and 2950Q myself, and saw issues where the Xbox didn't seem to sync (or if it did, it was brief). I didn't do any actual testing on the Xbox, but I don't think the sync strike was getting enough power (or any power?) from the Xbox SCART cable. I saw very similar behavior with a cheap Dreamcast SCART cable, and powering the Sync Strike externally fixed it. I haven't hooked up my Xbox again since then, so I can't say this would fix that for sure, but I think it'd at least be worth trying to power your sync stripper externally if you're powering it from the cable.
 

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I have a Sync Strike, Xbox, first party Xbox SCART cable and 2950Q myself, and saw issues where the Xbox didn't seem to sync (or if it did, it was brief). I didn't do any actual testing on the Xbox, but I don't think the sync strike was getting enough power (or any power?) from the Xbox SCART cable. I saw very similar behavior with a cheap Dreamcast SCART cable, and powering the Sync Strike externally fixed it. I haven't hooked up my Xbox again since then, so I can't say this would fix that for sure, but I think it'd at least be worth trying to power your sync stripper externally if you're powering it from the cable.

Ah yeah that makes sense, it seems like a power issue, because when the picture pops in its not out of sync. I just found my old component cables, so i will prob go with those for now, I dont want to add external power if I don't have to. Thanks!!
 
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Yep, most likely just not powering it sufficiently. Blanking voltages were meant to tell the TV info about the signal, not to power ICs (even though it usually works).
 
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I use an OG Xbox via SCART cable with my PVM-3230 and it works quite well. Originally I was using a cheap third party SCART cable, but I had some pretty nasty interference in the audio. I ended up snagging an official Microsoft SCART cable and it has been rock solid since.
 

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I use an OG Xbox via SCART cable with my PVM-3230

Wow, a 3230. Sort of off-topic to your comment but what do you think of it overall? Have you had other RGB monitors you can offer a comparison with?
 
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