New "Retro VGS" 2D Cartridge-based console

glazball

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Translation:

"KS won't let us let you give us money, so we're moving to indiegogo. We will have nothing to show. Give us money."

Mike Kennedy is a fucking cocksucker.

The thing that really rubs me the wrong way was that he essentially led us to believe that they were indeed working on a prototype. Rather, it was assumed they had to be working on one because that's the main fucking idea, seeing as how this is a hardware project and all. When they posted the pics of the glued cardboard, it became apparent to many they had nothing. Then finally admitted to such with this last minute switch to Indiegogo.

I'm convinced if people hadn't been asking hard questions (on neogaf, AA and elsewhere), they would have taken their hype and rendered pics/videos with NO PROTOTYPE on Kickstarter and would have likely met their goal. Going to any crowdfunding with nothing tangible is just sloppy and reeks of greed.
 

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The thing that really rubs me the wrong way was that he essentially led us to believe that they were indeed working on a prototype. Rather, it was assumed they had to be working on one because that's the main fucking idea, seeing as how this is a hardware project and all. When they posted the pics of the glued cardboard, it became apparent to many they had nothing. Then finally admitted to such with this last minute switch to Indiegogo.

I'm convinced if people hadn't been asking hard questions (on neogaf, AA and elsewhere), they would have taken their hype and rendered pics/videos with NO PROTOTYPE on Kickstarter and would have likely met their goal. Going to any crowdfunding with nothing tangible is just sloppy and reeks of greed.
So true. It's like a bunch of guys were hanging out drinking and talking about how cool it would be to make a console with no actual idea how to implement it, what the cost would actually be etc...
 

HeavyMachineGoob

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After this indiegogo campaign fails, they need to unveil the RETRO VGS CD. Surely they got the Jag CD shells thrown in when they bought the Jag shells right?
 

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well, if that dental company made itty bitty photocopiers, then yes.
 

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Their crowd funding has been up for a full day now and they've had 154 backers. That's some serious Xbox-One-sales-in-Japan numbers there.

I'm glad the Internet didn't go bonkers for this. Their pricing and much of their business model is crazy. $2 million funding goal but $3.8 million for hardware strong enough to meet their original promise of running other old console's games. They could buy PlayStation TVs at retail for less than $100, yank the innards out and stuff them into Jaguar shells and have a more capable machine.
 

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Well, plus now Kevtris, who was to make working cores, shitted on them hard and justified, plus they kicked the "Super Noahs Ark" guy off the boat (the real fun read is at atariage-forums).
Predictions are, that they will roughly reach 50% at that time
http://crowdcharts.com/campaign/retro-vgs
This is really fun to watch go down.
 

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No way in hell this thing gets funded. Even on their FB it seems the tides have turned where people are realizing they keep back pedaling and changing their specs all the while having nothing physical to show off. It's been apparent over on AA for months that these guys are completely clueless, but now the masses are seeing them for what they are.
 

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No way in hell this thing gets funded. Even on their FB it seems the tides have turned where people are realizing they keep back pedaling and changing their specs all the while having nothing physical to show off. It's been apparent over on AA for months that these guys are completely clueless, but now the masses are seeing them for what they are.

I had no idea what a cluster fuck this thing was until I read most of the thread on AA WOW! I wonder why they even bothered to start the funding after the board dev guy on AA left this sinking ship. Seems really stupid to go foward after that.
 

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I had no idea what a cluster fuck this thing was until I read most of the thread on AA WOW! I wonder why they even bothered to start the funding after the board dev guy on AA left this sinking ship. Seems really stupid to go foward after that.

That's what we've been saying all along over there. They have truly nothing to show in terms of hardware. I don't know what they've been doing for the last year other than producing 3D images of vaporware. With Piko Interactive's posts about SNA3D, I'm really curious about how many of their proposed launch titles will actually exist. There won't be a Neo Geo core and I doubt NGDEV is going to port Gunlord to ARM for a niche system. They've also made zero mention of development tools. So for as little as we've heard about their hardware, we know even less about the software side of the house. That doesn't even take into account distribution or customer support.

If funding breaks $150,000 I would be extremely surprised.
 

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These clowns are making those Ouya clowns look like mid-2000s Satoru Iwata.
 

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I hate to pile on here but I have to share this.

Mike K. (the man behind Retro VGS) successfully kickstarted a magazine called RETRO 2 years ago. I backed years 1 and 2. However, unless things dramatically improve, I will not be backing year 3. Retro the magazine has not been what I expected. I guess I was too optimistic expecting something in the spirit of early-mid '90s GameFan/EGM, but this thing doesn't even come close. My issues with Retro however began during year 1. The magazine is supposed to come out every other month, but in the summer of 2014 they fell behind, and there was a period where they went 3 months without releasing an issue! What was even more absurd was how there was little to zero communication during those 3 months until finally we got an explanation "Sorry we fell behind with it being summer and busy season and all" kind of talk. Communication, people! Why didn't you tell your subscribers that a lot sooner?

The issues used to include the date, when it was being cranked out every other month. Ever since they fell behind, they stopped printing the date on their magazine (i.e. July 2014... as a way to obviously cover their ass and try to sweep it under the rug). To put this into perspective, it's now almost October 2015, and the next issue released (whenever that will be) will be issue NUMBER TEN. Mike K. and his team "promised" that they will catch up and have the 12th issue out by December 2015, but at this rate they are pretty much going to have to release an issue monthly to meet that goal. Uh, yeah, that's not happening. The magazine lost much of its credibility with me (and many others I'm sure) when it started heading down this slippery slope. It was bad business 101 with little explanation/communication on why it's so difficult to produce a 72 page magazine every other month.

As for the content itself, it's been a massive disappointment. I did notice it improving in issues 5-6-7 but the last two (8-9) have reverted back to very forgettable fare. Here are my main issues with the magazine:

-Lack of actual retro coverage. I was expecting lots of 8 and 16-bit retrospectives and articles. We've barely gotten any. They mostly cover modern games with a retro spirit. That's not what I signed up for.
-Terrible design. I'm not expecting GameFan, but when your magazine is 85% consisting of either white or black pages, it's just so bleh. There's hardly any "life" to the magazine. Seriously, you take 3 months to make an issue and that's the best you can do?
-Lack of re-readability. I'm not inspired by the design, articles or writing that I feel the urge to go back and re-read these issues. I still re-read my EGMs and GameFans because they were fucking badass rad, and I'm a nostalgic geek. Retro's issues are one and done for me. I just don't find a whole lot of interesting content in there.

The other thing is, if you look at the Kickstarter comments you will see a lot of people not receiving the shit they should have:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/socalmike/retro-video-game-magazine-year-two#comments

It is, frankly, embarrassing.

So while I think Mike K. is a good guy... there's been a lot of red flags popping up around him in the past year or so. At best, he's a nice guy who has terrible business acumen and sells off more than he can effectively back up. I hate to say all this, because he did give my little fansite a shout out on a Twitch broadcast and I even managed to get a plug into RETRO magazine, but at the end of the day, I feel like I have to share this. If Mike K. and his staff of 20+ "industry insiders" can't properly manage a video game magazine publication (especially after nearly 2 years... what the hell is taking so long to make a 72 page magazine???), what in God's good name could anyone expect Mike K. and TWO other "industry insiders" to effectively manage a VIDEO GAME SYSTEM? It just seems like Mike K. is racing from one disappointing project to another one. RETRO has been disappointing, but at least it exists (albeit very slowly). Retro VGS doesn't seems disappointing as much though as it does just plain "depressing." I was skeptical at best from the beginning, but once he went from system price $150 to $300 I knew whatever small chance it had at succeeding as a niche system was immediately dashed.

It only had 10 backers in the last 8 hours. Me thinks the "diehard" supporters have now died off. I'd be shocked if this thing makes it to 200,000 at this point. This could be the saddest most oddly interesting trainwreck in crowdfunding history as far as retro gaming goes. It'll be interesting to keep an eye on it over the next 45 days. 1.9 million? $300 a system? Seriously? Without a working prototype or a killer launch line-up? Of the games I saw, only Gunlord looked interesting. The others were OK at best, and I certainly feel like you could do much better on the SNES with games you already have or could go out and buy. I wish Mike K. the best but it just seems his lack of communication from the start and overpricing has killed his campaign.

Honestly, it reeks of Nightmare Busters 2.0 (i.e. long delays with terrible communication), but on a much grander scale. NB got fundeded because it was a "new" SNES game and people already own the SNES. But people had to wait forever until the game finally shipped. Beware people who can't keep their word or keep a timely schedule. I know everyone's busy but there's no excuse to take so long with a baby project. See Nightmare Busters. See RETRO Magazine. See Retro VGS.
 

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I looked at NGDEV's blurb on their porting....and they aren't even porting the Neo version...they are porting the DC versions, IE missing stuff. I find this funny since the console is centered around FPGA coding for the consoles in question.
 
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I looked at NGDEV's blurb on their porting....and they aren't even porting the Neo version...they are porting the DC versions, IE missing stuff. I find this funny since the console is centered around FPGA coding for the consoles in question.

They're clearly anticipating the RETRO VGS CD add-on. Why else would they pick the DC ports?

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back to the drawing board or forget it. retro idiots.
 

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Hey, according to their fb page we are just badmouthed idiots, who never wrote a line of code or developed successful hardware. so pssssssshhhhhhh!
 

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Hey Steve what are you up to nowadays? You post intermittently it seems

Hey Lone. Yeah I don't post often anymore. Just staying busy with life: work and whenever I have time outside of work, updating my little website (which turns 9 in January, frightening how fast time flies).

Starting a diet/workout routine today (I could stand to lose 15 pounds). I was challenged, and I answered the call, lol. Gotta sleep earlier too. I'm a fucking vampire. It's hard for me to crash before 10 PM but somehow I gotta change my sleeping habits, especially with losing weight. How the hell you been man, and what have you been up to?
 

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Hey, according to their fb page we are just badmouthed idiots, who never wrote a line of code or developed successful hardware. so pssssssshhhhhhh!

Lol it's exactly why I'm so pessimistic is because I write code, and have written code for hardware in the past. Working on paper != Working on hardware.
 

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Hey, according to their fb page we are just badmouthed idiots, who never wrote a line of code or developed successful hardware. so pssssssshhhhhhh!

Except there are several people here who have released lots of different successful hardware and software projects, bios's and entire games. Try again, kiddo.
 

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Except there are several people here who have released lots of different successful hardware and software projects, bios's and entire games. Try again, kiddo.
Delusional guys over at Retro VGS. I think they underestimate the size of the project and overestimate their abilities.
 

GohanX

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That article just reads as "old man yells at cloud" to me.
 

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I'm getting rid of my cell phone, Microsoft Office Suites, and anything else that has to connect to the Internets. I'm going VGS all the way boyeeeee!!
 
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