NeoGeo in a Nintendo "Red Tent" Project

p413j316

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Brief Summary:

I’ve wanted a Neo Geo for a long time, and have kept an eye out in the local ads for anything in my price range. Everything that came up for sale was either too expensive, or in poor shape. I’m also a Nintendo fan and I recently learned about the Nintendo VS System Table Type “Red Tent” arcade. Within a few days of discovering the Red Tent, an add was posted that offered a Red Tent that was converted into a Neo Geo. I made the purchase and that brings me to the purpose of this posting: my project to refurbish and create a Neo Geo mVS System Table Type.

Side view showing how awesome 2-player mode could be!
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Close-up view of each player's perspective
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Initial Impressions:

The arcade powers on without problems, but it is dirty and the CRTs have seen better days. I adjusted the RGB monitor pots to calibrate the displays and remove the purple cast, but there are serious problems with the CRT: screen burn-in and the red guns randomly turns off. Playing a game in two-player mode where each person gets their own screen has been fantastic, but the constant colour changes and dim screens eventually ruins the experience. The control panel is in rough shape because the joysticks are loose and sometimes unresponsive, and the modder spaced the buttons too far apart so my hand cramps up while trying to get my fingers to touch all the buttons.

Neo Geo sitting at the bottom covered in grime and dust
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Update 1 – LCD Swap:

The Red Tent uses 2 custom 18” CRT displays that are difficult to source. I’d also like to claim more interior space for other internal plans, so swapping out the CRTs for LCDs is my goal. Another point to mention is that I’m not comfortable with sticking my arms close to the CRT danger zone every time I want to swap Neo Geo games, so I would feel safer dealing with LCDs.

Part 1 – CGS8820 (GCA-to-VGA) - $36
I’m on a tight budget, so instead of buying 2 expensive LCDs that support CGA inputs, I instead bought a CGA-to-VGA converter along with 2 generic 1280x1024 LCDs. I ordered the part from Ebay and upon delivery I disconnected the arcade video cables and modded them to send the signal to the converter. I did a proof of concept and everything worked.

CGA converter and scanline generator proving their worth
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Part 2 - SLG2 (scanline generator) - $36
I personally don’t like the look of retro games on LCDs. I don’t like how they get scaled, and I don’t like all the artifacts that appear. I ordered the SLG2 to help make the display look like a CRT. To me the image appears sharper and less distorted with the SLG2. I feed the SLG2 a 640x480 signal and the result is good.

See pics below for a "On" and "Off" comparison.

Scanlines ON:
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Scanlines OFF:
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Part 3 – NEC LCD - $40
I wanted a LCD that is the proper ratio (4x3) so I looked for a 19” 1280x1024 screen. I sourced a model through a private sale and am happy with the purchase. The first problem that I noticed is a message that gets displayed every time that it is turned on and connected to the CGA-to-VGA converter: not ideal 1280 x 1024 image. I have to press the Menu button to make the message disappear. Maybe I can rig an arcade button to be the menu button? The second problem that I noticed is the lack of black/white detail. I can barely drive a car in the ice level of Neo Drift Out because its hard to distinguish between the road and the shoulder. I’ll need to invest in a higher quality LCD for screen #2.
 
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ballzdeepx

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That is pretty cool! I had no idea these even existed, but good call on the scanlines, gotta have it.
 

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The Nintendo Vs. red tent cabs are pretty sweet. I never thought of converting it to a Neo Geo or fighter cab. Good luck with fixing it up.
 

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Hehe, that cab really looks cool, will be a lot of fun once it's done. However if you can find any way to do so, you should really get some CRTs in there. The picture will be way better and you won't get any lag (the scaler you're using will add quite some). To avoid the swapping of games becoming a problem you could look into mounting the MVS mainboard diffrently or get a multislot.

Best of luck with the project, if you change the button layout I bet fighters will be a total blast on that thing!
 

cdamm

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it looks really cool.

not pissing on your idea or anything but i do see a point of concern- that straight line of wide apart buttons. that looks like it may be uncomfortable to play on. other than that that looks great!
 

p413j316

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it looks really cool.

not pissing on your idea or anything but i do see a point of concern- that straight line of wide apart buttons. that looks like it may be uncomfortable to play on. other than that that looks great!

No problem, that's the layout that came with the arcade. I plan to do it proper in the limited amount of space by installing MVS artwork and the angled button layout.
 

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Wow, that is one crazy conversion. I am sure Red Tent enthusiasts are weeping as we speak. As a neo fan and a Red Tent owner I can't wait to see how this turns out.

And you are quite right about the near impossibility of sourcing these crt's. I have known folks that have looked for a year plus just for a chassis. One could wait a lifetime for a tube without burn.

Good luck!
 

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Update #2: Disassembly

Now that I know that the LCD will work, its time to begin taking the arcade cabinet apart for cleaning and reorganizing. Upon disassembling, I found 6 arcade tokens, 3 quarters, 1 dime, and a LOT of dirt!

Dirty and mangled coin insert/reject. The Nintendo logo is barely peaking through the previous owner's handy work.
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Blurry pic (sorry) of the 1-player side striped and opened for access to the guts.
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And there is the guts! Control panel has been removed.
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A closer look at the insides, notice the Neo Geo at the bottom? The gold part beside it is not connected to anything and I think it was left over from the previous owner's Nintendo VS > Neo Geo conversion. I think that it is a coin processing mechanism.
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An even closer look at the insides.
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Control panel parts and left overs.
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Rescued from a slow and painful death!
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I was gonna say if you've got a good kevlar vest and fire retardant clothing, go post it on KLOV with the title; "Finally, a Red Tent worth owning."
 

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I am with Nerdygrrl on this one... I am anxious to see how it turns out. I also have a Neo Geo and a Red Tent, and the construction of the Red Tent is nice, but I don't blame you for going the LCD route. I am lucky and have two super light burn monitors in mine.
 

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It's funny cause I also saw the ad for this Nintendo Red Tent but I ignored it for continuing my existing restoration project (also for NES goodness I've got my Famicom and for my Neo goodness I've got a Big Red Cab).

Hopefully this project works out for you!
 

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The CPO is quite narrow. Arranging the buttons in an ergonomically comfortable fashion is going to be tough without first giving yourself more room.
 

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"The Operating Table" :lolz:

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Starting from the left:
1. Top-left > CRT: eventually I'll take the CRT to a local TV-repair shop to be assessed and possibly fixed. All parts will be put in storage and used for spare parts as I plan to buy another "Red Tent" and keep it original.

2. Bottom-left > Control Panel: I need to fill in the metal holes and then figure out how to cram an ergonomic layout given the lack of CP depth. The joystick and 4 buttons will be placed on the left 3/4 of the control panel, so I need to fill the right 1/4 with player 1 start and some creative graphic.

3. Top middle >Coin mechanisms: I found a spare part laying on the bottom of the arcade, and I think that it processes the coins once inserted. The goal is to be fully functional, so these will be refurbished to their full glory.

4. Bottom middle> 4x3 border: this is nothing more than a frame to create a seamless view of the CRT screen. I'm not sure if its still needed once the LCDs are installed, but I'll still clean them up and keep them around.

5. Top-right > Acrylic, coin return parts, and Nintendo faceplate: these parts need a good cleaning, and I have to spend some time and money to get the coin return parts functional again. Missing springs, new $0.25 labels, lightbulbs, etc. The Nintendo faceplate cleaned up nice, but the sticker residue left a slight discolouring on it. Even Goo-Gone couldn't polish it enough.

6. Bottom-right > Glass/Tinted Acrylic: the glass is in perfect shape, and the tinted acrylic just needs some cleaning products and elbow grease.
 

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The CP is a pretty basic design. I would think it wouldn't cost too much/be too much work to have blanks made at a local machine shop. Parts for these guys are hard to come by so if you are thinking about picking up a second it may be wise to keep the CP's original (that is if they are still original).

As for the CRT, there is not much you can do about the screen burn. The only option is finding a donor tube and to date I am not sure if anyone has found a suitable replacement.

The red cutting out is most likely a cold solder joint or a leaking transistor, etc. Noting a good o'l cap kit, solder reflow, etc won't fix (in theory). Dimness could be a tired tube or just a matter of a flyback/brightness adjustment. You may also want to try and have the tube rejuvenated.

Best of luck!
 

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Dude, You dabble in vector or anything, because you need some baller-ass overlays, vinyls, and game cards for that thing!
 

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Very very intersting project here. Don't burst into flames due all the funky wiring man. Good luck!
 

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Update:

The disassembly is going well, so far I haven't burst into flames just yet.

The insides with mostly everything removed:
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A close-up of the internal life-line:
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The control panel with all graphics removed. I think that I may try to patch the holes and then re-drill just what I need. Any thoughts?
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Screens: out with the old, and in with the new:
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Just a quick FYI, the power block you see at the bottom with the two plugs. Those two plugs are 100V each, not your typical 110V. If you plug a Red Tent monitor into a wall socket you will fry it. So if you plan on plugging an LCD into those plugs, it may not be enough voltage as it is not the usual wall power.

You may have to take the cable coming in and put it into a power strip to power that switching power supply and a normal power strip for the LCDs.
 

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Those two plugs are 100V each, not your typical 110V. If you plug a Red Tent monitor into a wall socket you will fry it.
WTF was Nintendo thinking when they released these cabs? "Hey, let's get us some totally freaky monitors for these things - custom size, custom voltage!"
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WTF was Nintendo thinking when they released these cabs? "Hey, let's get us some totally freaky monitors for these things - custom size, custom voltage!"
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Pretty much spot on on the size. The CRT's in these are 18 inches and I have yet to know of anyone to find a suitable replacement.

As per 100V volts, they are the norm for all Nintendo monitors and I believe the early Taito SI upright cabs as well.
 

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Also, that screen on the right doesn't look like it has bad burn in. You may be able to sell it to another Red Tent user. The ones I have seen with bad burn in are really, really bad. Almost Pac-man bad.
 
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