Bill Cosby = Awesome

LWK said:

Bill cosby is a fucking ingrate who bases all his beliefs on stereotypes. There are shitty fathers in general, and he's always targeting the black community as the sole proprietor. It wouldnt matter how many improvements the 'community' as a whole makes, he'll always be bitching.

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and blaming another race for the culture is ok?

People also need to get over "stereotypes". It's not a bad word and it doesnt make you racist in all scenarios.

There are groups of people that predominantly act a certain way. You can generalize groups. It's OK to do that.

It's better to talk about individuals, but that just doesnt make sense all the time.

Xander Crews said:

Why not go a step further, and ask if the prison systems are set up to benefit from exploiting the criminal bend of societies, rather than rehabilitation? Why are young offenders put in the same prison with older offenders? Why are prisoners who rape other prisoners not neutralized?

We have a lot of problems but no solutions are being implemented. And when a solution is given, someone will say no solutions are being given.

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I read a while ago that before NWA came out, a bunch of private business men who owned prisons in the US came together and held a meeting with a bunch of music executives. They apparently wanted to promote the use of "Gangster rap" to the mainstream. They apparently were getting paid by the US government on a per person basis, and were seeking a means to increase the load within them. After which, there was a moral spat between the executives and the business men, some stayed, some left. And then NWA came out. As well as other clones within the industry, and sent the whole music scene on a goose chase.

I dont know how credible the story is as it was released anonymously, but given how things are, I wouldnt completely down play it ether.

Also, Bill Cosby went ahead and denied he was root of this quote. I dont know if that makes it fake or whatever, since the backlash generated from it was probably pretty high.

NeoSneth said:

People also need to get over "stereotypes". It's not a bad word and it doesnt make you racist in all scenarios.

There are groups of people that predominantly act a certain way. You can generalize groups. It's OK to do that.

It's better to talk about individuals, but that just doesnt make sense all the time.

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Problem is people rarely stereotype people positively, it's usually used as an excuse to dehumanise a group of people to make it easier for the person doing the stereotyping to do the next, usually shitty, thing they do right after condoning it to themselves by summoning the stereotype in their head.

Takumaji said:

It's sooo easy to talk like Cosby if you're rich like Cosby.

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I gotta call you on this one Tak, that mindset isn't one of a "privileged black person", it was one of many blacks of the civil rights era. But the civil rights movement had to change as time and change marched on.

Why? Because in more recent times, it has been led by people who need to blame all the ills of American black people on racism and white privilege. Meaning: it's a classic conflict of interest situation- keeping the wealth and power they enjoy necessitates white racism being all pervasive- and keeping black people believing it.

Not that whites are guiltless, or that discrimination doesn't exist any longer.

The truth is that in the US, whites are now one of the least racist (overall) of the many ethnic groups that make up the country. In my experience here in Southern California, the #1 racists are latinos (by a mile!), as it exists strongly in both the native born and immigrant populations.

That being said, black people have seemed to me to be very open to everyone once trust is established (that you really aren't a racist, as it's become natural for them to think this about most everyone).

It's a fucking tragedy that the black mindset's once necessary self defense mechanisms are so hard to turn off when things actually do change as radically as they have in the past 60 years.

norton9478 said:

Besides, what is wrong with naming your kid Mohamded????

Does he know how many doctors and Physicists are named Mohamed?

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Wow, I'm impressed, that is a really heavyweight intellectual argument you have there.

On a more serious note, what up Wizkid???? Keep posting!

Does neobuyer still buy Neo?

On a more serious note. Who the fuck still uses ICQ... I do like the uh-oh sound though.

I'm pretty sure my ICQ number is in there from when I first signed up 12 years ago, which is probably the last time I used it. ICQ was awesome in the mid 90s.

Xander Crews said:

Why not go a step further, and ask if the prison systems are set up to benefit from exploiting the criminal bend of societies, rather than rehabilitation? Why are young offenders put in the same prison with older offenders? Why are prisoners who rape other prisoners not neutralized?

We have a lot of problems but no solutions are being implemented. And when a solution is given, someone will say no solutions are being given.

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...and it feels like that's the rub. For every measure that may be implemented or proposed, the shortcomings are glaringly obvious (especially something like the current prison system and how it deals with non-violent/minor offenses).

So given that the whole thing seems like a perpetual cycle with no end, is it worth trying to cling to a belief in finding an ideal solution or is it more realistic to go this route:

neobuyer said:

In my experience here in Southern California, the #1 racists are latinos (by a mile!), as it exists strongly in both the native born and immigrant populations.

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I second this. I've heard more Latinos use then N-word toward black people than anyone else. Including black people.

neobuyer said:

I gotta call you on this one Tak, that mindset isn't one of a "privileged black person", it was one of many blacks of the civil rights era. But the civil rights movement had to change as time and change marched on.

Why? Because in more recent times, it has been led by people who need to blame all the ills of American black people on racism and white privilege. Meaning: it's a classic conflict of interest situation- keeping the wealth and power they enjoy necessitates white racism being all pervasive- and keeping black people believing it.

Not that whites are guiltless, or that discrimination doesn't exist any longer.

The truth is that in the US, whites are now one of the least racist (overall) of the many ethnic groups that make up the country. In my experience here in Southern California, the #1 racists are latinos (by a mile!), as it exists strongly in both the native born and immigrant populations.

That being said, black people have seemed to me to be very open to everyone once trust is established (that you really aren't a racist, as it's become natural for them to think this about most everyone).

It's a fucking tragedy that the black mindset's once necessary self defense mechanisms are so hard to turn off when things actually do change as radically as they have in the past 60 years.

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you are the wisest Los Angelite.

neobuyer said:

I gotta call you on this one Tak, that mindset isn't one of a "privileged black person", it was one of many blacks of the civil rights era. But the civil rights movement had to change as time and change marched on.

Why? Because in more recent times, it has been led by people who need to blame all the ills of American black people on racism and white privilege. Meaning: it's a classic conflict of interest situation- keeping the wealth and power they enjoy necessitates white racism being all pervasive- and keeping black people believing it.

Not that whites are guiltless, or that discrimination doesn't exist any longer.

The truth is that in the US, whites are now one of the least racist (overall) of the many ethnic groups that make up the country. In my experience here in Southern California, the #1 racists are latinos (by a mile!), as it exists strongly in both the native born and immigrant populations.

That being said, black people have seemed to me to be very open to everyone once trust is established (that you really aren't a racist, as it's become natural for them to think this about most everyone).

It's a fucking tragedy that the black mindset's once necessary self defense mechanisms are so hard to turn off when things actually do change as radically as they have in the past 60 years.

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Long time no see, man.

Actually I didn't want to return to this thread because I feel that I'm not qualified to comment on these things, I'm not an American and must admit that I don't now a lot about Cosby's life. All I know is that things have changed from the days Cosby was young to today. He may have been the second MLK but that doesn't change the fact that he inevitably sees things from another angle. You'll lose clear sight if you gain fame and money. It seems to me that the thugs with their silly trousers who can't read for shit and their parents are not the only ones who are unable to change.

wizkid007 said:

A man is a philosopher of genius only when he succeeds in transmuting the primitive and wholly natural vision into an abstract idea belonging to the common stock of consciousness.

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Aww, thanks Wizkid. I'll put that into my profile, ha.

wizkid007 said:

I read a while ago that before NWA came out, a bunch of private business men who owned prisons in the US came together and held a meeting with a bunch of music executives. They apparently wanted to promote the use of "Gangster rap" to the mainstream. They apparently were getting paid by the US government on a per person basis, and were seeking a means to increase the load within them. After which, there was a moral spat between the executives and the business men, some stayed, some left. And then NWA came out. As well as other clones within the industry, and sent the whole music scene on a goose chase.

I dont know how credible the story is as it was released anonymously, but given how things are, I wouldnt completely down play it ether.

Also, Bill Cosby went ahead and denied he was root of this quote. I dont know if that makes it fake or whatever, since the backlash generated from it was probably pretty high.

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I've read the same story. I can't say that's exactly how it went down, but I can confirm the music industry definitely pushed "gangsta rap" ahead of hip hop, when hip hop was acting as an empowering force for the inner cities and black community. I think at one point major music channels had banned artists like tribe called quest and many others that produced "conscious" hip hop.

I think it's going a bit far to say the for-profit prision industry and the music industry made that kind of deal, but at the same time, it really wouldn't surprise me.

This thread needs some Booker T.........





..........Washington!



“I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him.”

“I shall never permit myself to stoop so low as to hate any man. ”

“I have begun everything with the idea that I could succeed, and I never had much patience with the multitudes of people who are always ready to explain why one cannot succeed.”

“I have learned that success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome while trying to succeed.”

“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”

“Success always leaves footprints.”

“Character, not circumstance, makes the person.”

“The world cares little about what a man knows;it cares more about what a man is able to do.”

“The happiest people are those who do the most for others. The most miserable are those who do the least.”

“If you want to lift yourself up, lift up someone else.”

68k said:

Does neobuyer still buy Neo?

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For my AES? Not at the moment, but in the next couple of years I'll have Kenny trick it out for me, and I'll pick up some carts I sold years ago. But I buy KOF XIII (Xbox disc), and the Metal Slug games on wii marketplace and XBL, so technically I'm still a neo buyer.

Takumaji said:

Long time no see, man.
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Heya Tak!

Don't get me wrong, Cosby is an out of touch rich man, I won't argue with that. The problem he has is that he just comes out and sort of publically slaps black people in the face with his views. The things he says are pretty much true, but the way he says them (when combined with our current hypnotized, us-vs-them, group mentality media culture) is all wrong- IF he expects his message to be listened to and to produce results.

I know American black culture well (not so much the music, etc.) and I also know black 'in jail' culture, so I believe I have a solid base from which I write about this subject. Whenever I make good friends with a person from an interesting/different culture to my own, I ask lots of questions and I listen. My black friends are/have been from all over the spectrum- from what some would call whitewashed uncle toms, to dark chocolate active Crips- from black s&m leather gay black guy dating older, rich white guy to homeless black guy in LA county jail who've been truly fucked over by the cops and the system.

I will add that the cops here in LA aren't necessarily 'racist' per se, but most are (or are close to) criminal motherfuckers. This includes a fair number of SoCal's functioning psychotics and sociopaths. The abuses the cops and the prison system perpetrate as standard procedure, and the crimes they commit off duty, are pretty much invisible to the general public here.

When he's right, he's right.

Oh cool, a bunch of white people explaining how black society works.

neobuyer said:

I gotta call you on this one Tak, that mindset isn't one of a "privileged black person", it was one of many blacks of the civil rights era. But the civil rights movement had to change as time and change marched on.

Why? Because in more recent times, it has been led by people who need to blame all the ills of American black people on racism and white privilege. Meaning: it's a classic conflict of interest situation- keeping the wealth and power they enjoy necessitates white racism being all pervasive- and keeping black people believing it.

Not that whites are guiltless, or that discrimination doesn't exist any longer.

The truth is that in the US, whites are now one of the least racist (overall) of the many ethnic groups that make up the country. In my experience here in Southern California, the #1 racists are latinos (by a mile!), as it exists strongly in both the native born and immigrant populations.

That being said, black people have seemed to me to be very open to everyone once trust is established (that you really aren't a racist, as it's become natural for them to think this about most everyone).

It's a fucking tragedy that the black mindset's once necessary self defense mechanisms are so hard to turn off when things actually do change as radically as they have in the past 60 years.

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what? Any research I have read recently is pretty clear that white oppression is still the most abundant form experienced by minorities. What you may not see is blatant racism and prejudice, but rather more subtle racism done by people who claim they are "color blind" or any other similar idiotic term. Implicit racism is insanely rampant, and causes those kind of knee jerk defensive stances from minorities. Also to downplay their experiences is a form of racism on its own.

Also, even if Latino's are expressing racist ideology towards African-Americans it is somewhat irrelevant since they hold a next to nil amount of power and control in this country.

Any white heterosexual male is still on the top of the totem pole by a huge margin.

Takumaji said:

It's sooo easy to talk like Cosby if you're rich like Cosby.

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And hang out at the Playboy mansion 24/7 during his heyday

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Thomas Sowell and Walter E Williams have both written extensively on similar subjects to this one (and Williams even grew up in the same neighborhood at the same time as Cosby).

http://www.lewrockwell.com/author/thomas-sowell/
http://www.lewrockwell.com/author/walter-e-williams/

I'm a fan of both men's work.

OrochiEddie said:

Oh cool, a bunch of white people explaining how black society works.



what? Any research I have read recently is pretty clear that white oppression is still the most abundant form experienced by minorities. What you may not see is blatant racism and prejudice, but rather more subtle racism done by people who claim they are "color blind" or any other similar idiotic term. Implicit racism is insanely rampant, and causes those kind of knee jerk defensive stances from minorities. Also to downplay their experiences is a form of racism on its own.

Also, even if Latino's are expressing racist ideology towards African-Americans it is somewhat irrelevant since they hold a next to nil amount of power and control in this country.

Any white heterosexual male is still on the top of the totem pole by a huge margin.

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Well, I'm sorry to say that the 'research' you've been pouring over is, how you say ...so much slanted crap.

The real truth is much, much more complex than that. It's not racism that keeps 'the money' in the hands of some privileged white people, it's the 'human instinct' factor that is now at play here. Allow me to elucidate you on this:

Broken down, all human beings of all colors and race types are fundamentally equal/the same (Homo sapiens sapiens). There is no significant racial/genetic/inborn hierarchy to this. We were all the same pre-human animal not toooo long ago. It hasn't been long enough, in terms of natural selection, for one group to become 'racially superior'.

Now- as we all are human animals, essentially, INSTINCT rules us much more than almost anyone realizes. And human instinct is to claw your way to the top and stay there as long as you can, dominating the rest if possible. This is pretty much the nature of life on Earth- and the true 'face' of mother nature.

Any group of people who are 'moneyed' or part of some privileged elite are not giving it up. That's just the way people are put together. A good, non-white-ruling-elite example of this at play here in the US is the LAUSD school board and/or tenured college professors. There is this bullshit mentality that exists in these places, it's some of the most offensive and pathetic human nonsense that I have around me. unremarkable, often untalented (in the case of the LAUSD), lazy people starting out on a career path of entitlement that turns them into some of the most out-of-touch-with-reality people on the planet. (Sorry about all those hyphens.)

Fucking assholes who I long to intellectually manhandle and dominate in person one day.

I knew Cosby would be talking that same irrational, generalizing and bitter shit about black people. It has consumed for like the last 20 years.

He hates black people so much but only focuses on the worst of us. That's not helping. Every race has shitty/stupid people.

Every fucking race.