Daft Punk: Random Access Memories - A Brilliant Experiment Gone Awry

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I liked get lucky, haven't had a chance to listen to the album but if they're like that then I'm looking forward to hearing it. Oh and it's just daft punk.
 

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Ummm I wasn't referring to Paul Williams vocals aside from the vocoder effect, but rather the music.

And for someone who calls "pretentious" your last sentence kind of contradicts yourself.

You've left me a bit perplexed. In one breath you go on at length about the subtleties of the song. How you enjoy every little detail. From the small audio effects, to the music references, to the vocals, to the digital breakdown, you seem to appreciate every little detail about it. Never once in your original post to you air any grievances nor make and exception for Paul Williams.

Now you try to sweep Paul William's vocals under the rug in a nonchalant matter. So the song is full of these deep and intricate subtleties, but please ignore the croaking man taking a dying dump all over the track. Sorry friend, you can't tell me to enjoy the subtleties then ignore one of the main components of the song. That's like asking me to enjoy a milkshake but ignore the spoiled milk. You can't piece meal it simply out of convenience. Sure I can appreciate the few good snippets about the song. That being said, it doesn't change the bad parts of it.

How it's "headphone music" (I'm not sure why you use this term as good music is good music regardless of how you listen to it, but whatevs) is beyond me.

And nice misdirection on the pretentious comment. Trying to point the finger my way? You sly dog you.
 

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Daft Punk made some great tracks but I'm not a true fan overall.

This captures my sentiment as well. I really enjoyed Homework back when it arrived, but since then I'll find one or two songs per CD that I really like.

I'm so glad iTunes led the charge to break-up the ridiculous album model of buying music (I still prefer to buy the music I want).
 

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I'm so glad iTunes led the charge to break-up the ridiculous album model of buying music (I still prefer to buy the music I want).

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You've left me a bit perplexed. In one breath you go on at length about the subtleties of the song. How you enjoy every little detail. From the small audio effects, to the music references, to the vocals, to the digital breakdown, you seem to appreciate every little detail about it. Never once in your original post to you air any grievances nor make and exception for Paul Williams.

Now you try to sweep Paul William's vocals under the rug in a nonchalant matter. So the song is full of these deep and intricate subtleties, but please ignore the croaking man taking a dying dump all over the track. Sorry friend, you can't tell me to enjoy the subtleties then ignore one of the main components of the song. That's like asking me to enjoy a milkshake but ignore the spoiled milk. You can't piece meal it simply out of convenience. Sure I can appreciate the few good snippets about the song. That being said, it doesn't change the bad parts of it.

How it's "headphone music" (I'm not sure why you use this term as good music is good music regardless of how you listen to it, but whatevs) is beyond me.

And nice misdirection on the pretentious comment. Trying to point the finger my way? You sly dog you.

It's not misdirection, it is point out your own hypocrisy, and your general tendency to get condescending quite quickly when people disagree with you, it's pretty common in your posts.

If I need to be clear, I have no problem with Paul's vocals, they are by no means the greatest pipes in the world, but the emotion he conveys is well received by me, the listener. The simple lines of "touch, sweet touch" express a longing desire much more than any howly Adelle ballad. Croaky? Taking a dying dump? I don't hear any of that. I don't even notice an issue, and surrounding his voice is a great soundscape. Reminds of some Tangerine Dream style ambiences, which in electronic should be more common, but sadly isn't and is often replaced with clean sterile sounding kicks and snaps.

It's headphone music because of its subtleties, and by that I mean it's a great album to put on some great headphones and absorb. There are many albums like that, that really ask the listener to sit and focus exclusively on the music in order to truly appreciate the nuances and minor details. Some albums don't need that attention, they can be appreciated and enjoyed in the background of a party, while reading, or blasting through a pair of bad car speakers. I listened to RAM 3 times or so on my ride home from Indianapolis last weekend and I know I would have missed so much of it if I hadn't listened with headphones. That's my personal style. I thought Lark's Tongue in Aspic was a bullshit album the first time I listened to it, because I had it in the background while driving home one day. When I actually sat with it I realized how I missed and how it is easily one of King Crimson's best albums. Did you catch how amazing some of the drum parts were? The fantastic plays on the high-hat and snare. Stuff like that.

If there is an easy criticism of this album it is that perhaps it is overly indulgent, that at 70 minutes there is just too much, and maybe they should have shaved some parts down. Considering, however, in this day and age where much mainstream and independent music is celebrated for its simplicity, lo-fi, or half-assed production I am glad that there are still acts that will over indulge in their music and throw everything and the kitchen sink in. Daft Punk had to know that songs like Motherboard (I think the highlight of the album) or Giorgio by Morodor would never be on the radio or hit singles, but they made them anyway, and how they felt they should be done. I'm so glad they did. I think it worked brilliantly.
 

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It's not misdirection, it is point out your own hypocrisy, and your general tendency to get condescending quite quickly when people disagree with you, it's pretty common in your posts.

If I need to be clear, I have no problem with Paul's vocals, they are by no means the greatest pipes in the world, but the emotion he conveys is well received by me, the listener. The simple lines of "touch, sweet touch" express a longing desire much more than any howly Adelle ballad. Croaky? Taking a dying dump? I don't hear any of that. I don't even notice an issue, and surrounding his voice is a great soundscape. Reminds of some Tangerine Dream style ambiences, which in electronic should be more common, but sadly isn't and is often replaced with clean sterile sounding kicks and snaps.

It's headphone music because of its subtleties, and by that I mean it's a great album to put on some great headphones and absorb. There are many albums like that, that really ask the listener to sit and focus exclusively on the music in order to truly appreciate the nuances and minor details. Some albums don't need that attention, they can be appreciated and enjoyed in the background of a party, while reading, or blasting through a pair of bad car speakers. I listened to RAM 3 times or so on my ride home from Indianapolis last weekend and I know I would have missed so much of it if I hadn't listened with headphones. That's my personal style. I thought Lark's Tongue in Aspic was a bullshit album the first time I listened to it, because I had it in the background while driving home one day. When I actually sat with it I realized how I missed and how it is easily one of King Crimson's best albums. Did you catch how amazing some of the drum parts were? The fantastic plays on the high-hat and snare. Stuff like that.

If there is an easy criticism of this album it is that perhaps it is overly indulgent, that at 70 minutes there is just too much, and maybe they should have shaved some parts down. Considering, however, in this day and age where much mainstream and independent music is celebrated for its simplicity, lo-fi, or half-assed production I am glad that there are still acts that will over indulge in their music and throw everything and the kitchen sink in. Daft Punk had to know that songs like Motherboard (I think the highlight of the album) or Giorgio by Morodor would never be on the radio or hit singles, but they made them anyway, and how they felt they should be done. I'm so glad they did. I think it worked brilliantly.

Well then let me apologize for my tone. My expressions on NG.com are much more, shall we say, "vibrant" than on say Facebook or many other forums. So I may come off condescending by proxy.

I will agree Paul's voice does have a certain frail quality which conveys his longing for touch. With that said I didn't feel the tonal quality of his voice was a good match for the song. It wasn't his delivery so much as the timbre of his voice. I found the soundscape acceptable, but not enrapturing nor endearing.

I understand your point about headphone music. I don't usually have headphones on because I have a decently nice hi-fi system at home and can enjoy music without the need of headphones. Though I do have a good pair of studio reference Sennheiser headphones I'll plug in from time to time if I really want to get lost in it.

And I did enjoy the drum parts. "Contact" was very well done from that perspective. Though as I mentioned before, it was a nicety rather than an all consuming experience which pulled me in beyond the superficial. I didn't once get those goosebumps, the chills, or the twinge of joy you feel behind your eyes as if you're going to cry when a certain wondrous musical phrase hits you.

As I mentioned in my review, this album did feel genuine. This is the album Daft Punk wanted to make and they stayed true to that vision throughout the entire record. I am not a fan of Giorgio by Moroder. I found it to be an interesting tidbit of info, but I could take it or leave it. Even so they created that track for them. Not for radio, iTunes, or the dance club. And for that I respect them. I may find it dull, but I can still respect their craft.

So as much as I may find the album wanting, I still respect Daft Punk as artists just as much if not more. This is an oddity of an album in which I didn't enjoy it yet I look forward to future works by the duo. If they can be this true to themselves making music I don't especially enjoy, maybe the next time they'll put out something which resonates with me. I'll be looking forward to that.
 

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This captures my sentiment as well. I really enjoyed Homework back when it arrived, but since then I'll find one or two songs per CD that I really like.

I'm so glad iTunes led the charge to break-up the ridiculous album model of buying music (I still prefer to buy the music I want).

Daft Punk is a mixed bag for me, there's a lot of stuff in their music that I find attractive and appalling at the same time. Take Around The World for example, for some people it was new and exciting when it came out in the late 90s, it transported a bit of club feeling into pop discos and made the peach ice tea drinkers dance their little asses off... which is okay, I mean, who am I to tell them that this sort of stuff had been done more than a decade before already... ...just not with the oomph and high-end production quality of the Daft guys. This always was their main weapon - clever combinations of groove and melody, plus high-res vocoding and a dash of avantgarde, condensed to tracks that initially had the potential to close the gap between underground and pop.

Then progress stopped and things became stereotypical to some extend. I mean, signature sounds and arrangements are great and all but there's only a small step from high recognition value to copying yourself.

Still, there always was and prolly still is tremendous artistic potential in those guys, they just have to free themselves from the narrow-minded part of their audience and the Stairway To Heaven syndrome.

About downloading single tracks vs. complete albums, that's something I decide on a case-by-case basis. I usually buy complete albums but don't mind buying single songs, comes in handy when I need specific tracks for a gig or party.
 

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Goddamn stoners ruining everything.
 

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Wow, RAM has beaten Die Drei ??? in Germany. Congrats, guys.
 

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album is great

spent the morning just laying in bed and listening to it a few times over with my good headphones (Eddie is right; i listened to it in my Jeep when i was out and it definitely lost a lot of its impact) and found myself leaving my bed in a very positive mood

i'd still rank Discovery as their best album, but there isn't a single song on this new release that i did not enjoy

Give Life Back to Music and Instant Crush are the two standout tracks

Get Lucky has grown on me but i still say the MJ edited version is a hundred times better
 

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I seriously figured there would be more Motherboard love here. The song sounds like it was pulled from an early sci-fi computer adventure games.
 

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About downloading single tracks vs. complete albums, that's something I decide on a case-by-case basis. I usually buy complete albums but don't mind buying single songs, comes in handy when I need specific tracks for a gig or party.

Fuck me, I hate the whole concept of just picking and choosing the songs you like and skipping a whole album. That pisses me off since the song is cherry picked out of its context. Then again, if its pop music it is a bit of a different story, but you don't just grab a single from the new Tera Melos album and ignore the rest. It's part of why I love vinyl, you listen to the whole album, which I think is a must.
 

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Fuck me, I hate the whole concept of just picking and choosing the songs you like and skipping a whole album. That pisses me off since the song is cherry picked out of its context. Then again, if its pop music it is a bit of a different story, but you don't just grab a single from the new Tera Melos album and ignore the rest. It's part of why I love vinyl, you listen to the whole album, which I think is a must.

Yeah, but when a friend of mine invites me for some DJing at his party and tells me that his guests want to dance to Gangam Style by Psy or other nonsense songs, I'm not going to buy the whole album/single just because of a bunch of youngsters with bad taste. :)
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXQCZ5i7U8Q

they probably wear the masks so they can be out and about? either that or they are scared of putting 'positive' music out when most of the popular acts are doing things that are influenced and then claiming they had no choice_like Ke$ha complaining about die young? and are worried about that or something... haven't got this yet, did just give a listen to alive 1997. will probably like the reworked tron one and end up with that.
 

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Cannot even put into words how much I hate that new 'Get lucky' tune... Annoyingly catchy and filled with all the elements of pop music I hate (although I spose it dose have the one thing going for it, it doesn't sound like skrillex). Unfortunately it's getting major airplay at the moment and since I work on a building site, I end up having it inflicted on me at least two or three times a day. The last good thing daft punk did was da funk, cause of that over driven 303 riff. Really haven't liked anything since.
 

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Time to eat a bit of crow. Finally had time to sit down and listen to the whole album.

I still hate the track with Pharell and resent that it was the debut track. It's just not good. Mopping up sweat with BBC shirts does nothing for me. No matter how high his voice goes. Really surprised they had him as a collab.

Aside from that it's a solid album, though the tracks could be ordered much better.

I can see what they were going for and mostly it works. But I think they are a year late to the party. There are a hundred people on bandcamp doing the same thing only better and I can pay them directly for their ingenuity.

The main thing is while solid there's a certain electro punch edge, missing Considering their recording techniques it should be there. That inherent soul/bass is lacking.

Though they are French...
 

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French filter house, nothing more, nothing less.

It has been done better before:

 

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Here's an interesting experiment — someone reimagined what Get Lucky would sound like in previous decades, beginning from the 1920's and concluding in 2020:

 
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