London attack today - potentially terrorist

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is it an act of terror? that sounds like terrorism.

why are people get hung up on classifying the crime?

Is it a tragedy or a travesty? Murder or Terrorism? Terrible or Bad?
 
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David Cameron stated today that islam is not about violence, which is true, its just a pity a percentage of muslims dont know this.
 
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NeoSneth said:
is it an act of terror? that sounds like terrorism.

why are people get hung up on classifying the crime?

Is it a tragedy or a travesty? Murder or Terrorism? Terrible or Bad?
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I guess the classification of the crime matters so they can judge the response to it. If it's a lone murderer then you throw him inside, problem solved. If it's a genuine terrorist attack then you're thinking how many more of these could there be, is this the start of a new spate of similar attacks etc etc
 
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Every video on the net has been censored and edited ... damn!

Only liveleak has a full uncensored version of this but still it's not the original video.

Did anyone save the original video?
 
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NeoSneth said:
is it an act of terror? that sounds like terrorism.

why are people get hung up on classifying the crime?

Is it a tragedy or a travesty? Murder or Terrorism? Terrible or Bad?
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For me it matters because people are too quick to toss around the "terrorist" label.

The difference also plays to intent. What was the intent of the crime.

Is it terrorism if shoot a cop?

I just don't see how redefining any criminal who has attacked the state or agents of the state can lead to a good end.

Were the Black Panthers terrorists?
 
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Lagduf said:
For me it matters because people are too quick to toss around the "terrorist" label.

The difference also plays to intent. What was the intent of the crime.

Is it terrorism if shoot a cop?

I just don't see how redefining any criminal who has attacked the state or agents of the state can lead to a good end.

Were the Black Panthers terrorists?
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I believe that the crime should be punished based on the damage done, not on whether or not a criminal fits into a certain category.

In this case, the intent seems to be to cause terror among the UK population, with the perpetrator having roots in Islamic fundamentalist terrorism, and justifying murder by a citing a broad underlying prejudice against Muslims. This wasn't obvious from the beginning, and yes some people of course jumped the gun. Personally, I don't really give a fuck whether this shitbag worships Allah's glistening asshole or Pee-Wee Herman's greasy big toe - fry the piece of shit and let's call it a day.
 
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a COBRA meeting was called in reaction to the attack.

Think about that as long as you need, and get back to me.
 
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this doesn´t makes much sense.
the news speak of a person decapitated but the woman and others near the body don´t seem to be reacting to such a view.
they kill someone and wait for the police?the police arrives and shoots them?
wtf?
 
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If that's a terrorist, he's not being very effective. The onlookers are anything but terrified.
 
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Terrorism has a legally ambiguous definition, but the commonly accepted definition is to cause terror by attacking civilians. Attacks against members of the government and the military are usually labelled by the media to be terrorism, but I don't agree with that.
 
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Lagduf said:
Do they even have the death penalty in the UK? Either way the dude has no place in our society.
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no, but i'm sure this guy will get time out and a very firm talking to

fucking twats
 
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I thought they shot and killed them already?
meh.
 
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The news media is retarded.

In particular the news organisation ITN, who were showing the uncensored video constantly (until it was subsequently mosaiced and edited).

The news channels collectively ensured that the murderous cunts got their 15 minutes and 'glorified' them for any similarly inclined dickheads.

Yes it was a tragedy, but it didn't warrant the soap opera coverage (News should not be entertainment), or a flipping COBR meeting.
 
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bloodhokuto said:
The news media is retarded.

In particular the news organisation ITN, who were showing the uncensored video constantly (until it was subsequently mosaiced and edited).

The news channels collectively ensured that the murderous cunts got their 15 minutes and 'glorified' them for any similarly inclined dickheads.

Yes it was a tragedy, but it didn't warrant the soap opera coverage (News should not be entertainment), or a flipping COBR meeting.
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It got the coverage it did almost entirely because it was filmed and therefore easy work for the media to report on.
 
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Just heard this on the BBC World News — evidently, Adebolajo, one of the Woolwich attackers, had been detained by security forces in Kenya, where he was physically and sexually abused. Furthermore, upon his return 6 months ago to Britain, MI5 had attempted to recruit the Woolwich attacker repeatedly.

The plot thickens…

BBC News said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22664468
Woolwich attack: MI5 'offered job to suspect'

MI5 asked Woolwich murder suspect Michael Adebolajo if he wanted to work for them about six months before the killing, a childhood friend has said.

Abu Nusaybah told BBC Newsnight his friend - one of two men arrested after Drummer Lee Rigby's murder in south-east London on Wednesday - had rejected the approach from the security service.

The BBC could not obtain any confirmation from Whitehall sources.

Abu Nusaybah was arrested at the BBC after giving the interview.

The Met Police said a 31-year-old man had been arrested at 21:30 BST on Friday in relation to suspected terrorism offences and search warrants were being executed at two homes in east London.

The arrest was not directly related to the murder of Drummer Rigby, it said.

'Bugging me'
In his Newsnight interview, Abu Nusaybah said he thought "a change" had taken place in his friend after his detention by security forces on a trip to Kenya last year.

Abu Nusaybah said Mr Adebolajo suggested he had been physically and sexually abused during an interrogation in a prison cell in the African country.

After this, he became withdrawn "and less talkative - he wasn't his bubbly self", Abu Nusaybah added.

He said Mr Adebolajo also told him that, upon his return, he was "followed up by MI5" who were "knocking on his door".

He was "basically being harassed", Abu Nusaybah said.

He added: "His wording was, 'They are bugging me - they won't leave me alone.'


Michael Adebolajo was filmed after the attack
"He mentioned initially they wanted to ask him if he knew certain individuals.

"But after him saying that he didn't know these individuals, what he said was they asked him if he would be interested in working for them.

"He was explicit in that he refused to work for them but he did confirm he didn't know the individuals."

Newsnight reporter Richard Watson said that, in general terms, it was not out of the ordinary for the security service to approach people for information or even to act as covert sources.

Mr Adebolajo, 28, originally from Romford, east London, and fellow suspect Michael Adebowale, 22, of Greenwich, south-east London, had been known to MI5 for eight years, Whitehall sources told the BBC on Thursday.

'Devoted father'
Drummer Rigby, 25, was killed in front of dozens of people near Woolwich Barracks, where he was based, on Wednesday afternoon.

Shortly after the killing, Mr Adebolajo was filmed by a passer-by saying he had carried out the attack because British soldiers killed Muslims every day.


Drummer Lee Rigby's family paid tribute to him in an emotional news conference
Armed police arrived on the scene and shot and wounded two suspects, who had made no attempt to flee.

Mr Adebolajo and Mr Adebowale remain in hospital.

Two women, aged 29 and 31, arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to murder, have been released without charge, but a man, 29, remains in custody.

On Friday, Drummer Rigby's wife Rebecca, the mother of his two-year-old son, said she had been aware of the dangers of her husband serving in countries where there was armed conflict, including Afghanistan, but added: "You don't expect it to happen when he's in the UK. You think they're safe."

She said: "I love Lee and always will. I am proud to be his wife. He was a devoted father to our son Jack and we will both miss him terribly."

Drummer Rigby's stepfather, Ian Rigby, said: "We would like to say 'Goodnight Lee, rest in peace our fallen soldier. We love you loads and words cannot describe how loved and sadly missed you will be'."

Mr Rigby added that his stepson "adored and cared a lot for his family, he was very much a family man, looking out for his wife, young son Jack, younger sisters, whom in turn they looked up to him".
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Armed police always shoot to kill, since it is too risky to try and incapacitate a suspect. Trying to shoot someone in the arm/leg is much harder than aiming for their chest and the potential for 'collateral damage' i.e hitting an innocent civilian, etc. much higher. That comes from a relative of my brother in law, who actually is a police marksman.
 
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