Firearm enthusiast thread

Yes Hellion, you are correct.

In California all handguns sold by FFL's to the general public must be on the California "Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale." To be on this roster the handguns must meet certain requirements, which include certain testing (drop tests), having certain features such as a loaded chamber indicator and a magazine disconnect safety. One of the requirements now is that all handguns be equipped with "microstamping" technology. For the privelege of being on the roster the manufacturer of the particular handgun must pay a fee to the state.

Now, guns available for sale prior to the roster are exempted from the roster requirements so long as the manufacturer pays the appropriate fee to the relevant bureaucratic agency in CA (Probably the CA DOJ.)

So while Glock Gen 3's are exempt from the roster, Glock Gen 4 are not because they're considered to be a different firearm Gen 3's and must meet the new requirements. Obviously Glock is not going to add all the CA required safety features and thus Glock Gen 4s are not available to the general public. Another "new" gun not available to us is the Ruger SR1911.

So, now Microstamping is a new requirement. All guns already on the roster are exempt from this requirement. But all NEW handguns, or handguns manufacturers want to add to the roster are required to be microstamped.

The thing is that even getting a gun certified is expensive, and California arbitrarily says that the same firearm with different cosmetic finishes or other options changeable by the end user are in fact different models, and this different guns that require their own certification. So basically if a gun has a number of different SKU's based on barrel length, finish etc then each individual product has to be registered.

We really have shit where a gun in one finish is legal for sale by an FFL to me and the same gun in a different finish with say an Ambi-Mag release, is not legal for an FFL to sell to me.

Here is my favorite part though: LAW ENFORCEMENT IS EXEMPT and can buy non-rostered guns from FFL's

That said there are ways around the roster and many FFL's (the ones worth a damn) actively seek to get "non-rostered" guns in to their customers' hands. They generally only get very popular guns in to the state such as Glocks, XD's, 1911s, etc. Usually each shop will post what non-rostered guns they can get to you.

I've heard of the DoJ inspecting FFL's and the inspectors just have to grit their teeth and STFU because the FFL's are following the law to the letter.

We're pretty good at finding loopholes here in CA, though it's absurd we should even have to.

You can also build your own handgun. I really want an AK pistol. Might have to see about getting some flat bending equipment soon. Only set me back about $300.

And, just so we're all clear, yes:

The Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale is really just an attack on the second amendment and a way to slowly and steadily ban the sale of new handguns in the state of California.

I have no idea why the law is still in place, there are lawsuits pending but justice is slowed and deliberately delayed (and thus our rights denied).

I mean how absurd would the Roster of Books Certified for Sale be?

NeoTheranthrope said:

Yay... Yet another reason for Cali residents to make the daytrip to buy up all the guns and ammo in Nevada.

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We can't buy firearms in NV.

Ammo sure.

MAC goes to Israel and checks out a gun store

http://www.thebangswitch.com/?p=221

And I'm not really surprised by Israeli gun laws in the least.

The micro Tavor and mini Uzi are sweet.

Is there such a thing as a "compact" Single Action Army clone? At a minimum I'm wondering if there was ever a copy of the SAA with a 3" barrel. Surely someone has had one custom made with a shorter barrel. I know 4.75" seems to be the smallest length commercially made. On these revolvers would it also be possible to shorten the grip somewhat (perhaps by .5" to 1") - I know that would invariably necessitate a reworking of the internals in the frame (and a different frame as well.) Not that SAA grips are overly large in the first place.

I've been reading about concealable guns and the idea of a compact, concealable SAA clone amuses me. I'm just wondering if such a thing has ever been made. Might be a neat backup gun.

Found what I was looking for.

That's pretty slick right there. "Bird's Head" grip with a 3.5" barrel. I like that a lot.

Uberti has some really slick reproductions of the early US Army/Navy percussion revolvers which got converted to Cartridge fed guns. Pretty neat.

Lagduf said:

Found what I was looking for.

That's pretty slick right there. "Bird's Head" grip with a 3.5" barrel. I like that a lot.

Uberti has some really slick reproductions of the early US Army/Navy percussion revolvers which got converted to Cartridge fed guns. Pretty neat.

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nice, they make some beautiful firearms

Well, I finally did it.
Bought myself an RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme master reloading kit.
Grabbed a set of .38 Special dies & components to get me started.
Been spending the day reading, re-reading, & watching videos. Haven't even set it up on the bench yet.
Been wanting to do this for a few years now, Kind of excited.
Best part is RCBS is offering a rebate right now, $50 or 500 free bullets.
Free bullets please.

Duf my shooting buddy at work has a room mate who carries a SAA, its both hilarious and awesome ar the same time. He's obsessed with wild bill so I've been pushing him hard to carry it in a sash

Kiel said:

Duf my shooting buddy at work has a room mate who carries a SAA, its both hilarious and awesome ar the same time. He's obsessed with wild bill so I've been pushing him hard to carry it in a sash

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That's badass.

Sup Bros, you guys bad enough to rifle your own barrels?

Well this guy does and he made the damn setup to rifle his barrels too.



Check out the album, it's pretty cool.

Mmmmm Death Wish.

Chuck Bronson had superb taste.

Lifesizepotato must be Scrooge McDuck rich

Seriously. He has that Korth revolver which he paid somewhere between $3.5-4K for.

Fuck, he has a korth now too?! I stopped watching his updates cause it made me depressed that he was getting all the cool shit I want

Yeah son, it's ballin.

Just wanted to point out that five years ago this month we got the Heller decision, followed by McDonald two years later.

What good has Heller/McDonald done? Well besides asserting that the right to bear arms is an individual right that....soon the average person in Illinois will be able to CCW and there will no longer be a defacto ban on (most) firearms in Chicago. Holy shit right there.

Just remember that gun control as a serious party platform began in the 1960s and culminated with the Gun Control Act of 1968. From there we had incremental infringements of the Second Amendment up until the 1994 AWB. It's going to take a long time to roll back all the bullshit.

Hope we have another five good years.

Lagduf said:

Yeah son, it's ballin.

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Well shit, now I have to go look just to see what model it is. I hope its not the one I want and is one of the not so cool ones...CAUSE IF I CANT HAVE IT I DON'T WANT ANYBODY ELSE TO!

Edit: we all good, not one of the super amazing models

I just stopped looking at high dollar guns. No reason to lust over what I can't have.

I have some more reasonable purchases in mind.

yeah, good idea. I just got back from checking out a bunch of videos from a dude, in canada, with a retarded collection. hippo939, lsp said to look at his stuff and he has everything

I just saw this in a guntalk forum's funny pictures thread.

Karou said:

I just saw this in a guntalk forum's funny pictures thread.

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LOL, that is fucking...harsh.

Point taken.