So the Wii U........What exactly is Nintendo playing at?

OrochiEddie said:

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LOL

Best gif I have ever seen! Its even better than the rot gif and that's saying something...

Taiso said:

Another kick in the nuts for the Wii U:

EA drops Wii U development after less than a year.

The supposedly shittiest company in America, which still makes money and now has the exclusive Star Wars game development rights (among other desirable franchises), says 'Not only are we not developing for it, we don't even have anything planned for it.'

This system doesn't have the appeal or market penetration of the Wii. It won't be able to coast on faddist sales or the strengths of its own IPs. As more and more devs bail on Nintendo, this console is looking less and less like the cost friendly alternative and more like a gaming dead zone.

EA's decision doesn't surprise me. They're a soulless company that only develops 'the sure thing' and treats the industry like a strip mine. Unfortunately, they are the poster child for the current state of the market.

At least the 3DS is kicking all forms of ass.

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They did the same thing with the Dreamcast iirc but they sucked even more ass back then so it wasn't a big loss. Sega made their own Sports games and they were awesome.

The comments on that IGN article are hilarious. Bunch of Nintendo fan boys claiming it doesn't matter and that EA sucks.


Well yea, EA sucks, but when the biggest (or 2nd?) game company is making or publishing games for your console its a big deal.

Trey Burnout said:

Thanks to Nintendo I now know these people exist

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I wonder if they're trying to play this on the gimmick controllers.

Coryoon! said:

They did the same thing with the Dreamcast iirc but they sucked even more ass back then so it wasn't a big loss. Sega made their own Sports games and they were awesome.

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Except without sticking Mario in it Nintendo doesn't know how to make a actual sports game without using gimmicks

I'd love to see Nintendo make real sports games again. No more of this Mario and friends minigame bullshit. It'd be awesome if they just made an HD version of Ice Hockey with online play. Everyday I get more and more pissed that I got a Wii U instead of an XL. At least now the games are coming and they have third party content. Everything on the Wii U's either getting pushed back or they just give vague hints that their coming. Yeah, we know you're going to make a Smash Brothers, a Zelda, Mario and Animal Crossing. Bring some life back to the older arcade style games that used to kick ass. How about another Mach Rider? More puzzle games like Wrecking Crew? Go all the way back, what about a new Radar Scope space shooter, something that isn't another Star Fox. Pac-Man Championship Edition was amazing from Namco, why not do a Donkey Kong version where you can post scores online? It's sad when the only thing that keeps me turning the thing on is so I can download the 30 cent game of the month. Other then that it just sits there collecting dust under the promise that games are coming for it.

Coryoon! said:

They did the same thing with the Dreamcast iirc but they sucked even more ass back then so it wasn't a big loss. Sega made their own Sports games and they were awesome.

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Yep, good old Sega sports.

Where are they now? Didn't they just become their own thing after a while?

And none of them mattered as much as Madden.

Nintendo really just needs to get a diablo port. The most mature game.

Taiso said:

Yep, good old Sega sports.

Where are they now? Didn't they just become their own thing after a while?

And none of them mattered as much as Madden.

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I thought it was 2K Games who did most of the mainstream sports titles for DC (NBA, NFL etc).

Virtua Tennis series is still my preferred DC SEGA Sports titles to date. Especially the first...

OrochiEddie said:

Nintendo really just needs to get a diablo port. The most mature game.

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Stop saying your opinions as though they're facts.

Ok guys, as one of neo-geo.com's resident Nintendo fanboys, I feel compelled to give a somewhat serious response.

EA's comments are clearly the direct result of shitty sales of the 4 or 5 Wii U games they've already released on the platform. But look at those games, what could they have possibly expected? Half of them were ere sports games that have installed fan bases on 360 or PS3 already...why would Madden/FIFA players switch to Wii U when all their friends are playing on other systems? And ther games were just ports of older games....I mean did they really expect a port of Mass Effect 3 to sell like gangbusters?

Maybe if they had some fresh innovative offerings, their games would sell better...

But it's a chicken/egg scenario....gamers aren't buying Wii U's because there aren't enough exclusive games on the console. But developers aren't investing the resources into making exclusive games for the Wii U because there isn't a big enough user fan base.

That's a tough position to be in, but I don't think it can be blamed on Nintendo or how crappy the Wii U is (or isn't). This is a problem inherent in the industry these days...it's why talented folks like those who made Darksiders can be out of a job...

As someone who owns a Wii U, I can say that playing that the Wii U is a great piece of hardware. The game pad feels perfect in my hands, and it works really well. I want the Wii U to succeed (not only because I like Nintendo), but because I generally like the hardware. I feel the same way about my Vita. I am not thrilled about the software lineup, but I hope it sticks around for awhile because it is an awesome system.

Ah really who gives a crap about EA? They will be back with tail between their legs if Nintendo gets their act straight and gets any kind of success.

But Sega making games exclusively to Nintendo!? Come on, that should be big news to any core gamer!

(I´m still not buying Wii U based on news however, there has to be a game out that I want to play)

PART 2!!!!!!!!

In regards to EA...

We all acknowledge that the 3DS is a beast right now...and probably the best system on the market.

Here is a list of my 3DS games, broken out by publisher.

NINTENDO:
Super Mario 3D Land
New Super Mario Bros 2
Luigi's Mansion 2
Paper Mario
Mario Kart 7
Zelda OoT
Fire Emblem
Kid Icarus Uprising
Star Fox 63 3D
Pilot wings
Steel Diver
Prof Layton

AKSYS
Virtues Last Reward

CAPCOM
Resident Evil Revelations
Resident Evil Mercenaries
Super Street Fighter 4

KONAMI
Castlevania LOS2

SEGA
Shinobi

ATLUS
Code of Princess

SQUARE
Heroes of Ruin
Theatrhythm

TECMO
Dead or Alive Dimensions

NAMCO
Tekken Prime
Ridge Racer

This is a really solid lineup, and look, no EA games. In fact, I can't think of a single EA game on 3DS which is a "must own". The point being that a system can be a success with or without EA being onboard...

So companies like EA moving away from the Wii U, a console designed to compete with the PS3, 360 and PS4 and 720 (or whatever they're calling it), is irrelevant?

The problem with your argument is that it's the same thing most Nintendo fanboys are saying. It's willful ignorance of one simple fact:

Nintendo wants the Wii U to succeed. And right now, it's failing.

And the industry is trending away from Wii U development. This isn't just EA acting this way. Several other publishers are moving away from it. What that EA senior dev said is what a lot of devs feel right now. They can't make the real AAA titles that people are willing to pay big bucks for on it because the hardware is limited and the touchscreen functionality does not complement the current model for success.

The industry hasn't reached a point where they want to spend less money on game development and see profits. They want to spend MORE money on game development and see MORE profits. It's a rut, but it's a defining rut that sets the development pace right now.

The 3DS is still a niche market. People are praising its success partly because expectations are set lower so the profit margin is better. But the 3DS's numbers aren't going to impress anyone with the industry's mindset where it currently is.

neo_moe said:

We all acknowledge that the 3DS is a beast right now...and probably the best system on the market.

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Sorry Moe. I don't acknowledge that.

Maybe it's a leader at present in the handheld market, but that list of games you offered up, whilst enjoyable, is hardly what I'd call the games that define the best system on the market vs PS3 or 360. Or have I misread you and you were ONLY referring to 3DS vs PSV?

Obviously I'm glad that your enjoying the 3DS, and that for you, you feel it's found it's feet - but that list of titles, while decent, is not exactly remarkable.

Like RE Revelations, I wish Nintendo would take a leaf out of Capcoms book and get Luigi's Mansion 2 uprated for WiiU already. I really cannot see any reason to confine such a long awaited sequel to 3DS only...

I' m not entirely convinced the Wii U was developed with the intention of competing directly with the PS4 and 720...I think if that were the cae, Nintendo would have spent more time/money/energy developing graphics/processing poer...and less effort developing weird/different controllers. Nintendo positions itself as being different, and in doing so they are going to alienate themselves from a good amount of the gaming masses...which alienate them from a good amount of game developers....this is not really a new phenomenon either...Nintendo has not had great third party support since the days of the snes.

As you said, developers are backing away from Wii U because they can't make the AAA titles. But let me ask this...what if the Wii U specs were as powerful as the PS4 or 720...what would that mean for gamers? That they would one more option where they could buy the same generic AAA titles.

Personally, I'd rather have a system that can offer something a little bit if a unique experience with some different content, even at the expense of not being cutting edge. Unfortunately, and I guess not entirely surprisingly, it's going to be to Nintendo to carry that torch...right now, they aren't doing it. I certainly acknowledge the Wii U future does not look good right now, but I hope they can turn things around, because if Nintendo ever left the console scene...the market would be incredibly generic and stale...

neo_moe said:

I' m not entirely convinced the Wii U was developed with the intention of competing directly with the PS4 and 720...I think if that were the cae, Nintendo would have spent more time/money/energy developing graphics/processing poer...and less effort developing weird/different controllers. Nintendo positions itself as being different, and in doing so they are going to alienate themselves from a good amount of the gaming masses...which alienate them from a good amount of game developers....this is not really a new phenomenon either...Nintendo has not had great third party support since the days of the snes.

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Of course it was designed to compete with the current AND next generation of consoles from Sony and Microsoft. Look at some of the titles for it.

Arkham City: Armored Edition
Aliens: Colonial Marines (cancelled, but it was going to be released)
Assassin's Creed 3
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge

Nintendo released this console at a time when they knew it was going to have to stand up in a market that would soon see PS4 and Xbox 720. That's why they released it early: to get a leg up on the competition. That's the only reason to release a console early in the cycle: to create brand loyalty before the competitors can do it.

It absolutely WAS meant to compete. Nintendo's marketing touted, up and down, how they wanted the traditional, hardcore gamer back and this console was intended to do it.

Games like the ones I mentioned were only supposed to be the beginning of a wave of 'hardcore' gamer style games.

To say that 'they were going for a different market with the Wii U' is myopic and naive. But their attempt to appeal to both the Wii's installed user base and the current 'hardcore' gamers left them right in the middle, which is where Mr. Miyagi says you never want to be.

neo_moe said:

As you said, developers are backing away from Wii U because they can't make the AAA titles. But let me ask this...what if the Wii U specs were as powerful as the PS4 or 720...what would that mean for gamers? That they would one more option where they could buy the same generic AAA titles. Personally, I'd rather have a system that can offer something a little bit if a unique experience with some different content, even at the expense of not being cutting edge. Unfortunately, and I guess not entirely surprisingly, it's going to be to Nintendo to carry that torch...right now, they aren't doing it. I certainly acknowledge the Wii U future does not look good right now, but I hope they can.because if Nintendo ever left the console scene...the market would be incredibly generic and stale...

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You're still debating this from your heart and not your head.

Nintendo knew they would not capture lightning in a bottle twice with the Wii U.

That is why they made a concerted effort to appeal to hardcore gamers with this console.

You're saying 'what would be better' for you as a gamer, but you're not looking at the market at all.

Even if the Wii U turned out to be every bit as nice as the 3DS and it was a niche console that only a small group cared about, it would still be considered a failure because Nintendo projected so much more for it than that.

3DS sales and appeal are nice for 3DS expectations. Not so much for the Wii U.

Taiso said:

a console designed to compete with the PS3, 360 and PS4 and 720 (or whatever they're calling it)

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I have to say, this is not true. Look, the Wii U can barely compete with 360 and PS3's graphics and those systems were released 7-8 years ago. It's going to be the Wii's goddamn 480p all over again when the PS4 and 720 will be out = no competition possible. If they had "competition" in mind when they disigned the Wii U then they've reached a whole new level of epic fail.

You're right, I do remember Nintendo's claims that the Wii U would cater to the more hardcore gamer....but was that to attract droves of 360 and PS3 owners? Or was it to retain the fan base the acquired during the Wii era of 7-10 year olds who were now growing up and looking for something a bit more hardcore? I'm not trying to be cheeky, it's an honest question. I mean positioning yourself to compete with the next gen by having a launch lineup of current gen titles inherently doesn't make a lot of sense...I mean it certainly didn't impress current 360 and PS3 owners, how could it? So was that truly the intention?

Ok bros, I got run out now, but we'll continue our discourse later, peace!

I really have nothing new to say about the Wii U. Buyers remorse up the ass, haven't used it in half a year.
Second worst nintendo console ever with the worst lineup ever.

Mendel said:

Ah really who gives a crap about EA? They will be back with tail between their legs if Nintendo gets their act straight and gets any kind of success.

But Sega making games exclusively to Nintendo!? Come on, that should be big news to any core gamer!

(I´m still not buying Wii U based on news however, there has to be a game out that I want to play)

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Itd be a big deal if Sega was a symbol of quality anymore. Now its more of a symbol of crap with sonic slapped on top.

I think the reality is the home console market can't support 3 console offerings any longer. This was the last generation of buying all the consoles. Next time around I'm just sticking with the PS4.

EA is a big loss no matter how one wants to view it. Having Sega doesn't actually matter as they're a shell of what they were and only periodically release a title worth playing.

Are Jedah and Magician on suicide watch now?

Doctor Shroom said:

I really have nothing new to say about the Wii U. Buyers remorse up the ass, haven't used it in half a year.
Second worst nintendo console ever with the worst lineup ever.

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cdamm said:

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They may have fucked up big time with the Wii U but the Miiverse is pure comedy gold