North Korea was pretty tight, y'all

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pretty sure you have to book them from inside china

Yes, that is how you do it.


Hey Sage, did you see any instances of no electricity or things that may have been set up just for you? What about empty streets? Did you see the old US boat they captured?

I just watched the vice guide to NK last week and I wonder how much (or if anything) has changed since that was filmed....
 

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there should be a new one coming out soon also, I think Vice traveled with Rodman as part of his entourage..

pretty psyched
 

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wow, your brave. Inspirational. Thanks for sharing.
 

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How tough was it for you to get everything setup for the trip?

A friend of mine that lived for about 6 years in China, and is hoping to go back to visit in the next year or so, has been talking to me about going to China with him. I've been pushing him to spend a little bit of that time in North Korea as I've always been interested in checking it out. Hopefully my Chinese will improve by then since you said that went a long way in helping you speak with people.

Since we have started talking more seriously about going, I've been looking at the KFA Travel info through the DPRK website. Looks like it will run about $3,000 - $4,000 for the trip, but it seems pretty comprehensive with a lot of great things to do. If you wouldn't mind sharing any first hand accounts on getting your trip planned that would be great! It seems pretty straight forward from what I see, but I hesitate to think it could really be that easy.
 
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Those statues are massive. The pic came out real nice with the snow on them. Thanks for sharing dude. I could only imagine what it feels like to see Kim Jong Il's body like that. Probably comparable to seeing Lenin in the same state. Not often you get to see historic figures in this fashion.
 

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This was more informative than anything I've laid eyes on in recent memory with regards to NK.

I feel the same way. It looks like you had a great trip. I've never really had any desire to visit there before, but it looks like it could be really fun and interesting from reading about your experiences.

I imagine me not knowing either Chinese or Korean would be difficult though.
 

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There was also an arcade at a diplomats' club, it had Outrun 2 and Ghost Squad. Unfortunately, since it was at a diplomats' club that means there weren't any Koreans to play with. EVEN WORSE is the audio wasn't working on the Outrun 2 cab, so I couldn't hear Splash Wave. oh well. got to play outrun 2 in north korea. good enough for me. I have a picture of it but I'm having trouble with my VPN so I can't get on facebook to copy paste the link.

http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/GOTW/KoreaNorth/PyongyangArcades.html was it this one?

PS: Magical Sound Shower > Splash Wave
 

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Epic thread Sage, with the kind of message that everyone should get exposed to more often...that we're all just people trying to scrounge up a little happiness for ourselves when we can.

Thanks for sharing; hope there's much more coming.
 

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It sounds like an interesting trip LoneSage, and the pictures came out great, very glad that you are able to look beyond the headlines, the political rhetoric, to visit DPRK in order to see and think for yourself. It's a rare trait that I don't encounter often, even among "liberal" friends, so you are a special individual d00d.
 

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IF you can add any suggestions for how to visit there please share. It is something I am hoping to plan for in the next couple years.
 

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I always figured that the people of NK were like the people of Appalachia.

They know it's a hard life, but they do things the way they always been done because they don't know that there is anything better out there.
 

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Man, you fucking get it.

Speaking Chinese was a great asset, as a lot of Koreans speak it as a second language, even if they're not proficient at it (and I'm not fluent either, so it worked out). What I gathered when I spoke with them was, yeah, they don't like America, but they have the same problems everyone has - wondering if they're going to have enough food on the table for their family, shit like that.

They're all just people. We're all humans in the end.

At the DMZ, a lot of tourists were getting their pictures taken with the soldiers, and I looked at the soldiers' faces, and I could tell they felt uncomfortable, like they were in a zoo. No one cared to talk to them, just a quick 'CAN I TAKE A PICTURE?' and that was that. I know how they felt. I wish I had gotten them something, again, like a few beers. I asked my guide if it was cool and he said sure, but I didn't buy any beers beforehand to take with me.

Because of that, I didn't ask to take a picture with them. They looked miserable and I'm not gonna force them to degrade themselves any further for some souvenir picture.

Luckily, at the flower exhibition, soldiers were everywhere, and I caught the eyes of a few who just stared, so instead of staring back or walking away, I walked towards them. How many people can say they approached North Koreans, much less North Korean soldiers? Christ, they can't be but just a few years younger than me, even. Everyone's so afraid of The Other Side that we forget we're all human and we're both curious of each other, regardless what we're told in the media.

I can't stress enough how important I think it is to just relax and show the North Koreans that not all westerners are evil, that we laugh and smile just like they do. Unfortunately, in my group I think I was the only one who pushed the boundary. Everyone else was content to stay within the group, take pictures of Koreans without asking and then walk away. They're not animals, for fuck sake.

A smile is the same in every language. I loved smiling at kids, adults, the elderly and then see them smile back at me. It's not a lot, but it does mean a lot, to me at least.

Somehow, you turned out pretty OK. Who'd have thought. This whole experience, living in China, teaching... It's making you a pretty incredible person, Sage. Much respect.
 

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How about if we make tourists get on a knee do that cross thing and blow kisses to Jesus? I don't see much of a difference myself. Yeah tourists can be assholes but if that's the worst they did sounds like a decent group. Badass though Sage.
 

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Isn't Korea one of those asiatic cultures where people bow to each other?

yeah, its unfortunate that the population has to suffer because of the power & influence of a select, insane few.

What makes you think that they are insane? They are fucking rich beyond all fucking measures. They know what they are doing.
 

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Awesome stuff Sage, thanks for sharing!

Ditto on Bobak's post. Russians don't like weird happy people, you need to fit in and look miserable. Heck that even applies to a Russian market area in San Francisco.
 

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Hey Sage, did you see any instances of no electricity or things that may have been set up just for you? What about empty streets? Did you see the old US boat they captured?

Yes, everyday at a restaurant there would be a blackout. Sometimes for a few minutes, but during the last dinner the power was out for a very long time.
The streets were NEVER empty, in fact there were a surprisingly large number of cars. Depending on the color of the license plate, the cars were either for some government official, the army or personal owned. I never saw a personal car (yellow license plate), but then again, I never actively looked for one. Others said they saw one or two, though. Some of the cars were new, some of them were old):
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I'm not a car guy but there were a lot of cars similar to this model.
I didn't get to see the USS Pueblo, I think it's closed until the summer. There were some other things on the tour that got moved around, like we didn't shoot guns at the gun range, we didn't get to see some king's tomb, when we got at the taekwondo place nobody was there (except girls, but I was bummed, because I wanted to spar with a North Korean) and we didn't go to the Schoolchildren's Palace. These things weren't really my tour company's fault, though, so I can't blame them. Instead we visited a water bottling plant, an ostrich farm, a middle school and an embroidery studio.

How tough was it for you to get everything setup for the trip?

IF you can add any suggestions for how to visit there please share. It is something I am hoping to plan for in the next couple years.

It was super easy for me. I don't want to sound like a shill, but I went with Young Pioneers. Most of the people in YP were in their early-mid 20s ( at 25, I was one of the oldest, aside from another guy who was 50). I'm really glad I wound up with that tour group, because they were really fun. Every night back at the Yanggakdo Hotel they'd go drinking, some of them not going to bed until 2AM or later. It was a great group compared to the other groups of people, who looked quite mild and boring.

Anyways, I paid them close to 1,000 Euros, e-mailed them a passport-styled photo and then met them at the airport. Supereasy for me. I already live in China and have a Chinese visa and live close to Beijing, so that was it for me.
 

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Awesome pictures and stories Sage. It's great seeing it at a different point of view. Anytime I've seen footage of North Korea the people are always playing to the camera. It feels like there's somebody behind the camera that's jotting down everything they say or do to report them if they get out of line.

There's a National Geographic documentary on Netflix called "Inside North Korea" with Lisa Ling that I watched last year. In the doc, they had a film crew that followed this doctor that provided cataract surgery to needy people in 3rd world countries. So they were able to follow the doctor as well as the people he treated. Towards the end, they gather up all of people that he did the surgery on to take their bandages off so that they could see again. One girl they did the procedure on hadn't seen her parrents in over a decade. It was really touching seeing her face tear up and cry when she saw her mother and father again, but..they had to play to the camera. In the room, like like the picture of Sage in the school, they have two pictures of the Ill's. Every person had to stand in front of the pictures and praise the Dear Leader like he preformed the surgery himself. One elderly man shouted out, "With God as my witness! I shall pick up a rifle and kill every American I see!" Pretty weird stuff and worth checking out.

Also, those arcade pictures were pretty cool. Of course they had to rip off "USA" on the Daytona cab, which makes me wonder if the title screen in the actual game was changed. Kinda reminded me of going to the Excalibur in Vegas where they covered up all the Japanese logos on the machines.
 

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Yes, everyday at a restaurant there would be a blackout. Sometimes for a few minutes, but during the last dinner the power was out for a very long time.
The streets were NEVER empty, in fact there were a surprisingly large number of cars. Depending on the color of the license plate, the cars were either for some government official, the army or personal owned. I never saw a personal car (yellow license plate), but then again, I never actively looked for one. Others said they saw one or two, though. Some of the cars were new, some of them were old):
480632_10151554996302518_1345991408_n.jpg

I'm not a car guy but there were a lot of cars similar to this model.
I didn't get to see the USS Pueblo, I think it's closed until the summer. There were some other things on the tour that got moved around, like we didn't shoot guns at the gun range, we didn't get to see some king's tomb, when we got at the taekwondo place nobody was there (except girls, but I was bummed, because I wanted to spar with a North Korean) and we didn't go to the Schoolchildren's Palace. These things weren't really my tour company's fault, though, so I can't blame them. Instead we visited a water bottling plant, an ostrich farm, a middle school and an embroidery studio.





It was super easy for me. I don't want to sound like a shill, but I went with Young Pioneers. Most of the people in YP were in their early-mid 20s ( at 25, I was one of the oldest, aside from another guy who was 50). I'm really glad I wound up with that tour group, because they were really fun. Every night back at the Yanggakdo Hotel they'd go drinking, some of them not going to bed until 2AM or later. It was a great group compared to the other groups of people, who looked quite mild and boring.

Anyways, I paid them close to 1,000 Euros, e-mailed them a passport-styled photo and then met them at the airport. Supereasy for me. I already live in China and have a Chinese visa and live close to Beijing, so that was it for me.
Did you need the Visa? I mean, if I just booked the trip and flew into Beijin it'd be all the same no?
 

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Awesome. North Korea is at the top of my list for places I'd like to visit, just to see it for myself. It is an interesting place, that is for sure.
 

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Isn't Korea one of those asiatic cultures where people bow to each other?



What makes you think that they are insane? They are fucking rich beyond all fucking measures. They know what they are doing.
the deification of their leader(s), the terrible mismanagement of natural resources, the enslavement of generations born in prison camps, the anti-American propaganda based belief system..

Take the mass games for example.. consider the amount of resources poured into what amounts to an utterly useless spectacle, when those same resources could be allocated toward improving the quality of life for eveyone not living in Pyongyang. If they knew what they were doing there would not be millions of North Koreans on the verge of starvation.
 
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the deification of their leader(s), the terrible mismanagement of natural resources, the enslavement of generations born in prison camps, the anti-American propaganda based belief system..

Take the mass games for examples.. consider the amount of resources poured into what amounts to an utterly useless spectacle, when those same resources could be allocated toward improving the quality of life for eveyone not living in Pyongyang. If they knew what they were doing there would not be millions of North Koreans on the verge of starvation.


Agreed.

Full respect to Sage's report here and the way the whole experience was approached, sounds like the best way to get as much out of it as possible.

At the same time though it's easy to fall into the trap of respecting other's cultures to the point of losing the ability to question and challenge them. For example in time spent with africans I grow pretty tired of being told not to try to impose western ideologies on a third world society as I am unable to understand the differences. When it comes to starvation, enslavement, forced abortion, ritual killings and even genocide, you don't need to understand the nuances of a culture to be justified in speaking out.

I agree that all foreigners that visit NK should think of themselves as diplomats of a sort, but don't forget that the role of a diplomat is not to make friends but to coerce change. The making friends part is just to make it easier for the diplomat to affect the change.
 

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the deification of their leader(s), the terrible mismanagement of natural resources, the enslavement of generations born in prison camps, the anti-American propaganda based belief system..

Take the mass games for examples.. consider the amount of resources poured into what amounts to an utterly useless spectacle, when those same resources could be allocated toward improving the quality of life for eveyone not living in Pyongyang. If they knew what they were doing there would not be millions of North Koreans on the verge of starvation.

The leadership isn't starving, nor are their any real threats to the power structure.
 

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Awesome photos.

I've watched a National Geographic documentary on North Korea and it's kind of scary, to be honest. But I'm really glad you went in and showed another point of view. I'm damn proud of you, 'Stage.
 
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