FS/FT: Raiden PCB - SOLD

christoph said:

So why didn't you and all 'your friends' have a problem with it right of the bat when I listed it then, I mean you were telling em how bad what I was doing was right? Why wait weeks later?

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Because I thought you would have alerted the buyers.

Kernow sent me an IM and asked if I ever had a wire soldered to my Galuda 2 PCB, then I found out it was the broken ones I sent you. I asked him if you had told him it was repaired by Cave. He said no. That's when I messaged you.

I don't even know who bought the Mushihimesama, but I'm willing to bet they don't know it was repaired.

You were right in your thinking. I did alert the buyers and did list it as repaired.

I think its safe to assume that there was a miscommunication in-between you and Kernow and you jumped the gun and instead of handling it like a reasonable person, you immediately insulted me and it all went downhill from there. Read the conversation you posted yourself, its all there. I responded like a reasonable person, you responded like someone with an axe to grind. Coming in with that mentality will definitely make communication difficult. Then you did virtually the same thing in this thread. Again.

christoph said:

You were right in your thinking. I did alert the buyers and did list it as repaired.

I think its safe to assume that there was a miscommunication in-between you and Kernow and you jumped the gun and instead of handling it like a reasonable person, you immediately insulted me and it all went downhill from there. Read the conversation you posted yourself, its all there. I responded like a reasonable person, you responded like someone with an axe to grind. Coming in with that mentality will definitely make communication difficult. Then you did virtually the same thing in this thread. Again.

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In the future, be upfront with any and all repairs made to your games, even if you think it's general upkeep.

In the future, don't jump the gun, insult, smear, spin, defame or manipulate things in any way involving me, even if you think you are justified.

christoph said:

In the future, don't jump the gun, insult, smear, spin, defame or manipulate things in any way involving me, even if you think you are justified.

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I'll do what the fuck I want.

Got that?

You said it. There for everyone to read. You'll do 'what the fuck you want', even if its wrong?

christoph said:

You said it. There for everyone to read. You'll do 'what the fuck you want', even if its wrong?

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But in the case of the PCB boards for you not mentioning you had to repair them, he's right.

BonusKun said:

But in the case of the PCB boards for you not mentioning you had to repair them, he's right.

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The T.C. debate is finished.

christoph said:

... As far as the Twin Cobra board ... I think many can see why I didn't think it was worth noting (on a $49 board no less). As soon as some people expressed otherwise, I realized that some people would like to know, even If I do think it is extremely minor. So from now on, I'll make sure to note everything repair wise, clearly, even if its something very small. I already said this, but I'm saying it again to be clear. ....

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But, I'm not so sure about the E2 debate.

Tyranix95 said:

The T.C. debate is finished.



But, I'm not so sure about the E2 debate.

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Well I can see that this is probably clear and partly done. This site has been run rampant with scammers of all sorts so I'm not surprised Tonk is a royal cock to anyone who even remotely does anything that isn't right. :|

Lets clear up some shit here.

I've told tonk countless times what I think of his persona on the internet, he knows I can't stand it, but I'm going to post an aim conversation as everyone else is doing it, its the done thing.

(5/1/2012 2:50:45 AM) tonksnk: lol, shit talking me behind my back? Hahaha, you're a fucking riot.
(1:07:06 PM) kernow: see i knew you'd put this
(1:07:18 PM) kernow: that wasn't the case at all, i told you he aimed me
(1:07:29 PM) kernow: went on for about 30 minutes
(1:07:52 PM) kernow: i told him i've told you flat out i don't like your persona online, i've told you that 1000 times also, that's not behind your back is it
(1:08:00 PM) kernow: i said to him i wanted nothing to do with it
(1:08:15 PM) kernow: he was asking to post the aim chat on the forum, i said i wanted no part of it
(1:08:23 PM) kernow: hey - at least he asked to post the private aim chat, right
(1:09:07 PM) kernow: i said nothing to him that i haven't said to you countless times
(1:09:16 PM) kernow: I told him not to bother, no-one wins against you and your team
(1:09:20 PM) kernow: even if you're in the wrong
(1:10:00 PM) kernow: you could argue a cat has 16 legs and people would be backing you up to gain status so whats the point
(1:10:09 PM) kernow: i told him to just quit selling on every forum you're on instead
(1:10:11 PM) kernow: avoid
(1:11:47 PM) kernow: but yeah you'll think i'm bitch talking behind your back when all I'm really doing is trying to avoid you on the internet as much as possible, I'd block you on aim but that would only make you more angry, so what's a man to do? you tell me

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Fact is, about the Galuda 2 PCB, the repair wasn't mentioned initially, I had to ask if these were the two PCBs repaired by cave and then I was told, yes they were and I believe the thread was edited.

If I could login to shmups, which I can't because my account is disabled, I can prove this with PM's as they are still in my box.

I am 100% satisfied with the PCB deal after getting a refund though, whether that would have appeared if tonk didn't bite christophs face off via AIM, I doubt. Who knows. I should have explained clearer to christoph I still wasn't happy with a hardware repair.

Basically it was one big communication clusterfuck.


Does reflowing a single PCB solder point classify as a repair? I don't think so to be honest, but personally I'd probably mention it anyway. It wouldn't detract from the value on a $50 PCB greatly, if at all.

To call me a liar and a backstabber when I've probably been the most honest with you out of all people, never licking your balls, never agreeing with you to prove omg I'm so loyal!!1 is a bit much though. After all in 2009 or so you were telling me you were scared of owning PCB based arcade hardware and now you think you're some kind of expert on the subject. But after reading other threads like the home audio one you seem to have to gain recognition in anything you do. 'yeah kurts setup is nice I staged it for him' - Couldn't he do that himself? I mean if I joined up on a fishing site as a new hobby would you be there in a years time posting your top of the range rod and telling people how great you are at that too? I don't get it and thats why I cannot stand the big man persona.

At least now I only have to see your posts on AO and the occasional AIM, I can live with that. You're alright when you're not trying to be the big man, quite normal.

Just apologize, tell him you'll declare any modifications / repairs from now on, then stop responding. He'll go throw his weight around elsewhere to dig up some drama. It's just not worth it.

Although it probably won't mean anything to anyone, I have an opinion on all this stuff too.

I agree with kern that a simple reflow of a solder joint isn't anything to raise a huge stink over. I feel that it falls inline with regular maintenance. Kinda like oil changes on your car and installing new spark plugs. On really old PCB's or connectors that get plugged and unplugged all the time, its commons for through hole components to come loose and need a pin or two to be reflowed. Controller pad ports on older consoles are a good example of this.

With that said I would definitely mention it just to be safe.

Its kinda like replacing the capacitors on a board. That positively falls in line with "repair" however its commons with almost all old electronics. More so with ones that used poor quality caps (like Turbo Express's). Replacing any components, or board level rework is certainly repairs and its best for all that its fully disclosed.



I think as a group we should all come to the same consensus. Any sort of work on any electronics (arcade pcb, console or whatever) IF KNOWN, should be disclosed to the best of the sellers ability. Just a simple "control ports solder joints reflowed" is good enough. More detail is obviously better if more is involved "replaced bad sound amplifier and recapped board".

kernow said:

Fact is, about the Galuda 2 PCB, the repair wasn't mentioned initially, I had to ask if these were the two PCBs repaired by cave and then I was told, yes they were and I believe the thread was edited.

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That's all I care about.

Christoph tried to lie his way out of that. This thread went out of control because he couldn't fucking own up to what he did.

And all I asked was for him to mention if he made any repairs to the PCB's.

Oh and kern, about Kurt's audio setup - I was talking about the stand, not the equipment. You're so worried about me, you didn't even bother to read it.

TonK said:

That's all I care about.

Christoph tried to lie his way out of that. This thread went out of control because he couldn't fucking own up to what he did.

And all I asked was for him to mention if he made any repairs to the PCB's.

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Yeah, in the manner of a condescending cunt, publicly in the thread no less. "This is the second time you've done it." You then go on to suggest that he's got something to hide and start slinging personal insults.

Might as well have told him to go and sit on the naughty step if you insist on being the Supernanny of the Internet.

Sure, it might not be right that he didn't list the "repair" (not that I'd personally call a solder reflow a repair, but that's my opinion). However, you could have dealt with it more politely, perhaps via PM. If you address people with more courtesy, you'll be more likely to get a satisfactory result more quickly, with less drama.

Since you were so quick to wade in with your guns blazing and your "I am right and everyone who doesn't agree with me is wrong" attitude, this thread has degenerated into a fiery, Phil Collins-laced a free-for-all.

Oh well, at least your eunuchs were quick to form a queue to give you a rusty trombone.

TonK said:

Oh and kern, about Kurt's audio setup - I was talking about the stand, not the equipment. You're so worried about me, you didn't even bother to read it.

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I don't think he's worried about you at all.

idc said:

Yeah, in the manner of a condescending cunt, publicly in the thread no less. "This is the second time you've done it." You then go on to suggest that he's got something to hide and start slinging personal insults.

Might as well have told him to go and sit on the naughty step if you insist on being the Supernanny of the Internet.

Sure, it might not be right that he didn't list the "repair" (not that I'd personally call a solder reflow a repair, but that's my opinion). However, you could have dealt with it more politely, perhaps via PM. If you address people with more courtesy, you'll be more likely to get a satisfactory result more quickly, with less drama.

Since you were so quick to wade in with your guns blazing and your "I am right and everyone who doesn't agree with me is wrong" attitude, this thread has degenerated into a fiery, Phil Collins-laced a free-for-all.

Oh well, at least your eunuchs were quick to form a queue to give you a rusty trombone.



I don't think he's worried about you at all.

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Boo fucking hoo.

The pot, it has been stirred.

idc said:

Oh well, at least your eunuchs were quick to form a queue to give you a rusty trombone.

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Yes, obviously people jumping in to make sure no one else gets fucked or politely suggesting a course of action are "eunuchs" and "followers"... not people genuinely concerned with the marketplace and its established community policing of unethical or questionable practices.

Your 15 posts are certainly soapbox enough for you to stand on and scream about how things are supposed to be here.. not the members who have been here for a decade and have established reputations for making sure the community is fucktard-free.

VanillaThunder said:

Your 15 posts are certainly soapbox enough for you to stand on and scream about how things are supposed to be here.. not the members who have been here for a decade and have established reputations for making sure the community is fucktard-free.

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Thats just crazy talk.

its may 1st, broken's a member

suggest people do some more homework on who idc is

pro tip : cps3 repair

lantus360 said:

suggest people do some more homework on who idc is

pro tip : cps3 repair

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I don't fucking care. He hasn't contributed directly to this forum from what I can see.. so his opinion doesn't really fucking matter to me.

hyperneophyt3 said:

its may 1st, broken's a

member

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Me too!

If Christoph would have just said, "I will inform potential buyers of any repairs I've made, no matter how insignificant they are in the future." this would have ended.

Then I called him on 2 expensive PCB's he sold without being labeled as repaired as the reason I didn't PM him this time around.

He blatantly lied and said that he listed them as repaired in his threads.

Then kernow confirmed what I said. That he never made any mention that they were repair jobs until after I called him on it.

I'll tell you what - ill never buy a fucking thing from this guy. He tried manipulating me into thinking I was wrong. But I don't start shit over nothing.

This is beyond anal, even beyond sealed game collecting. Mint edge connectors, clean PCBs - now a service log of every repair made? What's next, footage of every time the board is handled to ensure it's kept in a static safe environment (hint - they never are)? Virtually every single PCB on the planet has had some repair work done by hand. You have no idea of whether those SH3 boards were repaired by an experienced professional or just an apprentice at CAVE. Your argument is that christoph should've pointed out a repair, even though it was on the picture provided? No, disagree entirely - it's the BUYER who has the responsibility of studying the pictures and asking the questions, as it is in the rest of society. The seller hasn't deliberately made an effort to conceal anything. Caveat emptor.

JUST SHOW ME THE PCBFAX!