Lemony Vengeance
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THIS
The death of Trayvon Martin
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you're part white aren't you? you don't understand shit.
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http://www.detroitnews.com/article/...back-will-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
This is a self defense shooting I can get behind.
This is a self defense shooting I can get behind.
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AWESOME
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Every African American that has ties to slavery is part white.
Except the really ugly ones.
Lemony Vengeance
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Amen to that. Best part is, beyond the picture, race wasn't even mentioned.
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I think only 1 of the 4 new shows I watched mentioned the leaked CCTV footage was AFTER HE RECEIVED MEDICAL ATTENTION. How much blood do you expect to see AFTER a medic has tended your wounds?
Let the court sort this out. I'm not jumping on this silly misinformation racist bandwagon.
Let the court sort this out. I'm not jumping on this silly misinformation racist bandwagon.
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I think only 1 of the 4 new shows I watched mentioned the leaked CCTV footage was AFTER HE RECEIVED MEDICAL ATTENTION. How much blood do you expect to see AFTER a medic has tended your wounds?
Let the court sort this out. I'm not jumping on this silly misinformation racist bandwagon.
Let the court sort this out. I'm not jumping on this silly misinformation racist bandwagon.
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No one cares about the truth.
Unless this was about Skittles killing Zimmerman. In which case, people would be pulling the craziest defense theories possible out of their asses to make sure that Skittles walked free.
bokmeow
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I love these strawmen reverse arguments.
However, the fact remains that Zimmerman killed Trayvon, not the other way around. Look, even after O.J. killed Nicole Brown, he was chased down and arrested.
Zimmerman has still not been arrested.
This shit is basically getting stupid. I don't know what it is that the Sanford Police or State Attorney is so intent on protecting, maybe it's some garbage like "the integrity of the legal system" or some other circular logic. Maybe Zimmerman blackmailing? or maybe this neighborhood watch program trained its volunteers to engage in racist profiling, not unlike what NYPD and CIA engaged towards Muslims and Arabs in the northeast?
People defending Zimmerman because they felt kinship to his "self-defense" need to disavow this d00d. People will turn against lawful self-defense if it's allowed to be abused.
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Zimmerman's understanding of actual self defense was quite poor if he actively pursued Martin. That was just ignorant. Even if Zimmerman was getting beat to death and his shooting was justified, the fact that he pursued someone who was not committing a crime while carrying a loaded weapon, was plain stupid. That's the job of law enforcement. Walking on a sidewalk isn't suspicious.
The shooting community (well the Second Amendment Foundation at least) has rightly distanced themselves from supporting Zimmerman's actions. I think other gun groups are staying neutral on this as well.
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being a crusader for lost causes. That's fine. I know what makes you tick. No one reads your political posts past the first line for the chuckle at your exasperation.
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libleous.
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Yeah, I've noticed that as well. And as far as I can tell, there is no popular rage directed against concealed carry or guns, which speaks to considerable maturation in grassroots organizing and mobilizing. In the past popular protest just became co-opted by politicians advancing special interest.
I like these times we live in. We've reached the 3rd part of that Mahatma Gandhi quotation, "then they fight you" — the next step is "then you win." Even small wins are good, anything that will shift a status quo in a positive direction.
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If you have a busted nose or cut on your head, there is often blood all over your clothes.
Even the guy's lawyer declined to discuss what treatment he received.
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You fuckers.
You guys are ideologically bent on crucifying this guy that you don't know how extreme you sound. It's like the abortion "debate": were one side, the "pro-lifers" are so fucking extreme whacko out-there that they make the moderates, who are actually in the middle, the "other side", thereby creating a false dichotomy. The ideological opposite of "pro-life" is not "pro-choice" it would actually be "abortion-mandatory" (like the PRC's one-child policy), but the "pro-lifers" are so extreme that it's warped the political "space" so hard that it has created an idealogical event-horizon so strong that no logical thought or honest debate can escape.
I have no opinion about his personalty, character, or motivation, as I don't know the guy myself (and I expect all media reports to be distorted), but as I laid out in my wall-o'-text above, that none of you fuckers (except wasabi) apparently read, Zimmerman committed no crime. There was a homicide; yes, as Treyvon is clearly dead of wounds inflicted by Zimmerman, but regardless of how you may personally think or feel, the legal justification for utilization of lethal self-defense is there (and it's actually a lot more cut-and-dried than a lot of the "use of force" cases I'm familiar with).
If Zimmerman did wrong in the eyes of the law, I do want him to be fairly tried and convicted. However, if he acted in accordance with the law, I want him to walk free (before he is inevitably going to be financially destroyed by Treyvon's family). I'm good either way.
Um, yeah. That's actually, really, really, good legal advice. His lawyer is actually doing his job here. How absolutely, inexcusably, terrible.
Even if he's never charged, much less tried on the criminal-law side, anything and everything he says, can and will, be used against him in the inevitable wrongful-death suit, on the civil-law side.
You guys are ideologically bent on crucifying this guy that you don't know how extreme you sound. It's like the abortion "debate": were one side, the "pro-lifers" are so fucking extreme whacko out-there that they make the moderates, who are actually in the middle, the "other side", thereby creating a false dichotomy. The ideological opposite of "pro-life" is not "pro-choice" it would actually be "abortion-mandatory" (like the PRC's one-child policy), but the "pro-lifers" are so extreme that it's warped the political "space" so hard that it has created an idealogical event-horizon so strong that no logical thought or honest debate can escape.
I have no opinion about his personalty, character, or motivation, as I don't know the guy myself (and I expect all media reports to be distorted), but as I laid out in my wall-o'-text above, that none of you fuckers (except wasabi) apparently read, Zimmerman committed no crime. There was a homicide; yes, as Treyvon is clearly dead of wounds inflicted by Zimmerman, but regardless of how you may personally think or feel, the legal justification for utilization of lethal self-defense is there (and it's actually a lot more cut-and-dried than a lot of the "use of force" cases I'm familiar with).
If Zimmerman did wrong in the eyes of the law, I do want him to be fairly tried and convicted. However, if he acted in accordance with the law, I want him to walk free (before he is inevitably going to be financially destroyed by Treyvon's family). I'm good either way.
Um, yeah. That's actually, really, really, good legal advice. His lawyer is actually doing his job here. How absolutely, inexcusably, terrible.
Even if he's never charged, much less tried on the criminal-law side, anything and everything he says, can and will, be used against him in the inevitable wrongful-death suit, on the civil-law side.
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For those who refuse to be racist, there's always ignorance.
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If Zimmerman committed no crime he was still irresponsible in pursuing a person with his weapon who he did not witness committing a crime. That's just stupid. You don't provoke a confrontation when you are armed. I mean how the fuck do you think that situation is going to form out?
That might not make him a criminal but it no doubt makes him a moron.
That might not make him a criminal but it no doubt makes him a moron.
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Anything moronic about calling someone a moron over a situation where known facts are extremely limited?
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Good legal advice indeed.
The thing is, the lawyer was a Chatty Cathy up until recently.
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One makes do with the available information out in the public.
Yes, there may be outright obfuscation in the police reports, the witness testimonies have been taken at face value instead of going to cross examination, cell phone records that still don't fill in all the gaps of that night that lead up to the shooting death, etc.
However, NeoTheranthrope started this with "You fucker." Goddamn that's harsh language. I think Lagduf gave as good as he received with a well-placed objection to the alleged "self-defense" Zimmerman hides behind.
Know that open discussions is good. It helps airs out differences, forces people to confront and critically examine shortcomings, and reduces the likelihood that repressed resentment would explode like a pressure cooker.