Aero Fighters 3 U.S. AES Discovered!

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Tacitus

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Shawn may not know the details with the case, but he does know 'Tony' from SNK at the time who is the person that had the full list and yes, I saw this list and he did ask me some questions about certain titles. Out of curiosity, I compared the list to the MASTER LIST here and without getting into every single detail, Aero Fighters 3 US/EURO was NOT on that list. U11, Kizuna, which many people question...was. For the most part, the MASTER LIST is quite accurate with some exceptions, but the main point is,

This would only tell me that not EVERYONE knew EVERYTHING that was going on. Lending credibility to what is currently going on.

Also, if you know what the exceptions are, how come you haven't assisted with that?



AF3 is NOT an official release for the US/EURO market by SNK standards.

You left yourself an out there. Interesting.

Frankly, I don't really care. I don't. I have no dog in this fight, I have no interest and I haven't personally seen the cart.

I have info, I spoke to some people and lent my expertise. From everything I've seen and heard, it points to this being the 'real deal'. Period.

I don't understand you, FTL or other people's vitriol about this outside of trying to publically flog Tonk. The fact is this, you've got an axe to grind and this is hardly the way to go about it. To me, it just sounds like you're incredibly pissed because you're not the only one with inside connections. Your tone just screams that you thought you were 'the man' and you're desperately trying to cling to that.

Everyone is peppering innuendo, ambiguity and 'outs' in case they're wrong. I find that funny because it's all about reputation for guys like you. If/When this is accepted as "real" you can all back out easily. Don't think that's not getting noticed.
 

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I'm typing away guys. Sorry for the repeated delays, but there is so much to say. Not to mention real life distractions. I'll have it up as soon as possible.
 

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$30k for paper... is really staggering.
 

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@Trieu: It's tough to take someone seriously that comes out and blasts a reputable guy in his first post of the thread, and continually thereafter, especially when their 'face value' contribution to the community over the past 8 years consists of 27 posts; you came back to call Tonk a scammer. Now, Tonk has helped many people here, old and new, so 'declaring war' on him doesn't exactly paint you in the most positive of lights nor does it help your message. If you are legitimately trying to help in the avoidance of people being scammed, the personal vendetta that is shining through in your posts should get dropped to better make your point.

You sound like someone with a lot to contribute given your business with SNK. Have any of your contacts (past or present SNK people) had anything to say about this so far?
 

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AERO FIGHTERS 3 ENGLISH AES – PART 1 of 3
By geddon_jt
March 4, 2012

Ok guys, I’m a windbag and I still haven’t covered everything that really needs to be covered. People have been waiting a long time and I have to try and wrap it up at some point. The most important stuff is in the “Analysis” section (Part IV) so skip there if you want to skip as much rambling as possible.

I. INTRODUCTION

TonK confided in me about a month ago that he had been contacted by an individual who claimed to own multiple copies of English Aero Fighters 3 AES, a game which to my knowledge has never publicly surfaced, and was thought by most not to exist. Long story short, I eventually established contact with this individual myself, and I was provided with a copy of the game to analyze for purposes of offering my opinion as to its authenticity, for whatever that would be worth. This report is the result of that request. I no longer have a copy of the game.

Now, a few things need to be said right up front. As has been suggested earlier in this thread, the only thing I can offer the community about this game is my opinion. I cannot guarantee or warrant anything, only present my conclusions based upon the facts that I have. I fully anticipate and expect that for many that simply won’t be good enough. There will probably be even more questions as a result of my observations. Someday, perhaps a “smoking gun” will present itself. Until then, the community will just have to accept that, when the dust settles, there will be believers and non-believers with regard to the legitimacy of this title. I don’t intend to advocate for this game so much as I intend to advocate for my conclusions, if that makes sense. But, I’m not going to make it my mission to try and convince people. I feel like people have given TonK a real hard time and he takes it upon himself to back up his claims at the expense of his reputation. As far as I am concerned, his reputation is clean and untarnished regardless of the legacy of this game, as he has simply presented the facts about his involvement, some of which I will clarify later.

Let me also say that I’m not an expert in printing techniques and I have not had the ink or paper “carbon dated.” As for my qualifications with Neo Geo, I know a lot about Neo Geo, and its history and games, but I can certainly name people on this very site who have a much more extensive knowledge than I do. So, for those of you who have suggested that my opinion means nothing, to a certain degree I agree with you, because I wasn’t sitting in the factory when this game was made. However, I think there are nevertheless meaningful conclusions that can be drawn from the facts that we know.

The cartridge I analyzed for purposes of this report is not and was never owned by me. I do not have this game nor have someone else’s copy in my possession. So please, do not email me asking for a copy of this game, or for the contact information of the owner. All the information I can reveal is reflected in this report.

II. HISTORY

Before I delve into my analysis of the cartridge itself, it is important to go over a little bit about this game’s history to put everything in perspective. (Editor’s note – I typed this section some time before TonK’s initial post, so I apologize for the repetition).

English Aero Fighters 3 AES was listed as an official SNK release in my very first draft of the Master List. Some of you who have been around a really long time might remember that. I still have a printed draft dated 2-1-2000 which reflects it. Shawn eventually convinced me to take it off probably some 8 years ago or so after copy never surfaced, although a handful of Ultimate 11 and Kizuna US cartridges had found their way into collectors’ hands.

So, why did I believe then (and sort of always believed) that this game existed?

Reason 1: Adol once told me personally that he himself saw the game in a game store in France. This was long before anyone was really faking or “correcting” Neo Geo AES games, and this came from a major collector who I trust on such matters, and who would have nothing to gain from making such a statement. I realize some of you have a beef with this guy. When we had this conversation, things were much different in the Neo scene. It’s hard to explain, but at the time I had absolute confidence in what he was telling me, and for the life of me I couldn’t (and still can’t) fathom a motivation for him to make something like this up.

Reason 2: This game was reviewed in cartridge form by Gamepro magazine in 1995 alongside Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer. It was reviewed as “Aero Fighters 3” (not Sonic Wings 3) and had a meg count listed of 154 megs. I don’t know how they would have known the meg count unless they had the AES version, but anything is possible. If they reviewed the Japanese copy, I would have imagined they would have called it “Sonic Wings 3” in the review.

Reason 3: Aero Fighters 3 came out just after the Neo slipped out of the mainstream retail realm but just before the time that SNK started getting a lot more picky about certain titles coming out in Japan but not in the US. This was one month after Stakes Winner US (October 1995 – ultra rare) and one month prior to Samurai Shodown 3 (December 1995 – common). Aero Fighters 3 exists as a US MVS kit, a Japanese MVS kit, a Japanese home cart, a Japanese CD, and a US CD. Basically, it came out on EVERY format except US AES! This is rather unusual. There were 3 Japanese snaplock games prior to Aero Fighters 3 that had a Japanese release, but no US release: Master of Syougi, Kabuki Klash and Pulstar. Master of Syougi requires no explanation. Kabuki Klash did not have a US version CD, and was a third party very “Japanesey” title. However, Pulstar followed the AF3 template. Why they would not release Pulstar and then subsequently choose to release Stakes Winner in US AES form in October 1995 is one of the Neo’s great mysteries. Now, Pulstar was an original IP from Aicom who had no other Neo games. Video System had already released Aero Fighters 2 on English AES just a year before. Bottom line, in my opinion, if you look at the state of the Neo releases in 1995, it is difficult to understand why SNK would not have made an English version of this game.

III. PROVENANCE

Ok, this is going to upset some of you, but I have so much to say about this, and more to learn about this, that I am (gasp) skipping this section for the time being, just so I can get the rest of this post out the door.

Suffice to say, I agree that the provenance of the game is a critical element in evaluating its authenticity. I will have my information, thoughts and opinions about this posted at a later date.

IV. ANALYSIS

I’m going to start off this section with the most important opinion I have with regard to this game in this entire post, and that concerns my opinion of the proper way to analyze a game like this.

Someone comes out of the woodwork and says he has a 16 year old Neo Geo game that nobody has seen before. If you set the provenance issue aside for a moment, and focus simply on the game itself, the logical place to start is to compare the game to other known official titles and look for discrepancies. This has been done by many of you in the thread already based just upon the photos that have been posted, and naturally this is where I started my analysis when I received the game.

Over the course of the past weeks my approach has changed, and here is why. As part of my analysis, I have analyzed in part the following official AES titles in detail: Real Bout Fatal Fury, Samurai Shodown 3 (US and Jpn), Stakes Winner (US and Jpn), Neo Turf Masters (US), Ninja Master’s (US), Savage Reign (US), Fatal Fury 3 (US and Japan), KOF 95 (US) and many Neo Geo CDs. It has been an exhausting exercise.

After looking at so many 1995-1996 era official US AES releases (many of which are of course the most valuable, rare and collectible in the history of the system), I came to a realization. That time period of Neo Geo releases had the most volatility and the least amount of consistency from title to title in the ENTIRE history of the Neo Geo! And I am talking about EVERYTHING. Insert and manual layouts, print quality, Neo Geo spine logo, etc. Starting in about 1998 the games became very predictable and consistent, but there was almost NO consistency from 1995 through 1996. Let me give you all some quick examples:

1. The Neo Geo logo on the spine varied drastically from title to title. Many of the 1995 titles have what I call a “fat” Neo Geo logo. It is a little oversized and bloated looking especially compared to late-era releases. Some titles don’t have a “fat” Neo Geo logo (like FF3), but one that looks almost identical to the Neostore releases (like RBFF). Sometimes the Neo Geo logos are far more saturated than on other games.

2. The print quality, even to the naked eye, varies greatly from release to release. Stakes Winner US looks like a different printer was used than Samurai Shodown 3 US.

3. The manual layouts are different between Japan and US games. I was sure a key to this analysis would be to compare the discrepancies in the layouts of Sonic Wings 3 Jap to Aero Fighters 3 US (Nov 95) with the same thing in Stakes Winner (Oct 95) and Sams3 (Dec 95). Nope! There are differences between the manuals in SW3 and AF3, but they don’t COMPARE to the differences between Stakes Winner US and Jap! The manuals in those 2 games are totally different – not only are the page numbers and layout different, but the manuals themselves have entirely different pages in them! Conversely, Samurai 3 is almost identical between the 2 versions!

That is just a brief example. Where does that leave us?
There is NO ONE GAME that can be a yardstick for comparison purposes for just about any aspect of this game! That makes this type of analysis quite challenging indeed.

It is well known that SNK made many mistakes and errors in production of AES games throughout the years. These manifested themselves in many forms, from screwed up genre colors, to misplaced AES logos, to typographical errors. But, back in 1995 and 1996, it ALSO extended to mundane things like print quality, insert and manual layouts etc.

Therefore, in my opinion, the only thing you can do to analyze the game is to observe the various characteristics of the game, and ask 1) is this consistent with the changing characteristics in other games of the period, and 2) Would a counterfeiter be likely to design a given aspect of the title in this way? That is how I have approached this report because I think it is more reliable than simply finding a game or two to compare it to. It’s so easy to take one thing, compare it to another game, say that there is a difference and write this off as fake. To the contrary, because there were so many differences between the known legitimate titles, it should be EXPECTED that there will be anomalies and variances in a legitimate Aero Fighters 3!

...analysis section To Be Continued...
COMING IN PART 2... the specific characteristics of all parts of AERO FIGHTERS 3 US AES!
 
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That point is not valid to someone who wants to collect items made by SNK, JAPAN.

So, for example, let's say such a collector is presented two AF2 cart that are physically identical, en every way. The only ting that is different about these items is the history. One cart was publisned by SNK, JAPAN and the other cart was published by BOOTHILL, RI. Well, the collector will select the cart. that came from SNK, JAPAN every time--becasue that is the type of cart that he wants to buy.

If you want a CAPCOM CPS-2 example, some CAPCOM fans will only buy BATTERY boards, others PHOENIX boards, others will only buy PHOENIX CONVERSION boards, some only BLUE (US) boards, and others only GREEN (JP), and some want one board from every region.

Point is, as long as choice exists, a collector will be selective.

Gamers are not as selective as collectos: Gamers just want to play the game.

You still missed the point.
 

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This would only tell me that not EVERYONE knew EVERYTHING that was going on. Lending credibility to what is currently going on.

Also, if you know what the exceptions are, how come you haven't assisted with that?

You left yourself an out there. Interesting.

Frankly, I don't really care. I don't. I have no dog in this fight, I have no interest and I haven't personally seen the cart.

I have info, I spoke to some people and lent my expertise. From everything I've seen and heard, it points to this being the 'real deal'. Period.

I don't understand you, FTL or other people's vitriol about this outside of trying to publically flog Tonk. The fact is this, you've got an axe to grind and this is hardly the way to go about it. To me, it just sounds like you're incredibly pissed because you're not the only one with inside connections. Your tone just screams that you thought you were 'the man' and you're desperately trying to cling to that.

Everyone is peppering innuendo, ambiguity and 'outs' in case they're wrong. I find that funny because it's all about reputation for guys like you. If/When this is accepted as "real" you can all back out easily. Don't think that's not getting noticed.

It's great to see Tonk help people through the years for those who got scammed, as I have read through various posts here and there.

Shawn, I, Billy all the oldies are older now, and I can care less for the attention, but why I came out is simple. In this business, there has been many attempts for sellers scamming us, Ray Young being the most noticeable.

I have done business with 8Man and Wolf, both straight up guys, great guys and knowing their nature, they would probably want this game, wonderful, but not when I know this isn't the real deal.

I have done my job by letting you guys know what I have experienced with SNK and the information I received from them. If you want to believe Tonk, go for it. I will stick by my word.

Goes back to the fact that there is an escape clause here: "I (Tonk), John and Billy cannot prove or disapprove of it's legitimacy." Are you serious?

"btw Sir, you are buying an original Ford Model-T...well, at least I think it is. It looks like the real deal, maybe it had some modifications in it, but doesn't it look great? Okay, we need payment now."
 

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@Trieu: It's tough to take someone seriously that comes out and blasts a reputable guy in his first post of the thread, and continually thereafter, especially when their 'face value' contribution to the community over the past 8 years consists of 27 posts; you came back to call Tonk a scammer. Now, Tonk has helped many people here, old and new, so 'declaring war' on him doesn't exactly paint you in the most positive of lights nor does it help your message. If you are legitimately trying to help in the avoidance of people being scammed, the personal vendetta that is shining through in your posts should get dropped to better make your point.

You sound like someone with a lot to contribute given your business with SNK. Have any of your contacts (past or present SNK people) had anything to say about this so far?

He runs his own site (after he decided to take his ball and go home from this site).

Just because he doesn't post here doesn't mean he doesn't contribute.

Some of us don't like him.. mainly because of the way he "left" and/or his attitude in general. He 'carried luggage' for SNK USA and carries himself with a huge sense of entitlement because of it.
 

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thanks for that geddon. while i cannot speak for everyone, i can tell you that it has given me personally new avenues of thought on this game. looking forward to the next part.
 

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fly out to Japan

For the asking price of this game, why not just fly direct to the source and ask SNK Playmore Japan for a certificate of authenticity?

If you're lucky, the person in charge of this department may be a noob and pass inspection and there you have it, a ultra rare release.

Just 'asking' or emailing SNK Playmore Japan will get you nowhere when it comes to a situation like this. My suggestion, make a donation to development of their next game, whatever the amount may be to kindly ask them to give their approval or disapproval of this game.

I won't waste my time asking, because I already know the answer. But for those who disbelieve, you have all the info you need to step foot in their door.
 

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For the most part, the MASTER LIST is quite accurate with some exceptions, but the main point is, AF3 is NOT an official release for the US/EURO market by SNK standards.

Does this even have to be stated? I mean, AF3 never actually went "on sale". It was never in any shop, nobody ever bought it. I don't think anyone is debating that. What we are wondering is if the AF3 Tonk has was actually MADE by SNK.

If SNK had abandoned the idea of selling AF3 has a home cart in the US only after some labels and books were manufactured, it would never have actually been RELEASED but what Tonk had would still be REAL.

As I keep saying, whatever the fuck this is, its not a normal release. Whatever its story is, its not the same story behind KOF 95. Nobody is disputing this. You are stating the most obvious thing here.
 

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Does this even have to be stated? I mean, AF3 never actually went "on sale". It was never in any shop, nobody ever bought it. I don't think anyone is debating that. What we are wondering is if the AF3 Tonk has was actually MADE by SNK.

If SNK had abandoned the idea of selling AF3 has a home cart in the US only after some labels and books were manufactured, it would never have actually been RELEASED but what Tonk had would still be REAL.

As I keep saying, whatever the fuck this is, its not a normal release. Whatever its story is, its not the same story behind KOF 95. Nobody is disputing this. You are stating the most obvious thing here.

Good point.

he said himself he bought protos.

Protos don't necessarily get released to market.

Therefore his protos are obviously fake. ;)
 

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Does this even have to be stated? I mean, AF3 never actually went "on sale". It was never in any shop, nobody ever bought it. I don't think anyone is debating that. What we are wondering is if the AF3 Tonk has was actually MADE by SNK.

If SNK had abandoned the idea of selling AF3 has a home cart in the US only after some labels and books were manufactured, it would never have actually been RELEASED but what Tonk had would still be REAL.

As I keep saying, whatever the fuck this is, its not a normal release. Whatever its story is, its not the same story behind KOF 95. Nobody is disputing this. You are stating the most obvious thing here.

I think your wrong here sir Adol and people who know Adol have been debating that from the start of the thread.
 
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For the asking price of this game, why not just fly direct to the source and ask SNK Playmore Japan for a certificate of authenticity?

If you're lucky, the person in charge of this department may be a noob and pass inspection and there you have it, a ultra rare release.

Just 'asking' or emailing SNK Playmore Japan will get you nowhere when it comes to a situation like this. My suggestion, make a donation to development of their next game, whatever the amount may be to kindly ask them to give their approval or disapproval of this game.

I won't waste my time asking, because I already know the answer. But for those who disbelieve, you have all the info you need to step foot in their door.

My issue here is that proof of legitimacy can be a 2-way street; Tonk is being asked for proof as he's convinced it's legit, and you are convinced it isn't, so where's yours? A list is a list, but if you in fact have the connections you say you have, pony up and give us a report from the powers-that-be past or present with SNK. Given the arrogance in the tone with which you composed the gem of a post I quoted, this shouldn't be a problem should it? And falling back on the "I won't waste my time" line is moot considering the time you've invested in this thread for the past few days.
 
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It sure would have made it easier for everyone if SNK would have used unique serial #s for home carts just as they did with their MVS kits. Spotting a duplicate would have been easy as pie. Unfortunately, this safeguard wouldn’t apply to unreleased & unknown versions.

Arcane, fire or frost?

During the Vanilla Wow MC (Molten Core) days and most mages were frost (was the best choice for MC raids after all), I was something like 60% arcane and 40% fire spec. Loved using my macro win button (arcane power + presence of mind + pyroblast).

I returned towards the latter half of WotLK, Naxxramas was the highest end content, and I was heavy arcane, 20% frost, and probably 10% fire talent. Fire mages were all the rage during this period and there wasn’t much love for arcane. I quit right before arcane received a mega buff (arcane blast receiving a 4th stack along with other long overdue balancing).

Final/latest boss I saw during Vanilla Wow.
Fishing as Alliance player at the Horde capital: pic 1 | pic 2
 

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Does this even have to be stated? I mean, AF3 never actually went "on sale". It was never in any shop, nobody ever bought it. I don't think anyone is debating that. What we are wondering is if the AF3 Tonk has was actually MADE by SNK.

If SNK had abandoned the idea of selling AF3 has a home cart in the US only after some labels and books were manufactured, it would never have actually been RELEASED but what Tonk had would still be REAL.

As I keep saying, whatever the fuck this is, its not a normal release. Whatever its story is, its not the same story behind KOF 95. Nobody is disputing this. You are stating the most obvious thing here.

The point is, SNK will not print just 3 copies of a game in finished format, manual, insert, cart sticker. When this is done, they call it 'official' and gets put on the list. Otherwise, it is shipped out in MVS format or at some other times, an unfinished AES proto, without full color artwork (some stickers are black and white or have hand written labels on them). The point of the whole trip is to see if they ever would go through all this trouble for 3 copies. Again, Shawn and I know the answer to this as we have dealt with SNK directly.

trieu so mad..

Thanks for the compliment, but I prefer to be categorized as 'crazy' instead. Fits me better at this old age.

@VT: an unfinished proto would be notably worth less (you guys should all know this here by now. 13 years go by and we still have to explain everything in detail...amazing!!) than one that would have everything intact, manual, insert, cartridge (with label). The argument here isn't whether the board is fake or not, but the complete package is modified to be advertised as a finished AES product, which it isn't.
 

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Forget about geddon's forever and ever delayed report (he must be billing for the hours), here is the proof that I've been holding back on that will completely and definitively determine the authenticity of the Aero Fighters 3 cart. I've made the steps easy to follow so that everything builds on itself and it will make sense to just about anybody (I don't want to editorialize too much, so I'll try and let the photos do most of the talking):

[I just wanted to thank all those who've been helping me behind the scenes.]

(1)

First of all, you need to pay attention to the sticker of this Fatal Fury 3 cart. Look carefully.

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(2)

Okay, now compare to this SvC:Chaos cart that was released through the NeoStore and with total permission of SNK-P.

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(3)

Now here are two other official NeoStore releases to compare to, pay careful attention, this is going to make total sense in a second:

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(4) And now we have these additional... umm...

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wait a sec...



(5)


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I just got home from work and all I have to say is L-O-L.
 

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The point is, SNK will not print just 3 copies of a game in finished format, manual, insert, cart sticker. When this is done, they call it 'official' and gets put on the list. Otherwise, it is shipped out in MVS format or at some other times, an unfinished AES proto, without full color artwork (some stickers are black and white or have hand written labels on them). The point of the whole trip is to see if they ever would go through all this trouble for 3 copies. Again, Shawn and I know the answer to this as we have dealt with SNK directly.

whats the piece count on kizuna encounter? do you consider that an 'official' release?

there could be more out there on af3- you dont know that either. just that 3 copies are 'found'.

also this:
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Part 2 to come tomorrow. That will focus primarily on detailed observations of this AF3 cartridge (case, insert, cartridge and manual) along with comparisons to other games of the era. Probably the part most of you were waiting for. Thanks again for everyone's patience.
 

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The point is, SNK will not print just 3 copies of a game in finished format, manual, insert, cart sticker.

The point of the whole trip is to see if they ever would go through all this trouble for 3 copies. Again, Shawn and I know the answer to this as we have dealt with SNK directly.

You do realize that, as has been mentioned before, Tonk never claimed that only 3 copies were ever made, but merely that he uncovered 3 copies?
 

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Thanks for pt. #1, Geddon_jt.

Looking forward to pt. #2.
 
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