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Whom has North Korea nuked? Or are you raising the specter of another country being able to resist American hegemony?
how about we take 'hack the planet' one step further... 'nuke the planet'
Iran poses no serious threat to American National Security.
They can stop the flow of oil to our country. That is a huge security issue.
There is no US security issue more important than making you piss your pants while living in fear.
That's an ignorant statement. Oil comes from more places than the strait of Hormuz. If the us wanted it could open diplomatic negotiations with Venezuela to purchase more oil. It could tell the Saudis to pump more. Saudis can ship oil away from the Hormuz easily.
There is no US security issue more important than making you piss your pants while living in fear.
Strait of Hormuz
The Strait of Hormuz is by far the world's most important chokepoint with an oil flow of almost 17 million barrels per day in 2011.
Located between Oman and Iran, the Strait of Hormuz connects the Persian Gulf with the Gulf of Oman and the Arabian Sea. Hormuz is the world's most important oil chokepoint due to its daily oil flow of almost 17 million barrels in 2011, up from between 15.5-16.0 million bbl/d in 2009-2010. Flows through the Strait in 2011 were roughly 35 percent of all seaborne traded oil, or almost 20 percent of oil traded worldwide.
According to World Oil Transit Chokepoints:
It is ignorant to not take this into account, especially since Iran has constantly threatened to close it and would attack foreign vessels. 20% of world oil trade says it all right there. I am feeling better now as we sent an Air Craft Carrier through there and Iran did nothing.
Venezuela isn’t exactly a great county to work with at the moment, especially since it’s President is accusing the U.S. of giving him cancer through some sort of witch craft. The world is full of egotistical nuts and they only thing they understand is military might. The U.S. again gets in the face of a LOT of people and countries this is true but the lives and property protected by it’s actions are unquestionable. All of Europe exists today in form due to the actions of the United States.
They can stop the flow of oil to our country. That is a huge security issue.
American reliance on fossil fuels from politically unstable parts of the world is itself a threat to American national security.
It's not in our best interest to be allied to and in bed with these Oil rich dictatorships.
Protip: We're destroying ourselves.
Counter? Are you serious? This country is oil dependent and it happens to be foreign oil. We all know what the issues are and I wish we could wave a magic wand and we became energy independent.I think these are too valid and deeply researched points for Supernaut to really counter guys, ease up..
This is a nice article I read the other day for those who care for a less sensationalized view on things - TL;DR for most but provides a fairly optimistic AND plausible theory of how it could play out.
http://stratfor.com/weekly/considering-us-iranian-deal
American reliance on fossil fuels from politically unstable parts of the world is itself a threat to American national security.
It's not in our best interest to be allied to and in bed with these Oil rich dictatorships.
I think public beheadings helped their cause of fear and oppression. Not to mention they will blow themselves up. The Taliban HATES us, if we pulled every person back into the U.S. that would still hate us. They hate our Freedom, how we allow women freedom, and how it isn’t theocracy. They have no ability to make rational thoughts and will die for their cause.That kind of logic is what got the Taliban in power. The enemy of my enemy is my friend right?
Sure, at what cost to society? You can’t do this over night. EVERYTHING runs off oil of coal. It takes years of planning and then NIMBY issue for a Nuclear Power Plant. We still use natural gas. Solar power is an issue, wind is an issue, I mean there has to be a better way but for now there isn’t a cost effective one.As much as a war monger as i am i dont even believe that, we are not 1941 japan. There is no threat to security when we have our own oil.
We can be energy independent we just choose not to be.
I think public beheadings helped their cause of fear and oppression. Not to mention they will blow themselves up. The Taliban HATES us, if we pulled every person back into the U.S. that would still hate us. They hate our Freedom, how we allow women freedom, and how it isn’t theocracy. They have no ability to make rational thoughts and will die for their cause.
Enemy or not we have a VERY large economy, just sit back and think about how many things and operatiions run off oil and how it’ll be affected if we can’t get as much?
That is the very definition of a National Security issue.
And Saddam... And the Iranian Clergy during 91/92 and 01/02.That kind of logic is what got the Taliban in power. The enemy of my enemy is my friend right?
The Taliban HATES us, if we pulled every person back into the U.S. that would still hate us. They hate our Freedom, how we allow women freedom, and how it isn’t theocracy. They have no ability to make rational thoughts and will die for their cause..
Nobody is perfect, especially the United States. A lot of the hate is based upon false beliefs or religious beliefs. I mean the French hate us. They just raised their Sales tax today beyond 20% yet the bad mouth us. Many MANY Arab nations and people hate us for our love of ISRAEL. Point is, no matter what the world’s largest super power and by far the world’s most powerful Army does will just be responded to negatively. What you failed to address is how charitable the United States is and how much money we give other nations. A lot of these people want us dead, IDK how we can agree on that. It isn’t much better in the rest of the world, Europe is failing, cost of living there is much much hire. Our country and way of life affords the most freedoms and less government involvement, they hate us for that.Huh? Our real politik world view is what caused American hate abroad. Sure a lot of it is also based on ignorant disinformation and lack of education but many places around the world have legitimate grievances againt the united states.
Saddam really knew how to take care of anyone who crossed him. Taking him out was a mistake if you do not value the innocent lives he tortured and killed.The funny thing is, I don't know why we ever took Sadam our the Taliban out. They were such a nice buffer for Iran and each other.
LULZ
I wonder if Americans think Iran is like North Korea.
Because it's not. Iranians have everything. They have loads of food, and it's good food.
They have the same cars as people have here, but they have to pay 2x as much to buy them bc tariffs are so high.
They have the same speed internet and the same computers as people have the US, but with filters put in place by the government, which smart Iranians know how to bypass.
An of course they all have cell phones. They don't have the infrastructure for 3G I guess, but some people have smartphones there too.
It's basically not Korea at all.
Iran's problem is that America's little brothers hate on Iran. There are problems there with civil rights, but that's not the reason why Iran would get attacked. If that was the reason to attack someone, Iran would have been "liberated" a long time ago.
Laugh all you want they hate jews and women and our freedom. I only hate 2 of the three.
Aight, I got you....
Whose joke fake account are you again?
The thing about Iran is that it needs the world's gasoline more than the world need's it's oil.
And Saddam... And the Iranian Clergy during 91/92 and 01/02.
The funny thing is, I don't know why we ever took Sadam our the Taliban out. They were such a nice buffer for Iran and each other.
LULZ
Back in the 80’s we did Live Aid and sent over 100 Million over to Africa, not an ounce of change.