Healthy Eating/Supplements/ETC

abasuto · Jan 6, 2012

Orpheus said:
Aba, what the fuck are you buying, pom wonderful with gold flakes in it by the gallon?

An organic apple and organic small can of soup is $7. That's not even a full meal either. More like a snack. Hell, I paid $4.75 just tonight for a bag of organic celery. Add another $5 for preservative free organic ranch dressing and $3.50 for a small thing of hummus.

It's not just organic for me, but I also try to avoid preservatives at all cost. I also don't eat any meat "bi-products".

HeavyMachineGoob · Jan 6, 2012

What exactly is a non-organic apple or stalk of celery made out of anyway? Plastic? Chicken McNuggets?

Orpheus · Jan 6, 2012

Agent Sands said:
I was told to watch Fork over Knives, which is a documentary about eating habits leading to the problems many people face today.

Bingo.
Charlie beat me to it. I just watched that movie a week or two ago and you should all go check it out. To elaborate on what Charlie said: the documentary looks at the shortfalls of an animal based diet and shows how our sky high cancer rates can be (strongly) linked to animal based proteins. It then highlights the misconception that meats & dairy are needed for a balanced diet with your recommended intake of protein when even better sources of protein can be had from non animal based foods

Agent Sands said:
In fact, I would go as far as to say that contemporary food production is spreading diseases like cancer (diabetes being already widely accepted).

The documentary goes over this signifigantly as well.
As a matter of fact the film was recommended and lent to us by a young co-worker of my mothers who was suffering from a relitively serious condition. Said girl went vegan and now it's almost as if she never had any condition at all.

I have to get more information from her in regards to that so I can share some more.

PleaseKillMeNow · Jan 6, 2012

HeavyMachineGun said:
What exactly is a non-organic apple or stalk of celery made out of anyway? Plastic? Chicken McNuggets?

some Berkeley Page said:
WHAT MAKES PRODUCE "ORGANIC"?

Contrary to what most people believe, "organic" does not automatically mean "pesticide-free" or "chemical-free". In fact, under the laws of most states, organic farmers are allowed to use a wide variety of chemical sprays and powders on their crops.
So what does organic mean? It means that these pesticides, if used, must be derived from natural sources, not synthetically manufactured. Also, these pesticides must be applied using equipment that has not been used to apply any synthetic materials for the past three years, and the land being planted cannot have been treated with synthetic materials for that period either.

It's supposed to be safer/healthier but only a little.

HeavyMachineGoob · Jan 6, 2012

Orpheus said:
and shows how our sky high cancer rates can be (strongly) linked to animal based proteins.

I find this notion rather ridiculous. Humans have eaten animals for, pretty much as long as we've been around. I haven't seen anything in history texts indicating anything having to do with concerns over eating animals. Only recently have some of these diseases arisen... The commercialization and mass production of food are more likely culprits.

Spike Spiegel · Jan 6, 2012

supplements = lol

Unless you are going into body building, I don't see the need. I really don't. For a while, I was contemplating body building, and still didn't use supplements. Just so very much money going to waste. But, that's my opinion.

HeavyMachineGoob · Jan 6, 2012

Some of us started life mineral deficient... That's one reason I take my supplements. Another reason is supplements + physical activity seems to keep my old man in unusually good shape for 54 years old.

cafu1982 · Jan 6, 2012

Spike Spiegel said:
supplements = lol

Unless you are going into body building, I don't see the need. I really don't. For a while, I was contemplating body building, and still didn't use supplements. Just so very much money going to waste. But, that's my opinion.

I agree with this. A varied diet of micronutrient-rich foods will be a lot better than using supplements.

Also, I don't believe in the term 'healthy foods' rather 'healthy diet' is more appropriate IMO. Meaning you can have a diet of broccoli, chicken breast, apples, etc and still have the occasional candy bar, burger, pop-tart or whatever and still be a healthy individual.

SonGohan · Jan 6, 2012

Semantics

evil wasabi · Jan 6, 2012

Daytime_Dreamer said:
Started dieting after like a year without eating properly and 2 months without weight training after 11 years of non-stop training

Started dieting on Monday. I will diet up until the summer. Diet consists of

Carbohydrates

1) Rice
2) Brown pasta
3) Oats

Protein

1) Chicken breasts
2) Lean Beef (occasionally)
3) Tuna
4) Pork
5) Whole eggs

Fats

1) Organic peanut butter (small doses)
2) A bit of virgin olive oil on my salads

Supplements

1) Whey protein powders (whey isolate and whey concentrate)
2) Creatine
3) Glutamine
4) Beta-Alanine
5) L-Tyrosine
6) Udo's Choice ultimate oil blend (best omega 3-6-9 fatty acids out there!)
7) Vitamin C
8) Vitamin B

and 4 times training per week (2 upper body wrkouts, 2 lower body) NO cardio since it flats me out. I only need to diet properly for 6 months :P

No sweets or sugar whatsoever (I use sweeteners - stevia in particular)

No canned drinks, only carbonated water. No sauces on foods, only some mustard which doesnt contain sugar

You're having a very cosmetic western diet. Same as putting flames on the side of your car without taking care of the engine. You'll probably age super fast and die by 60.

DaytimeDreamer · Jan 6, 2012

Agent Sands said:
You're having a very cosmetic western diet. Same as putting flames on the side of your car without taking care of the engine. You'll probably age super fast and die by 60.

Please elaborate WHY this will happen. I am 32 and I have regular bloodchecks. All is fine with me and I do look much younger than my age.

Thats the core of my diet. Of course I eat salads and fruit occasionally (Apples mainly) and the particular sweetener I use has no side effects. Oh and I dont live like this year round. I eat junk food and whatever I want once a week and 3-4 months per year I change to a more "normal" way of eating

YES, not using supplements and eating food instead IS better because you maintain a better nitrogen balance in your body. But eating food instead of using supplements costs a bomb. If and when I starting making a lot of money I will choose food instead of supps. Till that day comes its supps. With my lifestyle and the way I train if i didint use supps I would collapse at some point either during work or in the gym, trust me on this

Also I almost never see the place I live. I leave at 7:30-8 in the morning and come back at 22:00

I avoid junk food and food not cooked in my home (most of the times)
All of my food is mostly steamed or grilled
Saturated fats are kept to a minimum
Sugar is almost non existant

So I ask you again WHY I will age fast and WHY I will die young? Based on what findings and scientific articles/facts?

My post has no irony in it, just starting a conversation here

Orpheus · Jan 6, 2012

Spike Spiegel said:
supplements = lol

I take it that that is directed at supplements such as proteins and synthetics, not vitamins and herbal supplements.

HeavyMachineGun said:
I find this notion rather ridiculous. Humans have eaten animals for, pretty much as long as we've been around. I haven't seen anything in history texts indicating anything having to do with concerns over eating animals. Only recently have some of these diseases arisen... The commercialization and mass production of food are more likely culprits.

There is nothing all that ridiculous about it. I think my wording could have been a bit better and is responsible for your recation but I also see that you answered your own rebutal. Of coarse it is due to the commercialization and mass production.....as well as genetic manipulation. Things such as this are what has taken over the animal based food industry. You can wash your fruit and veggies in the sink but there aint jack shit you can do in regards to all the trace steroids, antibiotics and other shit (literaly) in your meats.

My post was not meant to infer that timeline plays no role in the whole issue. But then again we are eating food from today, not decades ago, so the tainting of animal based foods and it's affect on the health of those who eat it is still a signifigant issue.

SouthtownKid · Jan 6, 2012

Supplements are for assholes, pass it on.

Orpheus · Jan 6, 2012

SouthtownKid said:
Supplements are for assholes

Again, in what regard?

Arthas · Jan 6, 2012

I've read the entire thread up to this point and I really feel the need to chime in with the following statement:

SUPPLEMENTS are exactly that. A supplement to an already existing not only healthy diet, but an overall healthy lifestyle.

I doubt anyone with half a brain would believe that by taking supplements alone their lifestyle/physique/mental focus/etc would dramatically improve

I am pro supplements but as with anything else with life, there must be a balance in what and how much you take

Also, the following is strictly my opinion but even if eating chicken and low fat milk and fish etc will lower my lifespan by a few years, I'd gladlly take that instead of living the rest of my life with a bland-ass cardboard tasting diet.

I believe it's alright to eat a burger, eat some fries, an ice cream every now and then. If you limit your diet to a point where it starts becoming a damn chore then you're just gonna lose all enjoyment and go back to your old bad habits.

Eating just the right amount at the right times combined with a good workout routine I believe is most important.

I'm not a fitness expert but over the last few years I have drastically improved my physique, physical ability, and confidence.

just my 2 cents

HeavyMachineGoob · Jan 7, 2012

Orpheus said:
There is nothing all that ridiculous about it. I think my wording could have been a bit better and is responsible for your recation but I also see that you answered your own rebutal. Of coarse it is due to the commercialization and mass production.....as well as genetic manipulation. Things such as this are what has taken over the animal based food industry. You can wash your fruit and veggies in the sink but there aint jack shit you can do in regards to all the trace steroids, antibiotics and other shit (literaly) in your meats.

My post was not meant to infer that timeline plays no role in the whole issue. But then again we are eating food from today, not decades ago, so the tainting of animal based foods and it's affect on the health of those who eat it is still a signifigant issue.

Okay I think I see your point now... Animals produced for food today typically can be unhealthy. Or at least, the commercial ones. I can't imagine slaughtering your own pig and eating it would be THAT unhealthy. Now buying usual processed pork, that's certainly a different matter.

GregN · Jan 7, 2012

I've been taking fish oil for depression and eat dark chocolate from time to time.

DaytimeDreamer · Jan 7, 2012

Arthas said:
I've read the entire thread up to this point and I really feel the need to chime in with the following statement:

SUPPLEMENTS are exactly that. A supplement to an already existing not only healthy diet, but an overall healthy lifestyle.

I doubt anyone with half a brain would believe that by taking supplements alone their lifestyle/physique/mental focus/etc would dramatically improve

I am pro supplements but as with anything else with life, there must be a balance in what and how much you take

Also, the following is strictly my opinion but even if eating chicken and low fat milk and fish etc will lower my lifespan by a few years, I'd gladlly take that instead of living the rest of my life with a bland-ass cardboard tasting diet.

I believe it's alright to eat a burger, eat some fries, an ice cream every now and then. If you limit your diet to a point where it starts becoming a damn chore then you're just gonna lose all enjoyment and go back to your old bad habits.

Eating just the right amount at the right times combined with a good workout routine I believe is most important.

I'm not a fitness expert but over the last few years I have drastically improved my physique, physical ability, and confidence.

just my 2 cents

+1000

Supplements are just that, supplements. Like said they already supplement an already existing good diet. You can use supps for health, performance, something that is missing in your diet but its wrong to substitute food for supps or to use supps if your diet isnt up to a standard. Some supps are placebos, some work, some are necessary.

I agree that meat isnt what it used to be. Its filled with lots of nasty stuff nowadays but we need it. At least once a week you should eat meat. Otherwise you are prove to a lot of thing. Catching a cold easily, sarcopenia and the list goes on

Every once in a while a burger or some junk food may shock your metabolism so its a good thing if used sensibly.

SonGohan · Jan 7, 2012

SouthtownKid said:
Supplements are for assholes, pass it on.

Don't forget to take your daily potassium and calcium supplements.

PinkSweets · Jan 7, 2012

Arthas said:
If you limit your diet to a point where it starts becoming a damn chore then you're just gonna lose all enjoyment and go back to your old bad habits.

A word from the wise.

This pretty much goes for almost anything in life.

And @Daytime_Dreamer:

I know you mentioned that you eat peanut butter in small doses, but I hope you don't rely on it daily for a good source of fat. And I did say daily. I don't see a problem with consuming peanut butter occasionally in moderate amounts.

Peanut butter, especially organic, is prone to a type of mycotoxin called aflatoxin. It's a known carcinogen that has higher amounts in peanuts and corn. Organic brands typically do not use fungicides which contributes to the higher amounts of aflatoxin. On top of that, these brands are usually found on warm shelves and not refrigerated.

I don't see the need to consume creatine or whey protein on top of meat either. Especially with all of the known dangers. They both may cause kidney or liver problems and whey protein may upset the vitamin and mineral balance in your body.

I'm not attacking anyone's choice in diet or lifestyle, but I just thought I would throw some things out there. "Food" for thought.

DaytimeDreamer · Jan 7, 2012

I just eat a spoonfull of peanut butter before bedtime and thats it. 4-5 times a week

Whey is consumed after training, and I do train like crazy trust me!

For fat I consume those "Udo's choice" oil blend. Check it on google, its pretty good
Also some raw extra virgin olive oil on salads, almonds, avocado and the occasional fats I get from salmon, etc

If I didnt train and didnt have an "always on the run" lifestyle I would eat way less

It is proven that for longelivity what one must do is eat as less as possible and keep activity down as much as possible. That doesnt mean you should become glued to your sofa but you get my drift

Average Joe · Jan 7, 2012

Soilwork said:
But, yeah, if you do happen to talk to your people I'd be glad to hear what they have to say. I appreciate it.

yeah, our Whole Body crew rocks

it's mostly a bunch of older women who have been doing this line of work for many years so i've come to trust them implicitly

the other thing besides ginko she said could be helpful is this:

http://www.phosphatidylserine.net/

seems to relatively cheap too

i also tend to think a lot of people look at these kinds of supplements the wrong way; they're not by any means a panacea nor are they something to be entirely overlooked if you have health concerns

individuals are designed too differently to sum up supplement effectiveness in a generalized manner so personal experience is a must before passing judgement one way or the other

jeff bogard · Jan 7, 2012

ive been taking ginko biloba lately, i feel like im dragging way less. i still struggle in the morning but its abit less.

evil wasabi · Jan 7, 2012

Daytime_Dreamer said:
Every once in a while a burger or some junk food may shock your metabolism so its a good thing if used sensibly.

Good cosmetically. Not health wise.

Please direct future posts to Jersey Shore thread.

Ghost-Dog · Jan 9, 2012

What do you guys think of this as a daily meal replacement?

LINK

I'm using the My Fitness Pal app on my phone to track my daily calorie and nutrient intake, and I find that I am cutting it close too often. I want to lose weight and have energy. Is this stuff okay to consume twice a day or so?

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