Should possession of child porn lead to life without parole?
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The communist menace cannot be dealt with harshly enough.
Anyone who opposes these laws, time to hire a lawyer!
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Let's say that someone secretly films you in the act of having sex, or some other act that you would prefer to be private, without your knowledge or consent. The film is then distributed to a third party. Are you comfortable with that third party then viewing the film?
How about your bank account and social security numbers, should those also be legal to view without express permission?
On the question of the actual topic at hand, I agree that the sentence is too harsh and expensive.
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I think just outing someone who DLs child porn is punishment enough as your life is pretty much over anyway.
And how he gets it on his computer should matter as well....is it a perv going on a porn binge just clicking on crap?
Because a popup with illegal material can constitute "accessing" and any OS newer than windows 3.1 will "store" it on your computer without your permission. So where's the true intent?
I'd say there's a huge difference between this and some nonce who is exchanging images and videos on some underground ped board....
Guys like that pretty much have it coming to them and frankly, anyone who sees children as sexual objects are pretty much dead inside so I don't care what happens them. Hell, deep down they probably don't care what happens to them either.
As for the law enforcement side of things,
I think child protection laws are in danger of undermining their own credibility with cases like this.
I'm sure the first traffic cops were actually there for road safety, but today they are there to screw people out of money, invade peoples right to privacy/property and ramp up auto insurance premiums over fuckall.
Child protection laws should be about keeping children safe, not for making money.
And putting some sad lowlife away for the rest of his life....hmmm....I think its a little more about making money than it is about protecting kids.
And how he gets it on his computer should matter as well....is it a perv going on a porn binge just clicking on crap?
Because a popup with illegal material can constitute "accessing" and any OS newer than windows 3.1 will "store" it on your computer without your permission. So where's the true intent?
I'd say there's a huge difference between this and some nonce who is exchanging images and videos on some underground ped board....
Guys like that pretty much have it coming to them and frankly, anyone who sees children as sexual objects are pretty much dead inside so I don't care what happens them. Hell, deep down they probably don't care what happens to them either.
As for the law enforcement side of things,
I think child protection laws are in danger of undermining their own credibility with cases like this.
I'm sure the first traffic cops were actually there for road safety, but today they are there to screw people out of money, invade peoples right to privacy/property and ramp up auto insurance premiums over fuckall.
Child protection laws should be about keeping children safe, not for making money.
And putting some sad lowlife away for the rest of his life....hmmm....I think its a little more about making money than it is about protecting kids.
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i agree. these people are obviously beyond "ill". no hope in rehabilitation whatsoever... even if they show signs of "improvement" the feelings/urges/temptation is always going to be there.. just like when a guy gets horny. of course, there's surgery to "fix" their head.....
but i'd say offer them the choice...
death penalty.. or lobotomy
anyone who says otherwise, we should probably have their pc checked out.
Norton is a master of the whooosh. Case in point
I had a friend like that in grad school.
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Anyone?
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I think he should be given the award for most creative, and creepiest, use of baby pictures ever devised.
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Except the kids who are hurt, who are exploited in making it. You think every CP shot is some voyeuristic photo? Remember a couple months ago there was that huge CP ring that was shut and to be the highest member you needed to make porn of you and a kid? That isn't some case of "no one gets hurt"
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you can easily use the RIAA's reasoning that the "makers" are losing lots of money from illegal downloaders. but then again CP is not a legal product to begin with.
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No. You shouldn't lose your entire life for looking at pictures of something you shouldn't be looking at. That's just stupid. I say 5 years in prison getting what people who do that type of thing get in prison is enough. The person taking the pictures and the person in the pics with the kids, that's a different story. They should get 20 years to life depending on the charges and definitely have to register as a sex offender. All imo and who knows if that opinion will change once I become a father.
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I am really, really curious how kids get coerced/involved into this sort of thing. Are a lot of the pictures/videos from third world countries?
Going on a tangent, I have to say that I heavily disagree with outlawing hentai with children in it. I think McCain proposed a law that made it illegal to look at, did it get passed? If so, without a doubt, one of the most asinine laws I've ever heard of.
edit: back on topic, I think the prison system is entirely fucked up. Looking at child porn and getting even five years in prison makes me wonder how five years in prison is going to help that person. What's the point? Seriously? And this guy's going to be in prison for the rest of his life? Awesome.
There definitely need to be alternative punishments besides prison.
edit edit: this is going to sound really limp-wristed, like I can't even imagine bringing up this topic to some tobacco chewing, deer hunting kind of guy - but there was a study, or something, that shows pedophiles are not entirely responsible for their attractions, that for them being attracted to children is just what came normal, just like being heterosexual or homosexual is normal for people. It's a radical idea, and like I said, I'm sure a lot of right-wingers scoff at the idea, but it's something to think about. Also, don't bother bringing up NAMBLA.
Going on a tangent, I have to say that I heavily disagree with outlawing hentai with children in it. I think McCain proposed a law that made it illegal to look at, did it get passed? If so, without a doubt, one of the most asinine laws I've ever heard of.
edit: back on topic, I think the prison system is entirely fucked up. Looking at child porn and getting even five years in prison makes me wonder how five years in prison is going to help that person. What's the point? Seriously? And this guy's going to be in prison for the rest of his life? Awesome.
There definitely need to be alternative punishments besides prison.
edit edit: this is going to sound really limp-wristed, like I can't even imagine bringing up this topic to some tobacco chewing, deer hunting kind of guy - but there was a study, or something, that shows pedophiles are not entirely responsible for their attractions, that for them being attracted to children is just what came normal, just like being heterosexual or homosexual is normal for people. It's a radical idea, and like I said, I'm sure a lot of right-wingers scoff at the idea, but it's something to think about. Also, don't bother bringing up NAMBLA.
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Hopefully their 5 years in prison for doing a crime involving children would be unpleasant enough to make them not do it again.
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Even if it's true that being a pedophile isn't a conscious decision, you can't necessarily draw moral equivalence to heterosexuality and homosexuality. The difference is that heterosexuality and homosexuality aren't harmful per se, so long as they're practiced with other consenting adults. Pedophilia, on the other hand, is by definition committed with someone who doesn't have the mental capacity to consent to a sexual act. I think it's unequal bargaining power that makes society queasy about pedophilia.
Agreed on the rest of your post though. Outlawing anime porn would be asinine -- that shit is probably some kind of pedophile safety valve.
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I agree on the consent issue, but when you say mental capacity you bring up the issue of when does one have capacity? Do we deny people, in spite of capacity, based on age? And if we are doing that, how is that judgment different than using laws to deny homosexuals or interracials? We did that for a while and people were saying how it's obviously just wrong to allow it, but here we are. Things somehow changed. It's definitely a hairy subject.
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holy shit? what is with the bad comparisons (this is not the first one on this thread)? Compairing the riaa's stance to illegal downloading to watching child porn is just insane. hell the riaa thing is for a whole other thread.
Its very hard to defend anyone involved in the production of or watching of child porn. If you need to go to great lengths to defend it by compairing it to something completely unrelated fine, if that helps you get through your day. In my eyes there is nothing worse than sexual offenders (be it child or adult related) and no one has said anything to the contrary.
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What you're trying to do, Chris, is obvious. But just because you argue to keep CP illegal doesn't mean it will increase in value on the black market.
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I suppose. Many cultures have accepted child love as a legitimate form of sexual expression. Unfortunately (for pedophiles), there is no accepted outlet in our society for their (demented) needs.
However, I think it falls more into the disorder realm because it appears to be an uncontrollable desire. Plenty of homo/heterosexual adults can live without sex and never feel the need to abduct/rape other adults.
Also, it seems to me as though part of the pleasure pedophiles derive is from the deception, control and manipulation of their victims.
I don't know. I don't think it's comparable to "normal" sexuality in any way.
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what exactly am i trying to do now? I never discussed its overall value. i simply stated earlier in the thread that if there is a demand for something that someone will provide it. can you think of a good reason to make cp legal? im all ears.
i consider myself a very open minded guy- but there is no room in my heart for child abuse.
that is an intelligent, well thought out response.
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With or without child porn, a pedophile is going to get a hard dick to fantasies and the urge to fuck kids. You can not remove that aspect of them.
Some kids land up stuck at adoption agencies till they're 18. Like that stupid looking kid with the lazy eye and already showing sociopathic tendencies. No one is going to ever adopt that kid. Give the unwanted kids to the pedophiles so no wanted children are harmed.
It's a win win, unless you're the unwanted kid with the lazy eye. But hey, sometimes life hands you the unwanted cock up the ass. Shit happens.
Some kids land up stuck at adoption agencies till they're 18. Like that stupid looking kid with the lazy eye and already showing sociopathic tendencies. No one is going to ever adopt that kid. Give the unwanted kids to the pedophiles so no wanted children are harmed.
It's a win win, unless you're the unwanted kid with the lazy eye. But hey, sometimes life hands you the unwanted cock up the ass. Shit happens.
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Chris, we know what you're doing. This is right up there with how cartel lords pay lobbyists to crusade against decriminalization of drugs just so they can keep their profits. What you're doing isn't honorable, and innocent children are getting hurt.
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ohhh! i get it. the trolling is on. gotcha.
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We sure do. I mean, I can't exactly run out and legally fuck a 15 year old girl, right?
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but if you pirate it you aren't supporting it. isn't that what they say about games? sensing a double standard.