Popular religious belief vs. genuine doctrine...

Lagduf · Oct 30, 2011

My friend works with someone who believe in the creationist, young earth/earth is 5,000 years old stuff.

Crazy.

SPINMASTER X · Oct 30, 2011

LoneSage said:
That's like saying a swastika is a good luck Hindu symbol.

no It's not.

evil wasabi · Oct 31, 2011

SPINMASTER X said:
no It's not.

The cross is a stupid image.

Like if you know someone who was raped to death, wear a penis on a necklace so that you can remember and display your devotion.

Lagduf · Oct 31, 2011

Agent Sands said:
The cross is a stupid image.

Like if you know someone who was raped to death, wear a penis on a necklace so that you can remember and display your devotion.

Bill Hicks had a funny skit about this, but instead of rape it was about the Kennedy assassination. Hilarious shit.

HeartlessNinny · Oct 31, 2011

SPINMASTER X said:
no It's not.

You are indeed right. An early pope, when he was going to be crucified, asked that he be done so upside down, because he didn't feel worthy to get killed the same way Christ did. I guess no one told him that was the defacto crucifixion method back during Jesus's time, and they did the same to murderers and whatnot. I forget which pope it was, by the way...

Lagduf said:
Bill Hicks had a funny skit about this, but instead of rape it was about the Kennedy assassination. Hilarious shit.

"That's like going up to Jackie O with a rifle pendant. Just thinking of John, Jackie. Just thinking of John."

Takumaji · Oct 31, 2011

Popcorn Sutton said:
Right.

But what of the abominations?!? And 'justifiable' Holy Wars bc God simply doesnt have infinite patience for people worshipping other deities.

That's all man-made. The bible, the laughable justifications for holy wars, witch hunts, etc.

Yet the idea of an ..uhm... kindhearted entity who unconditionally loves all of his children (i.e. you and me) and keeps an eye on us is kinda nice, as is the basic message be cool, don't kill, don't steal and love your neighbour.

No, I'm not religious in the technical meaning of the word, just thinking aloud.

LoneSage · Oct 31, 2011

HeartlessNinny said:
You are indeed right. An early pope, when he was going to be crucified, asked that he be done so upside down, because he didn't feel worthy to get killed the same way Christ did. I guess no one told him that was the defacto crucifixion method back during Jesus's time, and they did the same to murderers and whatnot. I forget which pope it was, by the way...

Images can change meaning over time, if the collective people deem it so. Just because that's what an upside down cross meant greater devotion 1000 years ago need not apply today.

SML · Oct 31, 2011

Robert Anton Wilson said:
The Western World has been brainwashed by Aristotle for the last 2,500 years. The unconscious, not quite articulate, belief of most Occidentals is that there is one map which adequately represents reality. By sheer good luck, every Occidental thinks he or she has the map that fits. Guerrilla ontology, to me, involves shaking up that certainty. I use what in modern physics is called the "multi-model" approach, which is the idea that there is more than one model to cover a given set of facts. As I've said, novel writing involves learning to think like other people. My novels are written so as to force the reader to see things through different reality grids rather than through a single grid. It's important to abolish the unconscious dogmatism that makes people think their way of looking at reality is the only sane way of viewing the world. My goal is to try to get people into a state of generalized agnosticism, not agnosticism about God alone, but agnosticism about everything. If one can only see things according to one's own belief system, one is destined to become virtually deaf, dumb, and blind. It's only possible to see people when one is able to see the world as others see it. That's what guerrilla ontology is — breaking down this one-model view and giving people a multi-model perspective.

God bless.

Jedah Doma · Oct 31, 2011

I thought about putting forth a well thought out response to this religion thread. Then I realized I was on NG.com and said LULZ NVM.

SML · Oct 31, 2011

Jedah Doma said:
I thought about putting forth a well thought out response to this religion thread. Then I realized I was on NG.com and said LULZ NVM.

WWJD?

Jedah Doma · Oct 31, 2011

SML said:
WWJD?

He who has not screwed Gamestop over in some way, throw the first stone. ^_^

evil wasabi · Oct 31, 2011

he who as not screwed satan over can throw the first stone?! What kind of fucked religion is that?

Taiso · Oct 31, 2011

Takumaji said:
If I got the Christian religions right, God loves all of us. You, me, them, everybody, everybody.

BigFred · Oct 31, 2011

HeartlessNinny said:
You are indeed right. An early pope, when he was going to be crucified, asked that he be done so upside down, because he didn't feel worthy to get killed the same way Christ did. I guess no one told him that was the defacto crucifixion method back during Jesus's time, and they did the same to murderers and whatnot. I forget which pope it was, by the way...

"That's like going up to Jackie O with a rifle pendant. Just thinking of John, Jackie. Just thinking of John."

My High School had an upside down cross on the emblem. It was called Saint Peter's High School.

Long story short. Peter did not feel he was worthy to die the same way as Jesus and so chose to die upside-down. The upside down cross has always represented "The Rock" as in Peter not the WWE superstar.

I've heard of an upside down star representing satanic beliefs etc but never an upside down cross.

SML · Oct 31, 2011

BigFred said:
My High School had an upside down cross on the emblem. It was called Saint Peter's High School.

Long story short. Peter did not feel he was worthy to die the same way as Jesus and so chose to die upside-down. The upside down cross has always represented "The Rock" as in Peter not the WWE superstar.

I've heard of an upside down star representing satanic beliefs etc but never an upside down cross.

Which explains

Ami Tajiri · Oct 31, 2011

2D_Master said:
Spoiler:

Someone should write a song called "Jesus Loves the Little Raptors."

I was raised in a non-religious environment and encouraged to find whatever beliefs made the most sense to me. I like that approach. As for religion, I don't think it's a wholly horrible thing. I went to a Unitarian church for a while, and felt kindness, comfort, and fellowship with the people there. They also worked for good causes in the community and encouraged critical discussion of every topic imaginable.

I far prefer that to the rigid and disdainful practices of some churches. I also got dragged to a Baptist church several times by my then-boyfriend, and heard the youth group leaders pronounce half my family members doomed to hell. (That is not a denunciation of all Christians. Hell, I don't find that behavior very Christian to begin with.)

Taiso · Oct 31, 2011

Ami Tajiri said:
I was raised in a non-religious environment and encouraged to find whatever beliefs made the most sense to me. I like that approach. As for religion, I don't think it's a wholly horrible thing. I went to a Unitarian church for a while, and felt kindness, comfort, and fellowship with the people there. They also worked for good causes in the community and encouraged critical discussion of every topic imaginable.

Okay, I know I must be tired and ready for sleep (already) because I read that and thought it said Unitology.

Which is the fucked up religion from the Dead Space games.

LoneSage · Oct 31, 2011

Upside down cross is seen as satanic by 99% of everyone ever.

ergo, it is.

Takumaji · Oct 31, 2011

Taiso said:

"We're on a mission from God."

Marek · Oct 31, 2011

Takumaji said:
"We're on a mission from Gahd."

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SML · Oct 31, 2011

LoneSage said:
Upside down cross is seen as satanic by 99% of everyone ever.

ergo, it is.

Inverted crucifix, sure.

evil wasabi · Oct 31, 2011

inverted penis?

a mangina?

Marek · Oct 31, 2011

I've heard freako warmonger christians describe the "Peace Sign" and an inverted, broken cross.

So peace is bad.

cannonball · Oct 31, 2011

Agent Sands said:
inverted penis?

a mangina?

No, a brossy.

evil wasabi · Oct 31, 2011

Popcorn Sutton said:
I've heard freako warmonger christians describe the "Peace Sign" and an inverted, broken cross.

So peace is bad.

Peace is the realization of one side's successful oppression of another. War is the resistance to accept subjugation and oppression.

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