McDonald's Worker Asks "Would You Like a BEAT DOWN with that?" (video!)

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Once the argument had escalated to the point the customer had hit the cashier, and then jumped the counter while continuing to provoke him, it was over. The females are charged with menacing and disorderly conduct. Bullshit, that was assault. I don't really understand why people want to walk the walk, pretend to be hard, then cry when they get their ass collectively handed to them. You get what you ask for. He brought it. Honestly, the video is pretty graphic, and the cashier is a cold-blooded killer. You can see it. He had no remorse and went in to finish them off long after they were down, but he was provoked. I'd side with him any day of the week. The only problem is, these two "ladies" survived. $50 fake bucks says they'll be even more "hard" in the future.
 
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Stupid bitches got what they were looking for, trouble.

They thought they were sssso fucking hard, until they heard themselves screaming "STOOOOOP!".

This is what happens when you fuck with somebody who happens to have nothing to lose.
 
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This is what happens when you ask for extra sauce.
 
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i don't see how it matters that the man continued to hit the crazy woman. if your adrenaline kicks in, you're going to have a hard time quitting anything. it was self defense, pure an simple. you see gas station clerks shooting, and killing, robbers all the time. do they get charged?
 
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Popcorn Sutton said:
He did keep beating the shit out of them when they were incapacitated though, which doesnt help his case.
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If he knew there was a camera there, I'm sure he would have stopped. No camera, and it seems perfectly plausible. They came back, I fought them off. But with that camera, "I fought them off... and then whipped on them some more... then some more."
 
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nruva said:
Once the argument had escalated to the point the customer had hit the cashier, and then jumped the counter while continuing to provoke him, it was over. The females are charged with menacing and disorderly conduct. Bullshit, that was assault. I don't really understand why people want to walk the walk, pretend to be hard, then cry when they get their ass collectively handed to them. You get what you ask for. He brought it. Honestly, the video is pretty graphic, and the cashier is a cold-blooded killer. You can see it. He had no remorse and went in to finish them off long after they were down, but he was provoked. I'd side with him any day of the week. The only problem is, these two "ladies" survived. $50 fake bucks says they'll be even more "hard" in the future.
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Reminds me of the pharmacist incident - and he was sentenced to jail :\
 
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BryLmoo said:
i don't see how it matters that the man continued to hit the crazy woman. if your adrenaline kicks in, you're going to have a hard time quitting anything. it was self defense, pure an simple.
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You never have a legal right to use more force than necessary. Take a few seconds to think of the scenarios that could go horribly wrong. Society doesn't condone that behavior, and we have criminal law and civil torts to discourage people from doing stupid things like that.

you see gas station clerks shooting, and killing, robbers all the time. do they get charged?
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All the time? I need to avoid Charlotte :loco:

If someone is being threatened with a gun or has reasonable reason to think they're being threatened with a weapon that could case serious or fatal injury they'll have a good defense. But if they don't or --in a classic stupid mistake-- if a store clerk shoots someone who is running away (i.e. the threat has gone), they will get charged. The law thinks people with deadly weapons for self defense need to show an extra level of care. Again, robbing a store and/or fleeing doesn't equate the death penalty for a reason, there are plenty of individuals who have actually come out of our penitentiaries penitent and willing to contribute to society.*

*until some crazy women jump the counter in which case shit went down.
 
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The only issue is, as Bobak stated, did the McDonalds employee use an unnecessary amount of force. I see no issue with using the metal rod for self defense - a two on one fight, with the one against the two persons willing to slap him and then jump the counter over the legitimacy of a $50 bill are probably some crazy bastards in the first place.

Where is the assault/battery charge on the woman who slapped him? You don't get to use that kind of force on another person and not get arrested.
 
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aria said:
You never have a legal right to use more force than necessary. Take a few seconds to think of the scenarios that could go horribly wrong. Society doesn't condone that behavior, and we have criminal law and civil torts to discourage people from doing stupid things like that.



All the time? I need to avoid Charlotte :loco:

If someone is being threatened with a gun or has reasonable reason to think they're being threatened with a weapon that could case serious or fatal injury they'll have a good defense. But if they don't or --in a classic stupid mistake-- if a store clerk shoots someone who is running away (i.e. the threat has gone), they will get charged. The law thinks people with deadly weapons for self defense need to show an extra level of care. Again, robbing a store and/or fleeing doesn't equate the death penalty for a reason, there are plenty of individuals who have actually come out of our penitentiaries penitent and willing to contribute to society.*

*until some crazy women jump the counter in which case shit went down.
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Thank you for posting this.

Far too many people do not understand the legal basis of self defense.

I just want to reiterate that any use of force in self defense can only be used to stop the threat. Once the threat is stopped you MUST stop your use of force.
 
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NeoSneth said:
This is where our justice system becomes a joke again, and the man is sent to jail and the women are given millions...
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Nothing like a combination of propaganda put out by insurance companies who want "tort reform", along with some outright urban legends, to misinform folks.

The scenario is so ugly: McD's hired a guy who went to jail for killing someone and he apparently had incredible anger issues that found their way to an unruly, but not deserving of the severe, near-fatal beating, customer. They're going to settle this so fast.

You can be charged with a crime (as these women were) and still sue someone for doing something illegal to you.
 
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I'm trying not to antagonize anyone, so let me try an example:

If you're drunk and start getting into an argument with someone at a bar and they happen to be an especially violent individual who beats you nearly to death, we don't tell you "oh, well, you should've known he was violent". That's an extremely dangerous idea to apply to all of society and its scenarios; instead we punish the person who had the lack of control to act like a human being.


Lagduf said:
Where is the assault/battery charge on the woman who slapped him? You don't get to use that kind of force on another person and not get arrested.
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They were "were arrested on charges of menacing, trespass, and disorderly conduct." They'll probably deal with those charges (which probably don't have severe punishment) after they leave the hospital.


Also, Smoking Gun has a lot of other details like how the guy went to jail to begin with (he killed someone and shot an 8 year old):
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/mcdonalds/mcdonalds-beating-video-075836

The criminal complaint against the guy (view it here) is by design one-sided, and no doubt his defense will bring up what the women did, but the problem is the complaint notes "defendent continues to swing the metal rod in the direction of said individual when the individual is down on the ground".
 
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aria said:
If you're drunk and start getting into an argument with someone at a bar and they happen to be an especially violent individual who beats you nearly to death, we don't tell you "oh, well, you should've known he was violent". That's an extremely dangerous idea to apply to all of society and its scenarios; instead we punish the person who had the lack of control to act like a human being.
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I'd liken it more to starting a fight with a guy at a bar and being beaten half to death, and then being told "oh, well, you shouldn't start fights."
 
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I'd liken it more to starting a fight with a guy at a bar and being beaten half to death, and then being told "oh, well, you shouldn't start fights."
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Exactly.

Jumping over the mcd's counter and punching a grown man in the face?

Fuckin a...

For some reason I wish this dude wouldnt go back to the pen for this one...
 
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For a laywer, that was a terrible example.

How did he know those women weren't high on crack coming to kill the staffers? At no point did they back off until he beat them into the ground. I can just as easily say he incapacitated them with no intent to kill.
 
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NeoSneth said:
How did he know those women weren't high on crack coming to kill the staffers? At no point did they back off until he beat them into the ground. I can just as easily say he incapacitated them with no intent to kill.
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Right he had no way of knowing what they were capable of, but.. just to play the other side for a second.

he stood over them, stopped beating them, then started. Twice he stopped, then brought down the rod a few more times.

It seemed like if they even started to move he was beating the fuck out of them.

He had every right in the world to put them down, but then the question is, does he have the right to continue beating them or should he have walked away. Its a legitimate question, despite my predisposition to siding with the ex-con.
 
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Popcorn Sutton said:
For some reason I wish this dude wouldnt go back to the pen for this one...
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Same here. Yea it was excessive, but damn, part of me wants to give the guy a free pass on this one.
 
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stoopid forums. this is supposed to be in response to Bobaks response to my response to this thread :D

lol, when i typed that, i stopped to think about that statement...not the best choice of words. it doesn't happen all the time, but when it does, i'm sure the clerk doesn't get punished.
 
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some laywer should bring up the OTHER video of a Micky D's beatdown featuring a tranny and some more black girls.
 
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