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What happened?
Dream Act in CA passed...let the flamming begin!
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LWK the whole world is not California, ok? Though I do recognize there are places like parts of California and Arizona where that would happen to you. And it sucks that it did happen to you. But everybody DOES NOT go through racism. Not even close.
I know you've only left two times, but trust me as someone who has lived and travelled to lots of places, the average illegal immigrant in the USA is highly conspicuous. They work jobs in communities where they are not, at all, the majority ethnicity.
Your bit about the governments' take leaving you with tomato money is a total joke.
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They passed draconian immigrations laws and then, all the sudden, their agricultural workforce stopped showing up to work for fear of deportation.
Untold amounts of fruits, vegetables, and other cash crops were left to rot on the vine and tree.
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well good for you (slow hand clap)
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Where did I say the whole world is california? This law is specifically about california, and unless you live here, you have no idea how many illegal's are here. You think if my white ass stood on the street with the rest of the illegals that I wouldn't get busted for it? These people get a free pass, and I don't give a damn how shitty it is for them, they chose to come here with zero respect for this country.
Even been beaten up for being white?
Also, I say let the crops rot, if Americans are to stupid shit lazy to do that type of work, then let them starve. Maybe a lack of such things will give us the balls we had in the 30's to have some fucking industry once more so we don't need to have retarded regulations that farm out everything that could make decent money in america.
Complacency has limitations.
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Why shouldn't they?
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You know why we need stupid laws like this? Because illegals are not as entitled as american's are to begin with. They don't have ridiculous pride and don't mind working jobs everyone looks down upon. American's were stronger in ethic when the generation was earlier and many of the major american crowds were different waves of immigrants. The only ones we have now who seem to have this ethic in a large general example are these illegal mexicans. Its not fair to single out mexicans either, but it'd be a lot better if just did a wave of amnesty, and tightened the borders with highly educated people. The people put in charge of shit in america are by and large some of the dumbest people around.
Also, what I am saying WILL happen, there's no other conclusion that can come from it. Either amnesty them, protect your borders and do it fucking right for once, or don't have law. We'll still get illegals, but it won't be as fucked up as it is now.
Also, what I am saying WILL happen, there's no other conclusion that can come from it. Either amnesty them, protect your borders and do it fucking right for once, or don't have law. We'll still get illegals, but it won't be as fucked up as it is now.
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Because they don't have a right to? And it costs everybody else money that their family is not paying into?
Not fair.
Its not about being stupid shit lazy.
Its about being paid enough to live and have a family, even in the most modest way, to live.
You go fucking pick tomatos for 3.50/hr and see what you can buy with that.
Honestly I would love to see what kind of song youd be singing if you didnt own property and have the current situation that you do.
If you had to compete for a starbucks barista job with 20 other people.
If you were working 50 hour weeks at a scrapyard, which sucks in the first place, then got your hours halved.
Etc.
You talk a lot of shit from a relatively comfortable position.
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What do you think would happen if we pulled all undocumented children out of elementary schools in one fell swoop?
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There's actually plenty that "undocumented immigrants" have to provide for aid under the dream act. Basically, you have to prove that your parents moved you to the US when you were a minor and that you've had steady living in one area for something like 5 years. It's a big topic at the high school where I am working.
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Why don't they have a right to?
Is that what is required to attend primary and secondary school? Paying for it? Lots of non-illegal immigrants in primary and secondary school that are no different in that respect.
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We can go around and around, but I've already said it. They don't belong here, they're here illegally and don't have the right to partake in benefits that legal citizens have.
BTW, education is a privilege, not a right. Let's get this straight.
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Perhaps to put it in a different way: Education is considered a right in the United States. It is a right of every citizen of this state.
After that, people can argue as to exactly what is "citizenship" and decide whether geographical existence or legal status is the true defining aspect.
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The pursuit of education should be a right, but the problem is that when someone is rewarded for breaking the rules, those that follow the rules feel disenfranchised. We shouldn't care about those who break the rules just because they are getting paid peanuts to make this country run. We should actually be sending every employer of illegals to state penitentiary. Of course this would be seen as racist since only white people would be sentenced for that crime.
Let the illegals get what they want at the same cost as everyone else, proving documentation, etc, but don't let corporations get away with illegal labor. While some people don't want those jobs because they don't pay minimum wage. Take away those who work for less than minimum wage and you will see American citizens flock back to the jobs that used to be theirs.
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Do people in this society understand that the employment of and resulting production from low-paid foreigners is the only thing which prevents them from realising that they are under-compensated for their work, and that this imperialist nature has been implemented to prevent them from a rebellion against capitalism itself?
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It's only become a "right" in recent times because of our latest generation of spoiled, entitled individuals.
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I think it's considered a right more for the reason that without an educated population, the country falls further behind the rest of the world in everything, leading to worse and worse ecconomic problems. Forget about entitlement issues or who you think is spoiled. If you want the United States to become a third world nation, the quickest way to achieve that is to not have education be available to a large segment of the next generation.
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Awesome post, STK. By American standards racially homogenous countries are quite racist in general.
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No one has the obligation except that it's in everyone's long term interests that an education is available to everyone. Not all of us are ready to be self-sustaining backwoods libertarians living in an anarchist's wonderland. Some of us would like to see the nation prosper and advance. Sure, civilization may be in decline, but why rush it?
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As one Californian to another... haven't you noticed it becoming a 3rd world country already? I'm sorry to say, but the immigrants are bringing their 3rd world lifestyle here. Their neighborhoods that they group themselves in are in disrepair and you can't tell the difference between them and a street in their home country (this goes for all of them) if you put them side-by-side. They seem to have no pride in ownership and let their lawns collect tall grass and children's toys. I see it all over my neighborhood, and across the entire city. And it hasn't been any different anywhere else I've traveled in California either. They have no interest in assimilation to the American lifestyle, so why should we allow them to become Americans?
And we damn well shouldn't educate them. You guys may think this is xenophobic horse-shit, but mark my words: they will take over one of these days and ruin this country. And when they're through milking this land for all it's worth, they'll go right back home. They don't give a fuck about the land of opportunity, they only care about the opportunity itself.
How do you reconcile these statements?
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It may not be pretty, but I have seen the same things in my area. Make no mistake, however: This is what happens when we live in a state which believes in personal freedom without promoting a centrism toward the collective whole.
It is my belief that the U.S.A. has no centre, and perhaps, officially, it never has. But in a time where respect for social freedoms are preventing many from gearing themselves toward working for a greater whole, the only alternative to a failing laissez-faire mentality is for greater regulation to guide people of all social-interests toward a central goal.