Dead PC-Engine Duo

JuliusCaesar

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I just set my pc-engine duo up after being in storage for 6 months and it isn't loading any CD based games. I was wondering if there were any quick things to try before I find someone to fix it.

Also, anyone know of someone in Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky area who could fix it, because I certainly don't have the skills.
 

JuliusCaesar

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Ok so I can actually get it load Gradius II, but it takes beyond forever. I figure that means it is just dying and not completely dead yet, what should I do?
 

rcantor77

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I know you said you don't have the skills, but open it up and take a look inside.

There are two things I would try. First check that the two ribbon cables that connect the laser board to the main board are still connected OK. Probably not going to be that but worth a check.

It is more likely going to be one of the Trim Pots that need adjusting. Here is a few posts from another forum on what needs to be done.

Adjusting the Pots:

Advanced Users/Modders only! (unless you really want to risk it...)

Tips: The main issue is breaking a pot, or putting it so out of whack the CD player won't read discs at all. Be very gentle, and go SLOWLY when rotating the screwdriver, trying for just a few degrees (out of 360) at a time. This is 20 year-old technology and electrolytic fluid my have weakened the traces. VR102 is the place to start. Please reference BMW's photo below before proceeding.

What You will need:
1 Multimeter with Resistance (Ohms)
1 #0 Philips-head Screwdriver
1 Ocilloscope (optional)

Regarding the Trim Pots For the Turbo Duo/PCE Duo:

These measurement points may help.

VR101 = E/F balance, pin 13 of U101
VR102 = Focus Offset, pin 18 of U101
VR103 = Track Gain (Track error level), pin 45 of U102
VR104 = Focus Gain, pin 48 of U102
VR105 = VCO, pin 30 of U102

Also, the Duo-R and DuoRX DO NOT have a vr104 pot.

vr101:AB=12.33 AC=10.65 BC=19.55
vr102:AB=7.89 AC=8.11 BC=11.28
vr103:AB=7.25 AC=7.14 BC=18.46
vr105:AB=0.38 AC=0.00 BC=0.38

Troubleshooting/repair link and adjustment photo that is very helpful!!!:

http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/cdfaq.htm

tduopots.jpg

Adjusting the pots by ear!

Adjusting your duo's pot can be a daunting task for anyone. With the high cost of replacement hardware, none of use want to permanently damage our precious Duos! Here I will try and explain in idiots terms, the adjustment of the Duo pots.

Preliminary setup:

I do my adjustments live. Meaning I have the system on and hopefully spinning / reading the disc while I do adjustments. To facilitate this, I remove the magnet from the CD lid (turn the retainer ring until it releases the magnet) And then I place a piece of tape or whatever over the lid closed switch. At this point I place an audio CD on the spindle and place the magnet on top of it to hold it in place.

Adjustment:

I use a small philips screwdriver to turn the pots. If you look closely at them, they have 4 little notches that a screwdriver fits into perfectly.

Once you have a CD in place and everything is ready to go, turn on the system. If you don't want to connect your Duo to a tv, you can use headphones instead. Press the run button on the controller. If the CD starts spinning.... Great! If not, we'll start with two of the pots:

VR102 and VR104

VR102 has a small range of adjustment in which the CD will start to spin. If you turn it and the cd starts to spin, then you know you have found one end of the adjustment. Keep turning it until the CD stops again. Once you know approximately where those two points are, you can find a sweet spot in the middle.

VR104 seems to be similar to VR102 in that there is a certain range in which the CD will spin. Again try and find the sweet spot in the middle of the two points of spin/no spin.

By this point, hopefully you have the CD spinning, and maybe even attempting to read! So lets move on to the next pot/s.....

VR101 and VR103

VR101 is kind of a by ear pot. There seems to be a small range that works for proper cd playback. Typically it seems to be in the 0 to 45 degree range with 0 degrees being horizontal. You should hear some scratchy funny noises when VR101 isn't adjusted properly. Try and find a quiet spot for it. If you go too far it will get very noisy. Hopefully you can find a spot where the CD audio will start to play.

VR103 is, from what I can tell, an error correction adjustment. Hopefully you have got a CD spinning reliably at this point. You might hear a whiney faint scratchy noise at this point.... adjust VR103 clockwise until the noise goes away. If you go too far, the noise will come back only it will be a lower tone and not sound good. Razz Try and find the sweet spot where the laser operates quietly.

VR105

Lastly, VR105.... This is an adjustment for the spindle speed correction. I'm not 100% on the best way to describe adjusting this one. Basically if the spindle speed starts to run away (go REALLY fast) then you've gone too far. Hopefully by this point, your CD will play music. Try and play later tracks on the CD and if they struggle to play, try adjusting VR105 until you can play all the tracks reliably.
 

JuliusCaesar

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Well when playing audio cds some tracks will load up and play fine right off but then others will take 5 to 10 seconds to load, and it seams random and the same track that loaded fine then can take a long time to start playing. I never have used it to play standard audio cd but I don't think this is normal activity. I guess if it was pots it would be VR105 from that list, correct?
 

rcantor77

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When you tried Gradius, what was it like when the game had loaded? If it was the same then yes VR105 is the one I would try. Although VR101 could also cause reading issues.

Does the CD appear to spin correctly? If not 102 or 104 is where you want to start.

All I would say, is if you are going to adjust the pots... it is not difficuly but do it gently and slowly. You don't want to knock them of the board. A couple of degrees at a time.

Good luck.
 

Jibbajaba

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Contact user "BlueBMW" on PCEngineFX.com.

Chris
 

sat985

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DO NOT FUCK WITH THE POTS. Replace the caps first, its a bitch to readjust them properly. I've had this happen before with systems. You play it fine one day then pack it up for a few months and pull it out to play only to find strange issues.

For ex, my mint boxed, complete, original reciept, plastic and twist ties included model 1 sega cd flaked on me over the winter. The last game I played was lunar, set it aside for a few months only to fire it up and find it won't boot past the bios screen....

I replaced the caps that looked like they were on their way/already gone with new tantalum caps...still fucked. Need some motivation to replace the rest of them.

My best advice is to replace them ALL in one go, then your good for another 15 or 20 years...

I've got a rack full of duo's that I need to recap....take my advice and buy quality caps so your not doing this again any sooner than you have to.
 

raylyd

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Can some one help me it was the frist time i fixed and i did fuck with the pots and crying now but tryed the new laser i bourght and works on a mates unit.
so heres hes laser pot read out he has a japan console two

VR101 AB 6.84 AC13.67 BC18.3
VR102 AB7.73 AC7.9 BC10.59
VR103 AB14.04 AC5.28 BC18.08
VR104 AB15.23 AC4.87 BC18.08
VR105 AB 0 AC0.3 BC0.352

THATS READS FROM MY MATES PC ENGINE DUO
ITS JAPAN MODEL.
 
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