So Dion showed up on ASSEMbler

you need a history lesson if what happened in the 2000's . Just to start snk-usa closed doors in the summer that year, no more western operations for snk, everything was handled by Aruze. Aruze was thinking of shutting down SNK-Japan as well but kept it on life support acting as a licensee granting rights to everyone that could make a buck for Aruze. This lead to Korean development of kof and metal slug, noise factory's Sengoku 3 and NGF's kof2k release.

It was a total disorder, there was massive lay-offs at SNK, no wonder why Playmore couldn find when distribution rights where given to NGF, probably by a discontent employee and sued. The full outcome of that trial may never be know but it stopped ngf from selling english kof2k every month on ebay. Dion would find new carts in his garage every week but it was clear that he was just converting japanese kof2k with english paperwork. He couldn't even remove the glue correctly from the japanese gold warning stickers these carts used to sport before the conversion.

LeGIt said:

Mybe it is different ther, but I cna operate as a sole trader, be the sol trade with my real name, but use a trading nm too. Dion amy have been a ringleader in hte project but from what I am told or believe, he ws not alone. Regardless, legally the obligations are with the company, so NGF it is.

I have seen the original injunction here: http://digitalbullet.weebly.com/uploads/2/2/7/7/2277892/ngf.pdf

I appear to have misplaced the link to the Playmore press release though. I'd like to go through it myself to see first hand if it ws just the corrected inserts which were legitimisd. Een then, if many titles such s the MVS to AES conversion are illigitimate, it would make sense they are not on the list, but if the corrected 'freaked' inserts were legitimised, it mkes no snse for them to be shunned from the master list s unofficial.

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- The "preliminary injunction" you post has entering date 17 January 2003; here, with entering date 15 October 2003, is stated:

http://valou.ludo.free.fr/NEO/Copie de playmore_1.pdf

"(e) On January 31, 2003, NeoGeo Freak, who was then discovered to be a fictious business name of Dion Dakis, filed an Answer to the Complaint."



If you read all, you will see the original complaint had to be ammended due to this, and then Dion had to answer to the amended complaint.

- Regarding the Playmore press release link:

http://replay.web.archive.org/20050208171535/http://www.snkplaymore.jp/information/en_press15.html


EDIT: Legit, take on account why is so important when the supposed rights Dion could have to do what he did started; if they started after the 2000, as the information here exposed by members of the forum suggest, then all what he did done before the date, regarding conversions/corrected inserts/etc., would have not rights.

EDIT2: The DHP Neo-Geo mailing list:

http://replay.web.archive.org/20050306231453/http://lists.dhp.com/neogeo/

Has been a long ass time since I last saw that press release, can't help to point it out again that it only gives rights to issue color corrected inserts. Like selling a stupid ngcd copy of Neo Driftout gift wrapped into a laser printed color corrected ngf insert. No word is given on their authorization of doing conversions as it infringes SNK copyrights of media format.

LeGIt said:

Mybe it is different ther, but I cna operate as a sole trader, be the sol trade with my real name, but use a trading nm too. Dion amy have been a ringleader in hte project but from what I am told or believe, he ws not alone. Regardless, legally the obligations are with the company, so NGF it is.

I have seen the original injunction here: http://digitalbullet.weebly.com/uploads/2/2/7/7/2277892/ngf.pdf

I appear to have misplaced the link to the Playmore press release though. I'd like to go through it myself to see first hand if it ws just the corrected inserts which were legitimisd. Een then, if many titles such s the MVS to AES conversion are illigitimate, it would make sense they are not on the list, but if the corrected 'freaked' inserts were legitimised, it mkes no snse for them to be shunned from the master list s unofficial.

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Someone is raging, they made oh so many typos If you don't get it yet you should. We. Do. Not. Care. Go enjoy basking in the bullshit over on your own boards dude.

Thankyou for the links.

Assuming the documents are correct, I can't see: Bust a Move Again EX, Bomberman, Neo Mr. Do, Puzzled, Neo Bomberman, Panic Bomber, Prehistoric Isle and Zupapa in the unauthorised MVS to AES list.

I do see Breakers Revenge, Captian Tornaday, Metal Slug, Monkey Puzzle Exchanger and World Soccer 96 in the list however and these were titles stated converted from MVS to AES which would appear to legitimise some conversions but not all. It does however put a spanner in the words of the alleged daughter of a CEO at SNK USA's claims to NO rights though.

They also have Twinkle Star Sprites in the MVS to AES seizure list, but fail to state the language, but in the distribution list they accept he had the rights to distribute the Japanese version, so whether his version was Japanese or not who knows but the list appears to be basesd on siezed title sonly - it's possible Dion had titles which were not seized, but at the same token, it is possible Dion had the rights to more titles but insufficient documentation at the time of the hearing. Typically Judges don't like to fuck around waiting for you to get that last little bit of proof, twhen they just want you to GTFO of their court - so you either have it to hand or you don't and they go off that.

I think if the documents are clear, from the rights prsented Dion may have taken a few liberties, but many of the allegations, even if some are true, are off the mark as well. For example someone stated all MVS to AES conversions were illigitimate - having gone through the injucntion/seizure and press release, clearly this is not the case.

Whatever discredit Dion may have brought to the Neo community, I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but the Neo community would have done things wrong too. Personally the misinformation about the events would be one of them. Not recognising the legitimised reprints and conversions on the master list is one of them - if the master list is for officially recognised titles, even if you're not happy with the freakd quality or Dion's behaviour, in many cases it is still the official quality and the official product so that should grant them entitlement to the master list. Forgetting freaked titles exist is silly - it is up to people if they want to collect freaked titles or not, but given as many freaked titles are official titles, they belong on your list too.

Assuming the documents are correct, I also see the unreleased Diggerman in the original claim, but this does not mean the prototype is a fake, only that he didn't appear to have the right to redistribute it. It does go some way towards proving the game did exist and it was in his possession though.

There is a saying, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. There is also the saying let by gones be bygones. What happened, happned a long time ago. If there was any legal recourse, your time limit would have likely expired. As for Adol, Shock Troopers is on the approved product list, so again it doesn't look like YOU got scammed, even if everyone else did. Your eally need to start forgetting about all that French law crap, because that is all it is - merde.

Obiously peopl have questions for Dion, but if you're going to keep shouting at him, he isn't going to b listening.

What I would like to know is wht do people expect from Dion:

A manual?

Money?

Closure?

It seems to me that everyone inovled lost, even Dion and it is clear whatever your hopes are now Dion showed up, it is unlikely anything will come of it. If I were in your shoes, as someone who has been scammed out of many thousands of pounds I'd have taken legal action when I was able to and if not, forgot about it and got on with life as there is more to living than 14 year old hate campaign.

SetaSouji said:

Someone is raging, they made oh so many typos If you don't get it yet you should. We. Do. Not. Care. Go enjoy basking in the bullshit over on your own boards dude.

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Sorry for the double post, but no I'm not rging.

Some of my laptop keys re broken, (namely a e and i) which means they need to be pressed hard to work. Also I do not proof read, but also I dmaged my brain in hed onc rash thnaks to an idiot driver which hs affectd my spleling an concentration. Let me tlel you bouncing off a car with your face at around 60mph is uncool (though I did wear a helmet).

LeGIt said:

Whatever discredit Dion may have brought to the Neo community, I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but the Neo community would have done things wrong too. Personally the misinformation about the events would be one of them.

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There would be not misinformation if Dion showed up the contract with the rights, to check when rights started.

Again, it does not make sense SNK OF JAPAN giving rights to an individual to make what he wanted to with the IPs of SNK in the USA, specially while SNK USA exists; as I've said, and once SNK USA vanished, I believe from 2000 Aruze could have given such rights to anyone paying for them.

This makes sense, and would simply mean all before that date would be unofficial and illegal; same shit "manufactured" since that date, on the other hand, would be official and legal.

It could be said the Barone daughter word doesn't proof anything, but such could then be said from Dion's word (specially when he has been caught more than one time not telling all the truth); I say Playmore press release simply proofs from some date Dion obtained some rights to do what he did FROM that date, but BEFORE that date, he had no rights: and if he wants to end any discussion, it is so easy as to show the contract; if he does not do that, then everybody is free to believe that from [96-99] he acted without rights, or the contrary.

I think the daughter word as I pointed out was pointed out to not be 100% correct (by sveral MVS to AES titles being accpted, but also Playmore looks like they did some bullshitting too. The court document states 146. Shock troopers whereas the Playmore statement says 137. Shock Troopers - Arcade only. Not only did Playmore appear to remove several titles from the copurt ordred list, but they lso amended Shock Troopers to rcade only.

Well whn you'r right you are right though - all sides appear to be bullshitting in some part, or misinformed, or naive, but probably a combination, but really it is going to remain a mystery like the Loch Ness Monster. Why? Dion doesn't actaully need to prove anything until their is a strong enough case against him, even then he doesn't have to do jack outside a court of law and even then the legal limitations probably expired. Sadly the way the system works, if you have an allegation against Dion's rights, then you most support the allegations for the complaint to be upheld. Only then does Dion have to show his proof, not before.

People are free to believe what they want like you say, but still, not featuring the proven titles on the master list is stupid IMO.

LeGIt said:

I think the daughter word as I pointed out was pointed out to not be 100% correct (by sveral MVS to AES titles being accpted, but also Playmore looks like they did some bullshitting too.

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Legit, I don't fully understand regarding this point what you do not understand.

What I figure at this point is:

- Before 2000: Neo-Geo USA had the distribution rights in the USA. No MVS to AES titles were authorized to anybody. So if Dion did it (and he did), they were unofficial and even illegal; same for corrected inserts.

So, Adol's Shocktroopers would be unofficial, and if Adol was told it was an official release, that would be a false information.

- After 2000: Neo-Geo USA vanish. ARUZE seems to give/sell to Dion rights to do in the USA whatever he wants with the AES.

So a Shocktrooper conversion MADE AFTER THAT 2000 DATE, would be official, according to the SNK PLAYMORE press release.


After all this mess, I even understand the Master List does not dare to include the "after 2000" Dion's games, as it is a rights mess at least, even as Dion sold some games without corrected inserts and those same games with corrected inserts (a mess from any collector's point of view).

As far s I'm concerned, on the balance of probabilities it is likly Dion had rights for that period. The onus is then on you to disprove it for you to have a reasonable chance of success.

As I have already stated, if SNK USA had exclusive rights, this should be easy to prove, yet no one proves it. In this context it is possible they had rights which were not exclusive, or at least not for all aspects, so oIon could have had co-ownership or a different set of rights, or even yes no rights.

I get what you say, BUT the woman said NO rights as in at all for MVS to AES which has now been disproven for some titles.

Also I get what you say, but as stated, you have to disprove Dion had no rights for that period before Dion has to play his hand - that is how the legal system works. Of course we're not in court now, but for a civil debate there is no reson not tot reat it as such, espcially if some people claim to want to launch legal action of their own the mcorrect procedures wil lthen be helpful, as if they can't get this aprt right god help them.

Also I have to corrct you a little bit - the SNK Playmnore press release does not state a conversion is official, it states only the MVS version. It is the legal documents which make no distinction, which means it will encompass MVS to AES too. Also note I count SNK Playmore removed 9 titles off the list which are stated in the court documents, but I haven't bothred ngoing through each title to check exactly what, where when and why.

As for the after 2000 games, Dion's rights for SNK relses at least is quite clear, so I se no reason to refuse to legitimis them by not fetauring them on the master list lal you have do do is mrk them as freaked, job done, but official regardless.

dion never released anything after he got sued cos he is forbidden to do conversions, he can only print inserts. Thus all conversions are illegal.

LeGIt said:

I get what you say, BUT the woman said NO rights as in at all for MVS to AES which has now been disproven for some titles.

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Again, the Playmore press release just shows that at the moment Playmore bought the Neo-Geo IPs from Aruze, and then sued Dion, Dion seems to have rights; it doens not shows if prior to Playmore buying to Aruze those IPs, Dion did have or did not have rights.

So, the Paymore press release does not denies in any extension what here has been told Alicia Barone said.

metallizer said:

dion never released anything after he got sued cos he is forbidden to do conversions, he can only print inserts. Thus all conversions are illegal.

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As I had already pointed out, I did see Breakers Revenge, Captain Tornaday, Metal Slug, Monkey Puzzle Exchanger and World Soccer 96 in the list however and these were titles stated converted from MVS to AES which would appear to legitimise some conversions but not all.

Now you know that to look for you can confirm with the court documents posted for all to see, so this is not the case. I know the Playmnore release contradicts the official court of law document release by stating arcade only, but given as the court trumps Playmore, why you would think like this is beyond me.

Also to point out: The court documents state Metal Slug as a conversion but the Playmore press release does not state arcade only, hence this appears to legitimise the conversion and your statement is presently incorrect.

As I said, it is not what you know, but what you can prove.

I don't know how many ways I cn sy this: I'm not discounting the SNK USA years, just that on balance of probablities Dion probably had rights and the onus is then on you to prove SNK USA's rights were exclusive for Dion to be required to respond. If you post a copy of SNK USA's rights for the time, then it would confirm your allegations, then you have a reasonable chance of success.

To reiterate, it is not what you know, but what you can prove.

LeGIt said:

which would appear to legitimise some conversions but not all.

hence this appears to legitimise the conversion and your statement is presently incorrect.

As I said, it is not what you know, but what you can prove.

To reiterate, it is not what you know, but what you can prove.

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Appears to legitamise? You make some great points, but you are jumping to conclusions as much as anyone.

At the end of the day, Dion weaves in and out of the truth very well. There is no one left to legally attack him, so this game will continue endlessly.

I don't think the court got to the point of who did the conversions, which are illegal, as it would be hard to prove who did those. It says ngf can print color corrected inserts. The press release is post settlement which is not available so you can't assume what happened in there, you have to take what the press release says. Initial court documents are initial. Not something you can read as gospel truth.

Metal Slug had an official SNK release for home system in both US and JPN format, if ngf wants it can print a color corrected insert for it. But it can't do conversions cos it's copyright infringement.

LeGIt said:

I'm not discounting the SNK USA years, just that on balance of probablities Dion probably had rights and the onus is then on you to prove SNK USA's rights were exclusive for Dion to be required to respond. If you post a copy of SNK USA's rights for the time, then it would confirm your allegations, then you have a reasonable chance of success.

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Sadly, the same can be said on the contrary: if Dion post a contract showing he had rights back then, then it would confirm its allegations (as I have said, the Playmore press release does not in any way refer more than to the time Playmore sues Dion).

Logic says, if there is a SNK USA as the official distributor for a market (USA), it does not makes logic for SNK JAPAN giving rights to an individual at the same time for the same market, even allowing him to do a lot more than to SNK USA; and of course, SNK USA would not give daughter rights to anybody to do what they even could not or did not dare to do.

Aruze days, is another story...


EDIT: I had been asking some questions to Dion at the Assembler threads, which he has answered (I have to be thankful to him for answering, as I know the easy thing to do is to ignore the queestions); also, I have the feeling due to one of his answers, that he is reading this thread.

I would like to reproduce some part of them here, to comment, specially if somebody is familiar with the USA laws, etc., as I of course am from Spain and here these things may differ a lot.

http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31774&page=17

1) caren103 asks: "- So, according about you're saying: let's suppose during the SNK USA years you did not have rights. Let's suppose after the SNK USA years and the Aruze years, you had rights.

Playmore sues you, and it is demonstrated right then you have the rights.

Are you saying that would mean that if you sold MVS to AES conversions, or corrected inserts, during the SNK USA years, they were unofficial then, but after the trial, then automatically they would become official?"

Dion answers: "Once official, always official
Yes, that is how it works.
If a company does indeed grant distribution rights to a said item, it is the item that is deemed official. Dates are irrelevant once an agreement has been made and items are deemed official/authorized.

Obviously NGF wasn't around in 1990-1995, but we are granted rights to repackaging of games from that time frame as well.

All retrofits and conversions have always been fully official and authorized by snk-japan.
We never sold any infringing items. All the artworks were provided by snk-japan for NeoGeoFreak official distribution and repackaging.
This dates back to 1996/1997."

2) caren103 asks: "- Why Playmore could want the SNK or Aruze distribution contracts and agreements would become confiential by the settlement?

It makes sense they do want the settlement in itself being confidential, but I do not see sense regarding those other documents which are NOT of Playmore concern, as they were signed with other companies."

Dion answers: "Plantiff offers settlement, and wants confidentiality
Playmore offered NGF the settlement (plaintiff offered a settlement). They probably wanted all previous agreements and settlement terms to be confidential as it showed what costs and payments were made. Maybe playmore didn't want other distributors seeing what prices NGF paid. Of course, I am only speculating."

3) Dion: "Remember, NeoGeoFreak/NGF-USA was a "doing business as" (dba) aka "fictitious business name" (legal terms) created by Chris and myself. The "NGF" company isn't in business anymore, but we still associate ourselves with the NGF brand name.
NeoGeoFreak and NGF-USA were legally registered fictitious business names.

Fictitious Business DBA link (for clarity on fictitious business dba):

http://blogs.findlaw.com/free_enterprise/2010/06/what-is-a-fictitious-business-name.html "

LeGIt said:

What I would like to know is wht do people expect from Dion:

A manual?

Money?

Closure?

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A free shot at him. You DO know he sold me a modified Puzzle Bobble right? (swapped out a chip to make default difficulty max difficulty)

caren103 said:

Sadly, the same can be said on the contrary

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Exactly. This guy is just trolling at this point, with a pretty unconvincing "devil's advocate" act. Bend the "proof" in whatever convenient ways you want, but nothing "NGF" did was authorized prior to 2000.

Rights aside, this community knows him to be a scammer and a thief... from personal experiences and the collective wisdom of the trading community, and no amount of revisionist history will change that fact.

Like I said before, anyone who wants proof is lucky he's no longer selling....because he would gladly give it to you...in the form of taking your money, sending you fake product, or saying that your returned item "got lost in the mail".

We've wasted enough time trying to educate the willfully ignorant around here. I would tell you to believe what you want, but it's been pretty obvious all along that you are biased, and made up your mind before you got here.

Edit: BTW I still haven't seen any "proof" that NGF won anything. Where's the documentation?

Billkwando said:

Edit: BTW I still haven't seen any "proof" that NGF won anything. Where's the documentation?

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Here XD :

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?61168-John-Barone-s-Collection

FeelGood said:

<response to bullshit>
----
Regarding the lovely post Dion wrote, I must say I am quite amazed. In
the 2 1/2 years I have worked here, and the 9 years my parents have, I
have never know SNK to be jealous of any people, let alone one consumer.
But as you know, everything Dion says is true, therefore SNK-USA must be
jealous of all the work he does and puts forth. I have discredited him
in the past before because of the many things he has said and posted
about me, my family or SNK-USA. And these things were only said by him
because he was out to hurt someone's feelings because he was personally
hurt by me or SNK-USA. I must say I apologize for discrediting him
because he is a big fan of SNK, and he puts forth a lot of time and
energy in our products. So here it is, Dion I am sorry for talking about
you.
P.S. The photo pictured of Dion and I by the Irritating Maze, well,
let's say I look pretty large, let me just say, that there is a big
black shadow behind me and I am of half that size, and I know that
sounds pretty insecure, but I must state that, because I don't even like
having my picture up in the first place.
Alicia Barone


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FeelGood said:

I realize that Dion has made many claims that are very suspicous. Let me
set you straight on this guy.
The Irritating Maze that he is selling, was originally the coin-op version
that he bought from us. We never gave him any permission or any letter of
authenticity to turn this into a home version. He just bought the kits
from us, and whatever he did with them is out of our control. I will say
this, we won't be selling any more to him, and we doubt that he was
successful with the home version because he has not sold any.
The Shock Troopers 2 Cartridge that Dion was selling as "home versions"
were of course MVS carts turned into home carts. That is why he was
selling them for so much. I know SNK caught him really off guard when we
announced that we would be selling this title, because he had idea that
this would ever happen, and all the carts he thought would sell for big
bucks, now will no longer sell.
Dion never did or will work for SNK. He had wanted to, and was very
disappointed when SNK did not even consider him for a position. He did
meet some our staff and visited us in San Jose, but he was never an
employee of anything of the sort.
Well I hope this shed's some light on this guy, because believe me, when
someone says something that is too good to be true, it usually is.
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[ June 30, 2002: Message edited by: EvilWasabi ]</p>

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LeGIt said:

As for TonK, I can understand you may be pissed, but at the end of the day a sticker is just a sticker. Every other distributor for every other platform in every other region leaves their amrk on a product in one way or another. Some official distrubtors release utter crap too, but it is still officila regardless (see Madcatz Fission rod in Europe VS. Sega's own Fishing rod in Jpan and USA)

I understand that you may be pissed Dion stickered your product against your wishes, but at the end of the day the item isn't any less collectable because of it as it is the distributor's sticker from the officially recognised distributor and pretty much every other title got the same treatment.

My advice - if you don't want a freakd title, buy the japanese items only, but then don't go and buy a freaked title then complain it was freaked, that is just stupid as you knew what you were getting in to.

The personal attacks against ASSEMbler are unwarranted. ASSEMbler does the best he can with what he has got, even with moderators and medical problems he likes to keep on top of things, but at the same time as the site is founded by donations he has to respect the donors wishes too (did any of you lot ever donate?)

I can accept you may be angry at the time you ran your mouth (or keyboard) off, but at the end of the day you still got what you deserved form your behaviour at the time, sorry TonK.

One day you will accept your behaviour was unreasonable as you know what they say, 20/20 hindsight and all...

...but for now

/roll on the abuse, but hopefully a serious adult conversation with PROOF.

Regards,

LeGIt

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I didn't buy a freaked cart.

It was a Japanese TSS - Dion made it clear that there were to be no NGF markings on the cart anywhere.

I'm not upset over a sticker, that could have been cleaned off.

He stamped the inside of the insert for no fucking reason.

You have no clue of Dion's history, besides giving him a stage to preach on.

You believe what you want, I can care less about you or that shit forum you moderate.

Enough proof has been presented, if Kevin wants a scammer on his boards, that's fine. He can go fuck himself.

Hey LeGIt, although you may be a cunt (I've been told) at least you have the balls to come here to ask questions rather than just bash this place.

I didn't invite you but welcome!

Oh yeah, what are you doing over here when you should be working on Geist Force???

I am reading now this two threads:

"The TRUTH about "NGF"":

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?959-The-TRUTH-about-NGF

"The Truth of NGF Part 2":

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?63171-The-Truth-of-NGF-Part-2&highlight=alicia+barone

caren103 said:

I am reading now this two threads

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....good..for..you?

SetaSouji said:

....good..for..you?

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Sure.

careon103 said:

Sadly, the same can be said on the contrary: if Dion post a contract showing he had rights back then, then it would confirm its allegations

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I'm sure he could, but as of yet without your own proof to the contrary, there is no case thus no case for him to answer.

Billkwando said:

Exactly. This guy is just trolling at this point, with a pretty unconvincing "devil's advocate" act. Bend the "proof" in whatever convenient ways you want, but nothing "NGF" did was authorized prior to 2000.

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Unconvincing? If these claims are so easy for you to believe, they should be easy for you to prove, yet no one does sadly. Until you do otherwise, pre-2000 allegations are just words.

Cappadonna said:

You believe what you want, I can care less about you or that shit forum you moderate.

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It was good neough for youto wan to be there, I think you will find your ebhaiour was not good enough to allow you to say. You ar eentitled to your opinon, you re also entitled to share your opinion, but homophobic comments and then a personal attack on ASSEMbler was not the best way to go about it. I've had to work or deal with ll mnnr of people I dslike. You just have to get on with it, not have a Charlie Sheen 'Winning' Meltdown (though Bree Olson... hmmm )

synbiosfan said:

Hey LeGIt, although you may be a cunt (I've been told) at least you have the balls to come here to ask questions rather than just bash this place.

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I am a cunt or so I'm told and I got the balls to be the sheep amongst the wolves lol, this is true. Why would I bash the place wihtout expriencing it though? To paraphrase George Carlinin Jammin Live in New York 1992 " I do ths real moron thing, it is called thinking". I am capable of forming my own opinions , though sadly my opinion of Adol still stnds at present, though my refrence to idiot was meant to be more of a commentory, not derogatory and there does appear to be more than one idiot here which is true for most placs, but there appers to be a higher conentration. Still I can't tarnish you all with that brushs so...

synbiosfan said:

Oh yeah, what are you doing over here when you should be working on Geist Force???

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Looking at lines of hex gets boring, need other things to amuse me too :P I'm mostly catching up all the TV I messed whilst staring at HxD :P