Anyone ran 108 in 1 yellow Multi Cart with Super MVS converter 2?

It won't be a problem to take it apart fix it and get it back like new. Just takes the right tools and time and I have both. I also have all the newest games to test it on, it would be interesting to see how ms5 runs on it after the mod.

DavidG said:

It won't be a problem to take it apart fix it and get it back like new. Just takes the right tools and time and I have both. I also have all the newest games to test it on, it would be interesting to see how ms5 runs on it after the mod.

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Would you be able to document and take pics for the other folks with a P, like you did for the P1? We really should think of a better way to archive this stuff, so it doesn't go the way of the 7-wire mod and get lost to the sands of time.

Also, you wouldn't happen to have an extra cart casing lying around, would you? Hahahahahaha nevermind.

Logically all you have to connect are the high multiplexed C/S address lines, and clock signals for later games. It is absolutely not necessary to sacrifice any carts. To fix the sound you only need to bridge the two audio loops. I have the AES pinout traced somewhere, but I guess DavidG has that covered too

Since it was brought up again, I'll say it again, nobody is fixing (at least the majority of) SMVSCIIs, there is nothing to indicate that they are programmable. The only reasonable solution is to replace the CHA board. If DavidG doesn't make a replacement, I can, but I'd probably sooner make a whole new converter.

I do have a case on hand and will mod it to fit. Pictures will be no problem we just need someone to sticky the post for us.

DavidG said:

I do have a case on hand and will mod it to fit. Pictures will be no problem we just need someone to sticky the post for us.

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I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what you can do with it. I sent it out this morning, so hopefully you'll have it sometime next week.

Did you catch the question about the battery? I wonder if maybe somebody intended to add high score functionality to it or something?

I don't suppose you have a multicart, do you? I'm really curious if the P would've run one unmodded. I'm also wondering if I can run a 150-in-1 with my old skool MAS mod, or if I need a unibios.

The battery, I can't see the underside of the board yet but going on what I can see if it were installed it looks like it would power the near by socket which could be a rom or power the mvs cart. Looks more like it powers the mvs cart. Adding this for mvs carts won't do anything for us but if it's intention was to power a SRAM cart that would make a lot of sense. Back when this came out the snes/genesis copiers were a big thing. If the aes would have come down in price but the games didn't that would have caused a lot of copiers or SRAM carts to pop up. But since not many people could afford the system not many invested in it. I have a MGD2 Neo set which I should revisit one of these days.

About the multicarts, I don't have one but did look into it, I can get one for around $150 shipped new. If you can run that cart in a 4 slot board with a standard bios it can be made to work on any aes with converter and standard bios. I have a first gen aes upgraded to mvs, it would be interesting to test how the cart runs and why these carts are giving people trouble. For some 3-x aes boards keep in mind that power is a concern with normal carts, the 100+ carts might use even more so try the smvs adapter when using a multicart.

DavidG said:

The battery, I can't see the underside of the board yet but going on what I can see if it were installed it looks like it would power the near by socket which could be a rom or power the mvs cart. Looks more like it powers the mvs cart. Adding this for mvs carts won't do anything for us but if it's intention was to power a SRAM cart that would make a lot of sense. Back when this came out the snes/genesis copiers were a big thing. If the aes would have come down in price but the games didn't that would have caused a lot of copiers or SRAM carts to pop up. But since not many people could afford the system not many invested in it. I have a MGD2 Neo set which I should revisit one of these days.

About the multicarts, I don't have one but did look into it, I can get one for around $150 shipped new. If you can run that cart in a 4 slot board with a standard bios it can be made to work on any aes with converter and standard bios. I have a first gen aes upgraded to mvs, it would be interesting to test how the cart runs and why these carts are giving people trouble. For some 3-x aes boards keep in mind that power is a concern with normal carts, the 100+ carts might use even more so try the smvs adapter when using a multicart.

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I thought the bios issue had something to do with the menus on the cart but I can't remember. FYI, in case you haven't seen it already:

http://www.mvs-scans.com/index.php/Multigame_150_in_1_Series_1

Also, my Neo is an early 5v model, sn: 027xxx, if it matters.

How hard would it be to take an existing 150-in-1 cart and swap out the hacks for a full set of normal roms?

Neo Geo SRAM cart??? A coin cell power the MVS cart??? DIP24 ROM??? You've got to be joking on all fronts...

Obviously the battery and U4 pads are for a 0.6" 6116 SRAM == built memory card. U3 probably fits a 16L8 as an address decoder. DavidG, as a professional reverse engineer you should know that... >_< Not calling charlatan yet, but seriously WTF?

I was looking at that site a few days ago, very nice shots of the boards. Like unsaid there are so many roms on the board power could be a problem for the 3-x 9v-12v neos. The 5v first gen and the 5v 3-4 won't be a problem.

Swapping games, you have two sides to that request. You have hardware and software. On the hardware side it's not a problem, software is another story. I have a sound understanding of the software side but don't do much on that end of things. I might be off a little but how it should be setup is like this. There is a large pool or memory for gfx, sound and program - size for this example doesn't matter. The menu starts the system and each title you select simply points to a location in memory. Once you have the memory address list you can swap out games without a problem. If a game is 200meg but you want a 400 in it's place you would have to move the address for the next game and all ones after if you had the extra 200 to spare.

If I had to tackle this on my own without any sw guru's help I would dump the entire cart then grab the rom for each game. I would do a file search for the first gap of let's say ms1's program from the programs memory dump, we know it's in there and once it finds it we now know the starting address for ms1. I would have to do that for P/S/V/C/M for every game. Or if someone knows how to code they could get the list for us from the program rom menu.

Kyuusaku said:

Neo Geo SRAM cart??? A coin cell power the MVS cart??? DIP24 ROM??? You've got to be joking on all fronts...

Obviously the battery and U4 pads are for a 0.6" 6116 SRAM == built memory card. U3 probably fits a 16L8 as an address decoder. DavidG, as a professional reverse engineer you should know that... >_< Not calling charlatan yet, but seriously WTF?

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I remember your post about how no aes cart uses the diode when I made the post on how to fix the p1's gfx board. That was short lived when I showed a picture of one that uses it. I thought I made myself clear when I said I couldn't see both sides of the board and by the look of things it's going up into the cart on vcc which does nothing for a mvs cart. Honestly if you have nothing positive to add move on to the next post.

DavidG said:

I remember your post about how no aes cart uses the diode when I made the post on how to fix the p1's gfx board. That was short lived when I showed a picture of one that uses it. I thought I made myself clear when I said I couldn't see both sides of the board and by the look of things it's going up into the cart on vcc which does nothing for a mvs cart. Honestly if you have nothing positive to add move on to the next post.

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OK, I was wrong about carts containing the diode, but the diode is neither here nor there since the ZMC2 runs off 5V; I presented a counter argument for the actual problem (switching thresholds) and you never refuted it or to my knowledge bothered to comment further.

So far you've displayed an ability to allegedly network and throw cash at things to pull apart for empirical examination, but that doesn't substantiate all of the claims which are either grandiose or uncharacteristically underwhelming. You also haven't yet used the correct language or displayed any sensibilities of someone actually familiar with digital design, only minimal component exposure.

Maybe you're a genius who can't write, or someone who doesn't yet know/care about the nuances of things, I don't know, but I do know that non-technical gaming forums are fertile ground for tech quacks and it pisses me off.

You're right though, I know I'm coming across as a dick so I'll be on my way and let this thread be. There's so much noise around here few people listen to me anyway.

you're a funny guy. You remind me of my old boss from years ago. You make it sound like I owe you something and I don't. This isn't the neogeo engineering forum so why would I want to speak on that level?

I said I would fix the SS issue on the P1 - a 11 year old issue left unfixed. I fixed it.

I said I would fix the playmore games on the P1 - 8 year old problem left unfixed. I fixed it and I will post how soon.

I said I would reverse a handful of custom neo chips - this has nothing to do with you on any level.

I said I would fix the P from this post - a 10-15 year problem left unfixed. Wait a week and I will fix it.

If you know so much more then everyone else then why haven't you helped with any of this? If you don't care about helping or you don't care about the topic why bother now?

Your problem is within your last post, not with me. You say no one listens but they do it's just that most (myself included) don't like dealing with dicks and as you said yourself you are one.

I would like I say sorry to those here as I have tried to stay on topic but sometimes a dick comes along and fucks everything up.

Stop childish arguing in my thread please, both of you.

grimm said:

Stop childish arguing in my thread please, both of you.

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Yes, because that's how n-g.com works. Welcome to the internet bub.

You might do well not to insult 2 of the main people who're trying to help you with "your" thread.

Billkwando said:

Yes, because that's how n-g.com works. Welcome to the internet bub.

You might do well not to insult 2 of the main people who're trying to help you with "your" thread.

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How is it insulting telling them to stop? And dont patronize me, ive done nothing to you.

I seen a post online for the 150 in 1 and they say it works fine on the multislot boards. Does it work better on the older 4 and 6 and not as well on the newer 1's?

grimm said:

How is it insulting telling them to stop? And dont patronize me, ive done nothing to you.

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Yes, because calling people who're trying to resolve your issue "childish" isn't patronizing? The respectful thing would be to sit back and let the people who know more than you fight it out. It's not like the thread had devolved into "yo momma" jokes.

While they may have been arguing, they were arguing on topic. Whining about it benefits nobody. More useful info could potentially be learned from people arguing and proving their point than from just telling them to shut up.

Besides, I dunno if you've noticed, but n-g.com doesn't have an enforced group-hug policy. That was my earlier point.

Edit: I will admit that I was tempted to post something like "Why are mommy and daddy fighting!?!" or something like that, but nothing insulting to either individual.

Billkwando said:

Yes, because calling people who're trying to resolve your issue "childish" isn't patronizing? The respectful thing would be to sit back and let the people who know more than you fight it out. It's not like the thread had devolved into "yo momma" jokes.

While they may have been arguing, they were arguing on topic. Whining about it benefits nobody. More useful info could potentially be learned from people arguing and proving their point than from just telling them to shut up.

Besides, I dunno if you've noticed, but n-g.com doesn't have an enforced group-hug policy. That was my earlier point.

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Talk about exagerating..

Just coz some people are pricks when they dont have to take the consequenses of their actions doesnt mean everyone wants to be one (as you act and implicated by your "internet" remark). Not trying to insult everyone at every chance you get is not the same as a inforcing a group-hug policy. Its being civil. That was MY point. Besides, perhaps YOUR patronizing was as unecessary as MY comment telling them to stop, by your own reasoning, so try following your own reasoning next time?

The argument sounded more like my e-dick is bigger than your e-dick and didnt really have anything to do with either my initial problem, or your discussion with DavidG about your converter. Telling them to stop that irrelevant argument is not disrespecting anyone.

Im gonna ignore what you have to say from now on since what you've just said in your post are your own assumptions alone, and just an intention to start a NEW argument. Im not looking to make either friends or enemies here, so I wont bite any further, go play in the war room.

grimm said:

Talk about exagerating..

Just coz some people are pricks when they dont have to take the consequenses of their actions doesnt mean everyone wants to be one (as you act and implicated by your "internet" remark). Not trying to insult everyone at every chance you get is not the same as a inforcing a group-hug policy. Its being civil. That was MY point. Besides, perhaps YOUR patronizing was as unecessary as MY comment telling them to stop, by your own reasoning, so try following your own reasoning next time?

The argument sounded more like my e-dick is bigger than your e-dick and didnt really have anything to do with either my initial problem, or your discussion with DavidG about your converter. Telling them to stop that irrelevant argument is not disrespecting anyone.

Im gonna ignore what you have to say from now on since what you've just said in your post are your own assumptions alone, and just an intention to start a NEW argument. Im not looking to make either friends or enemies here, so I wont bite any further, go play in the war room.

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Yo momma.

(In reality, I recognize your point and respect your opinion.)

Update: My converter arrived safely to DavidG in Canada, without being abducted by aliens or customs! Hopefully we'll be seeing some neat stuff soon!

grimm, I use the 108 in 1 via the Super Converter II in my AES all the time and it works great. The cart was a bit too tight for the converter and my MVS cabinet so I moved its guts to a Sam Sho MVS case. After putting it in that case I haven't had a single issue with messed up graphics or sound. (besides for the games that just wont wont right on the AES)

Official Ninja said:

grimm, I use the 108 in 1 via the Super Converter II in my AES all the time and it works great. The cart was a bit too tight for the converter and my MVS cabinet so I moved its guts to a Sam Sho MVS case. After putting it in that case I haven't had a single issue with messed up graphics or sound. (besides for the games that just wont wont right on the AES)

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Ok this is just pissing me off now.. Thank you for the information, and its certainly not you who is pissing me off, but the fact the cart plays perfectly in the MVS board i tested it on, but not good at all in _my_ converter, but does so in yours. Granted, i have not tried switching the case, but might as well try it now that i know the cart does infact work in an MVS, so i wont have to keep it sealed to get a replacement or refund. Welink.cc hasnt even responded to my last email about it all anyway..

I will do what you did, and try it in my World Heroes 2 MVS case, which is a game that also works fine in the MVS board, but not at all with my converter. i have a few mvs-carts i can laborate with and see what happens..

Thanks for letting me know Ninja.

FYI. Looks like the discussion of my converter has moved to the Pranslation thread:

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148091