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Who do you want to do it? Not us, I hope.
The Middle East Uprisings: video, links, and more
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bokmeow
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There are accounts of military police coming out to crackdown on protesters at Tahrir Square.
http://www.arabawy.org/2011/02/26/army-fuckers/
Military showing its true face.
http://www.arabawy.org/2011/02/26/army-fuckers/
Military showing its true face.
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LOL, I'm shocked and dismayed you'd even suggest that.
Although it would just take a single CIA drone with a hellfire missile to take out Gadaffi...
The people of Libya will soon overthrow Gadaffi - it's just a matter of time.
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Although it would just take a single CIA drone with a hellfire missile to take out Gadaffi...
Why don't we just send a missile into his other son's tent. Last time we did that he shut up for a few decades.
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That is far from being a certainty. Never underestimate the interests of big business, and the normalizing [diplomatic] language of the Western superpowers that want to raid resources for their own.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...gn=Feed:+latimes/europe+(L.A.+Times+-+Europe)
Bump.
And people looked at me weird when I said that the Muslim Brotherhood wasn't the real threat and to keep an eye on the military.
Bump.
And people looked at me weird when I said that the Muslim Brotherhood wasn't the real threat and to keep an eye on the military.
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People look at you weird, but it's not for that...
Busy weekend, I gotta do some updates later today or tomorrow. Add Oman, and expand Morocco and Iraq.
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Believe in something other than cynicism for once.
I think the people giving you funny looks were morons.
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It's not cynicism — it's being realistic.
Businesses spent so much money and political capital to get Libya's resources and contracts, and they won't give it up easily.
Now that the UN has voted for sanction, and including a rare US vote, it might really be just a matter of time for Gaddafi.
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I really do think Gaddafi's time is drawing to an end - it sounds like the people are willing to fight to overthrow him. If the country descended in to a bloody war it would only be a matter of time before he was killed - now the outcome of said conflict might not be pretty and I hope it doesn't come to that.
I don't think the business interests can realistically work with a dictator who has had the army shoot on his own people and possible use airstrikes against them. The home countries of those business wouldn't stand for it, especially given the revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia.
I could be wrong, of course, I'm just hoping for some change over in that part of the world.
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Despite my recent inattention, Libya is still quite hot:
Gahdafi is still alive and getting crazier and more murderous by the minute...
He's holed in Tripoli with his loyal supporters and fellow tribe-members/family in a a pro-government "zone" in the North-West part of the country. However, most of the rest of country, included the heavily-populated East, and oil-producing South, are in pro-democratic/anti-Gahdafi hands.
There's still shelling and half-assed airstrikes, and on the ground, he's sending a counter-offensive of loyalist death-squads into nearby towns and cities not under his direct control to do their bloody work, but the pro-democratic/anti-Gahdafi forces are putting up fierce resistance.
The U.S. and U.K. are talking about drafting a UN resolution to establish a no-fly-zone to stop those airstrikes, and the U.K. is even talking about preemptively establishing a no-fly-zone without waiting for the slow-ass UN to act.
Gahdafi is still alive and getting crazier and more murderous by the minute...
He's holed in Tripoli with his loyal supporters and fellow tribe-members/family in a a pro-government "zone" in the North-West part of the country. However, most of the rest of country, included the heavily-populated East, and oil-producing South, are in pro-democratic/anti-Gahdafi hands.
There's still shelling and half-assed airstrikes, and on the ground, he's sending a counter-offensive of loyalist death-squads into nearby towns and cities not under his direct control to do their bloody work, but the pro-democratic/anti-Gahdafi forces are putting up fierce resistance.
The U.S. and U.K. are talking about drafting a UN resolution to establish a no-fly-zone to stop those airstrikes, and the U.K. is even talking about preemptively establishing a no-fly-zone without waiting for the slow-ass UN to act.
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Amateur video of anti-Gahdafi forces engaging pro-government forces near Brega in North-Western Libya, near the border with Tunisia on the Mediterranean (apologies for it being shitty, buggy, Facebook video, though)
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That battle is a good example of why there's an American 2nd amendment: it isn't for hunting, it isn't for self/home-defense, and it isn't of recreational shooting, it's for THIS.
Granted, the pro-democracy/anti-Gahdafi partisans aren't holding off the 101st Airborne or U.S. Marines, just Sub-Saharan mercs and a mixed bunch of Pro-Gahdaffi Army and Pro-Government partisans yahoos, but they managed to protect their town and prevent further atrocities by being a hard-enough target to deter attackers operating under orders of a tyrant.
Granted, the pro-democracy/anti-Gahdafi partisans aren't holding off the 101st Airborne or U.S. Marines, just Sub-Saharan mercs and a mixed bunch of Pro-Gahdaffi Army and Pro-Government partisans yahoos, but they managed to protect their town and prevent further atrocities by being a hard-enough target to deter attackers operating under orders of a tyrant.
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Israel provides mercenaries for Gadaffi?
ok WTF is going on
ok WTF is going on
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What's happening is that Israel has been exposed as what it's always been -- a belligerent state entity.
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I call bullshit. If it were up to proper Israeli soldiers/mercs the whole mess would have been over and done with in 8 days.
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Israeli company, not Israeli government.
EDIT: Isn't PressTV sponsored by the Iranian government?
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Sorry, but the Israeli company would not do this without tacit support from the Israeli government.
Israel has such a problem with its high dropout rate — and suicide rate — in the military service, much of its occupation apparatus in the oPT are manned in a mixture of IDF + mercenaries aka military contractor.
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It's easy enough to for people to conflate criticism of Israel with antisemitism without your help.
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What conflation?!
It's not like anyone one genuinely gives a shit about Palestinians (Like how everyone gave a shit about Turks/Armenians, Sunnis/Kurds, Tutsis/Hutus, or Serbs/Croats, Russians/Chechinans, ect, ect... *), they are a mere idealogical proxy for the fashionable modern anti-Semite.
At the moment (hopefully that will change in the near-future), there is exactly ONE Western Democracy in the middle-east, which also happens to be the one non-Islamist state in the region, which has been tuned into equal-parts whipping-boy (by countries which by-no-means are without sin) and boogie-man ("Submit to my dictatorial rule or the evil jews will eat you!" or, alternatively; "Enforce the strictest interpretations of Sharia law or the evil jews will eat you!") BECAUSE it is a (mostly**) Jewish state.
*Palestinians and Tibetans are somehow super-special exceptions, although Tibetans aren't launching rockets at schools and blowing up buses full of Han Chinese children...
**There ARE Muslim Israeli Arabs, who enjoy greater religious, political, and personal freedom than fellow Muslim Arabs contemporaries in neighboring Lebanon, Jordan and Syria. Heh.
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Like it or not Israel is basically a theocratic apartheid state. Only it's okay because they aren't Muslim.