The Middle East Uprisings: video, links, and more

DemiAngel

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Good for the Egyptian people...I hope they are relentless and do not give up. And I hope this strife continues from oppressive country to oppressive country.
 

NeoTheranthrope

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The 4:00PM curfew is set to be put into effect in less than an hour. The curfew set last night was supposed to be enforced by the police and everyone effectively told the cops to fuck themselves and rioted anyways.

However, today's curfew is supposed to be enforced by the military. So far, the Egyptian military has been cool with the protesters.

They've been protecting government buildings and important infrastructure, and even have been acting as law enforcement (as the police and secret police are, for full intents and purposes, in hiding), going so far as directing traffic.

On the other side, the protesters have been going up to soldiers showing them love: giving them tea, shaking their hands, giving them flowers, taking pictures, shouting pro-army chants, ect.

Now the question is... When the order comes down from the President (and it WILL come down): What will the army do?
 

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Oddly enough, I don't share Nesagwas cautious pessimism.

These guys who are protesting are in it for themselves; nobody is flying any islamic banners or shouting Admiral Hu Ackbar.

I think this one might be for real, and that excites me.


It could be the beginning of a new renaissance in the Arab world, one that casts off the shackles of fear and oppression. A return to their glory days of math, science and culture. Before Islam turned them into hut dwelling, women hating asswipes who pray face down/ass up to a moon genie 5 times a day.


I congratulate these rioters for having balls like they do.
This is what REAL democracy is all about.
None of this shit we have with rigged voting machines, and bought off candidates who wipe their asses with our money on things we never asked for.

Nope, this is real fuckin' democracy, boys.
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Oddly enough, I don't share Nesagwas cautious pessimism.

These guys who are protesting are in it for themselves; nobody is flying any islamic banners or shouting Admiral Hu Ackbar.

I think this one might be for real, and that excites me.


It could be the beginning of a new renaissance in the Arab world, one that casts off the shackles of fear and oppression. A return to their glory days of math, science and culture. Before Islam turned them into hut dwelling, women hating asswipes who pray face down/ass up to a moon genie 5 times a day.


I congratulate these rioters for having balls like they do.
This is what REAL democracy is all about.
None of this shit we have with rigged voting machines, and bought off candidates who wipe their asses with our money on things we never asked for.

Nope, this is real fuckin' democracy, boys.
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The truly awesome thing is the protesters are policing THEMSELVES. Now that the hated secret police are currently (temporarily?) out of the picture, the protesters are trying to keep the peace by shouting down and/or beating looters and vandals.
 

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Update: according one Al Jazeera commentator, the government deliberately released prisoners and set them loose on one of Cairo's richest neighborhood to intentally loot and disrupt. The released prisoners proceeded to (were allowed to?) raid an empty police station, where they armed themselves with police weapons, and are currently shooting at protesters and bystanders.

Edit: some of the "looters" were apprehended by protesters and property owners, and were found carrying secret police IDs...
 
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Update: according one Al Jazeera commentator the government intentionally released prisoners and let them loose on one of Cairo's richest neighborhood to loot and disrupt. The released prisoners (were allowed to?) raided an empty police station, were they armed themselves, and are currently shooting at protesters and bystanders.

Reminds me of those cops we have in our summit meetings who dress up as anarchists, beat people up, smash property and sometimes they even set fire to old police cars just to discredit the protesters and justify harder police crackdowns.

But this is way worse.
If they start hanging these politicians from lamp posts, I'd say it couldn't happen to a more deserving government.
 

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They just broke into one of the museums and started breaking glass. That's some sad shit right there.
 

Poonman

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Penny for your thoughts, Poppo?


I think I know what that meant, but I wanna be sure lol.
 

Marek

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Penny for your thoughts, Poppo?


I think I know what that meant, but I wanna be sure lol.

Museum looting/thrashing is completely despicable. FUUUUUUUUUUUck that.


Also Wayne is a huge fucking pussy, but thats not a surprise.
 

Poonman

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Museum looting/thrashing is despicable. FUUUUUUUUUUUck that.


Also Wayne is a huge fucking pussy, but thats not a surprise.

Oh hahaha.
I thought you were raging because Duque didn't make a correlation between the reports of looting and the intentionally released convicts NeoTheranthrope was talking about.
 

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Umm "THEY RAIDED AN EMNPTY POLICE STATION AND ARMED THEMSELVES WITH GUNS"

You've got to be fucking kidding me....


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Thats a fucking disgrace.
 

Poonman

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That's how low governments will stoop when they don't have a bottomless pit of money like the US govt does.

I wonder how much of their military spending is allocated to creating contingencies for things like this?
 

Lagduf

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I wonder how much of their military budget is supplied by the USA.
 

aria

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I wonder how much of their military budget is supplied by the USA.

Please, we supply aid. Creative accounting on the other side turns it into weapons. :p

And yes, we're threatening tightening the purse-strings.
 

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As has been mentioned in thread, the general consensus, even among Western media, is that Al Jazeera is doing the best job of covering what's going on. Live feed (in English) here: http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

Some dramatic clips from Al Jazeera, the AP and other agencies --you want to see what it's like to be in the middle of an uprising? Now you can:

(as you can see, the military appears to have stayed neutral, it's police vs. protesters at the moment)









the opening footage is just tragic




A massive, still peaceful protest from earlier:


The New York Times lede blog is also pretty good at adding information that's at least been somewhat vetted:

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/29/latest-updates-on-protests-in-egypt-2/


The police have been targeting Western journalists.
 

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Its been interesting to read about the things going on.

I've been in two riots, in one I got a first hand view from the side due to my work with handling press logistics during a major political convention (rubber bullets were everywhere and all that protected us was a chain link fence). The second I got caught in tear gas despite not being in group (and tear gas does indeed suck). Still, nothing like this stuff.

Anyway, here's one of the better articles I read this morning, there are some great moments and visuals in this story of the street battles in Alexandria. I highlighted a few better parts.

January 28, 2011
In Alexandria, Protesters Rout the Police, for Now
By NICHOLAS KULISH and SOUAD MEKHENNET - NY TIMES

ALEXANDRIA, Egypt — For one day, in this historic Mediterranean city, the protesters won outright.

Alexandria was the scene of some of the fiercest fighting in the country on Friday as riot police officers fired tear-gas canisters and rubber bullets and protesters hurled paving stones in more than two hours of pitched battle.

In the end, the police capitulated in the face of too many protests around the city with too many determined demonstrators for them to contain. The police retreated, leaving the city in the hands of protesters for several hours, as police cars, the regional party headquarters and the provincial government office burned.

“There is no government in Alexandria now,” said Muhammad Ahmed Ibrahim, 32. “They are all in hiding.”

After darkness fell, soldiers in tanks and armored personnel carriers were welcomed with cheers in downtown Alexandria, perhaps a sign of Alexandrians’ relief that some semblance of order would be retained after the destruction of a day spent venting pent-up anger.

“The people set fire to the police station in Sharq,” said Abdullah Hassan al-Banna, 30, one of the demonstrators, referring to part of eastern Alexandria. “The people set tires on fire and threw them into the governorate” — the government building. “We pulled down all the posters of Hosni Mubarak,” Egypt’s president.

Late Friday, downtown Alexandria was choked with smoke that blotted out the sunset. Flames licked the sides of a downtown tram station.

One man stood on a police troop carrier holding up a giant Egyptian flag as police officers inside the vehicle smiled and waved their fingers through the grates.

“The people wanted to show their resistance to the regime, but I don’t think they had any idea they would overpower it,” said Peter Bouckaert, emergencies director of Human Rights Watch, who observed the street fighting in Alexandria on Friday.

“For the first time in the history of the Mubarak regime, the capacity of the police was completely exhausted,” Mr. Bouckaert said. “The police state broke down today.”

Such scenes seemed all but impossible when Friday Prayer ended, with police attacking demonstrators as they streamed out of mosques and into the streets intent on marching in protest.

[highlight]“They attacked us as we came out of the mosque, trying to put our shoes on,” said Salah Muhammad, 25, who had his arm around his 12-year-old brother.[/highlight] He said they had been inside the Sidi Beshr Mosque, at a site where one of many pitched street battles broke out.

At first the police seemed to have the situation under control, pushing hundreds of protesters back with barrage after barrage of tear gas. But thousands more demonstrators approached, and the riot police officers found themselves outnumbered.

[highlight]Several women dropped bottles and even chairs from the windows of apartment buildings onto the police. Officers were pelted with stones from rooftops and even from the walled graveyard behind the mosque. Tear-gas canisters came flying back, and several police officers vomited as the fumes overwhelmed them.[/highlight]

[highlight]Demonstrators with raised arms walked up to a green truck where a helmeted officer was firing tear gas canisters not into the air but straight into protesters’ bodies.

During the fighting outside the mosque, the crowd chanted “salmiya, salmiya,” which means “peaceful.” A man in a striped shirt came forward and knelt in front of the truck.

The police massed behind their shields, clutching their batons, but did not strike. “Enough,” police called over their loudspeakers. “Stop young men. Let it be finished.”[/highlight]

In a sign of flagging resolve, the police began to retreat and then stopped fighting entirely. It was unclear whether this was an ordered police retreat or a spontaneous, and disorganized, reaction to the situation.

[highlight]After the two-hour street battle ended, protesters and police officers shook hands on the same street corner where minutes before they were exchanging volleys of stones, and tear-gas canisters were arcing through the sky.

Riot police officers and kaffiyeh-wearing youths smiled and shared water bottles as piles of tires still burned. Then thousands lined the coastal road, the gentle green waves of the Mediterranean Sea at their backs, as they got on their knees and prayed.[/highlight]

Such were the incongruities on a day that began quietly as always on Friday, the Muslim holy day, but soon gave way to the unrest and tensions gripping much of the country.

“We wanted this to be a peaceful demonstration,” said Ahmed Muhammad Saleh, 26, as he recounted how the police attacked the crowd as it emerged from the mosque. “But we are all Egyptians,” he said of making up with the police.

Mr. Saleh pulled up a pant leg, showing the red welt where a rubber bullet had struck him above his ankle, saying he had been tear-gassed three times. A boy in a yellow shirt pulled a spent canister from his pocket, a huge smile on his face as he held it up as a prize.

After the clash, tens of thousands of protesters from around the city marched along the Corniche, the main boulevard along the Mediterranean, chanting for an end to the government of President Mubarak.

“I am the father of a 1-year-old daughter, and since I was growing up I’ve seen Mubarak,” said Muhammad Abdelmunmin, 30. “I don’t want my daughter to live under the same dictatorship.”

Elsewhere in the city, witnesses said protesters overwhelmed the police, seizing their shields, helmets and batons and burning their trucks. Honking cars weaved through the crowd, as the people inside them waved the captured police equipment as trophies.

Witnesses said angry demonstrators carried the body of a slain protester, and numerous injured civilians and police officers were being treated at the scene, but casualty figures were unclear with phones and the Internet down.

As darkness fell over Alexandria, the streets began to clear with word of a military curfew. A few hundred protesting men marched, chanting, “Enough, enough,” and, “Leave, Hosni.” Still, the celebratory mood had turned ominous, and many were relieved to see the military arrive.

“Someone has to control the situation,” said Amr Muhammad, 42.

But Mr. Ibrahim spoke for many when he expressed concerns about the intentions of the military. “We don’t know if the army is with us or against us, so it’s a bad thing,” he said.

That sort of reporting makes me want to be a journalist.
 

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It could be the beginning of a new renaissance in the Arab world, one that casts off the shackles of fear and oppression. A return to their glory days of math, science and culture. Before Islam turned them into hut dwelling, women hating asswipes who pray face down/ass up to a moon genie 5 times a day.

If that happens, American foreign interventionists will take credit for it. I've already seen some neocons throwing around the phrase "Domino Theory II."
 

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Museum looting/thrashing is completely despicable. FUUUUUUUUUUUck that.


Also Wayne is a huge fucking pussy, but thats not a surprise.

Sorry if I'm not immediately on the "Yeehaw Revolution!" bandwagon when things like this happen.

I never said I wasn't on their side, I said I didn't know if the military and government would go down as quickly as it did in Tunisia.
 

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They're also reporting now that citizen groups have started to guard the museums and pushed away the looters.

Two mummies were destroyed though.
 

Poonman

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Probably the mummies.

As funny as this exchange is, I'm really starting to feel like a dick for being so entertained by all of this.

Thanks to Bobaks post (and I sincerely mean it) that footage of a man getting murdered by police just screwed my head back on pretty quickly.

For all the violent and idiotic shit I say and advocate, this was like having a bucket of ice water dumped on me.
 
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