Are lasers protected by the second amendment?

galfordo

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Pssh... in this day and age the 2nd Amendment is pretty worthless as the well regulated militias that a bunch of kooky survivalists could put together would be quickly dispatched by the level of the American military. They might have been able to cause trouble in the late 1700s (and even then not really), but now the actual military is too strong for them to ever be anything more than the kids in Red Dawn (which is probably among their favorite fapping material).

The only solution is to arm back-mountain militias with rocket launchers and lasers. Just in case that Barack Hussein Obama decides to get all uppity. :smirk:

damn i didn't realize how strong our military was

i thought we were struggling over in afghanistan getting humbled by guys with bent ak's living off 3 meals per week
 

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Pocket green lasers aren't weapons, so not sure what the 2nd amendment has to do with them.

They're can cause chaos if abused, but so can gasoline.
 

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damn i didn't realize how strong our military was

i thought we were struggling over in afghanistan getting humbled by guys with bent ak's living off 3 meals per week

Psshh, someone's been drinking the liberal kool-aid. :shame:

(And yes, I see the irony.)

I'd take the US military unleashed on any militia stupid enough to fight them, any day. There are enough Afghan lunatics to keep supplementing all the ones we keep wasting --sort of like the Viet Cong (glares at 'duf)-- but I don't see the wacko-survivalist population matching those kinds of numbers. Mostly because we're all much more comfortable in our lives than some of us care to acknowledge.
 

KagerouSama

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What fiddle faddle!
This three day waiting period on doomsday devices is outrageous!
Today, it's the mad scientist!
Tomorrow, it's the mad grad student!

Personally, I never go anywhere without my mutated anthrax...



...for duck huntin'!
 

Ruell

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Hmmmm.... Are lasers considered weapons. No. Are they covered by the 2nd amendment no. They can be regulated in the future though. Most cheap lasers are just that, cheap lasers for novelty. It gets bad though when you get one of those semi high powered lasers than can still be seen over a mile away. I think some states have made it illegal to buy/sell lasers from a local store. I know that it has been an issue at sporting events in recent years though. a basketball player trying to make free-throws and then shot with a laser in the eyes comes to mind.
 

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The Second Amendment protects the rights of all non-prohibited persons legally residing in the United States to purchase firearms. So resident aliens can legally purchase firearms in this country.

There is a court case upcoming seeking to allow US citizens who who reside outside of the United States to purchase firearms when they do come to the USA.
 

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The Vietnamese have defeated three of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council.

No other state boasts such a record.

I'll buy a Vietnamese citizen a drink anywhere, any time.
 

Lagduf

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And I'd have Vo Nguyen Giap autograph my reproduction of the Declaration of Independence if given the chance.
 

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More on lasers.

Fun facts:
  • the FDA's legal limit on laser power is 5-milliwatts
  • You can by 100-milliwatt pointer for $28
  • The disconnect? The limit is on "laser pointers", so as long as the laser pointer isn't labeled as such, it's not a problem.
  • A 100-watt incandescent bulb produces about five watts of visible light; the five-milliwatt laser is only one-thousandth as powerful. But because the light from a bulb is diffuse and a laser beam is concentrated, the effect of five milliwatts on the eye is 10,000 times as intense.

A few other fun facts scattered in this article about the rise in injuries by more powerful lasers:

February 28, 2011
Lasers Rise as Threat to Retinas
By CHRISTINE NEGRONI

So far, the reports have been scattered and anecdotal. But eye doctors around the world are warning that recent cases of teenagers who suffered eye damage while playing with high-powered green laser pointers are likely to be just the first of many.

“I am certain that this is the beginning of a trend,” said Dr. Martin Schmid, a Swiss ophthalmologist who reported one such case last September in The New England Journal of Medicine.

The pointers, which have also been implicated in a ninefold increase over five years in reports of lasers’ being aimed at airplanes, are easier than ever to order online, doctors say — even though they are 10 to 20 times as powerful as the legal limit set by the Food and Drug Administration.

At the American Association of Ophthalmologists, a spokeswoman said the group was unaware of any increase in eye injuries caused by lasers. But doctors interviewed for this article said they were shocked by the easy availability of high-powered lasers.

Not long ago a high school student went to see Dr. Robert G. Josephberg, a retina specialist at Westchester Medical Center in Valhalla, N.Y., complaining of a blind spot in his left eye. The boy, who did not want to be identified, said the injury occurred when a friend waved a green laser pointer in front of his face.(Whether it will heal completely is uncertain.)

Dr. Josephberg said that at first he doubted the story. “I didn’t believe that a green laser was out there that could cause the damage,” he said.

But it turned out the laser put out 50 milliwatts of power, 10 times the F.D.A. limit. And as he investigated his patient’s case, Dr. Josephberg went online and bought a 100-milliwatt pointer for $28. He could hardly believe how easy it was.

“I kept waiting for the error message telling me I could not complete the purchase,” he said.

Like household lights, lasers are measured in watts, but the similarity ends there. A 100-watt incandescent bulb produces about five watts of visible light; the five-milliwatt laser is only one-thousandth as powerful. But because the light from a bulb is diffuse and a laser beam is concentrated, the effect of five milliwatts on the eye is 10,000 times as intense, according to Samuel M. Goldwasser, a laser expert and author of the online guide Sam’s Laser FAQ.

Dr. Jerald A. Bovino of the American Retina Foundation says the way the eye focuses can also intensify the laser.

“It is going to the fovea, the center of the retina,” he said. The darker pigment in the fovea absorbs the light as heat, quickly raising the temperature of the retina the same way a black car seat gets hot as it absorbs the sun.

Dr. Kimia Ziahosseini of the St. Paul’s Eye Unit at Royal Liverpool University Hospital in England says the dangers are so acute that even the F.D.A.’s five-milliwatt limit is too high.

“Laser pointers available for sale to general public should be less than one milliwatt,” she said. “Anything more than this puts people at risk by the criminally minded or those who are unaware of the risks.”

In a consumer update in December, the F.D.A. said it was aware that illegal laser pointers were being sold and warned that “a higher-powered laser gives you less time to look away before injury can occur, and as power increases, eye damage may happen in a microsecond.”

Daniel Hewett, a health promotion officer at the agency, said by e-mail, “There are many noncompliant products available for purchase from retailers, importers and, of course, via the Internet.” He noted that the agency had seized products from Wicked Lasers, an online store based in Hong Kong.

Sam Liu, chief executive of Wicked Lasers, said in an interview that its products did not violate the F.D.A. restrictions because those over the five-milliwatt limit were not called pointers.

Moreover, he added, “we make it extremely clear on our Web pages that these lasers are not only eye hazards but fire hazards.” And he said the company would begin offering laser safety lessons to its customers before online checkout.

Several laser experts say the enforcement of regulations is already insufficient and ineffective. “It’s a whole can of worms,” Dr. Goldwasser said, recalling that he recently received a 100-milliwatt laser as a gift from Wicked Lasers. To rein in all the hazardous products out there — from virtual stores to flea markets — would be impossible, he said.

And any talk of restricting availability is certain to meet resistance from the large community of laser enthusiasts, including those who use them professionally (like contractors and astronomers) and hobbyists like 18-year-old Alex Triano of Staten Island.

Since middle school, with his parents’ permission, Mr. Triano has been building lasers in his home, wearing safety goggles. “You learn so much in a hobby like this: electronics, soldering, physics,” he said. “And you learn about light, you learn about optics. You also learn a lot of mechanical things.”

The laser injuries Dr. Shepard Bryan has seen at his practice in Mesa, Ariz., involved red lasers, which laser fans like Mr. Triano consider passé. Green is more easily perceived by the eye and the beam is visible along its path.

But green lasers are also more dangerous. Green is more easily absorbed by the retina than red, so it requires less exposure to cause damage. (Dr. Bryan’s cases involved an 11-year-old girl who focused on the light as part of an endurance game and a young man who also looked directly into the pointer.)

“Right now I haven’t seen an epidemic of injuries,” Dr. Bryan said, but he added that the potential was there. “In the hands of children it’s a very scary proposition.”
 

Lagduf

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I need to get some of these high powered lasers before they get banned.
 

LoneSage

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why are people pointing lasers at airplanes? i had no idea this was such a problem.
 

evil wasabi

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why are people pointing lasers at airplanes? i had no idea this was such a problem.

have you ever tried pointing a laser at airplanes, or do you just want to condemn it because it seems strange and alien to you?
 

LoneSage

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i've never pointed a laser at anything. in middle school i was flabbergasted at how my public school brethren reacted in orgasmic fantasy at using a laser pointer anytime.


now, if i used a laser pointer, you'd be damn sure to get a treat. i'd be pointing lasers at everything man, everything. during lunch i'll point at your food while it goes in your mouth and narrate. shit like that. be glad I don't find laser pointers fascinating in the slightest.
 

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They aren't protected and they fall under the regulations of different industries, IIRC both the FCC and the FDA have something to do with them.

Now, this won't stop you from importing lasers well outside of the range deemed "safe" for use in laser pointers, building your own, or obtaining one for work/industrial use.

Their is currently a bit of hysteria because of the wicked lasers 1watt laser fiasco.

# the FDA's legal limit on laser power is 5-milliwatts
# You can by 100-milliwatt pointer for $28
# The disconnect? The limit is on "laser pointers", so as long as the laser pointer isn't labeled as such, it's not a problem.

That last part is where the stupid happens. You can't catch shit for having a stationary laser, but as soon as you turn it into a portable item people lose their fucking minds.

The problem is recent because wicked lasers, in a move of extreme idiocy, started selling ones way over the legal limit, the pointers look like light sabers, and had multiple videos of people burning things with them for fun.

Wicked lasers are pretty crap quality though, I wouldn't buy from them.

Nobody cared about this till one company started making cheap ass lasers and advertising them with people setting shit on fire, and of course, people went nuts.
 

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That last part is where the stupid happens. You can't catch shit for having a stationary laser, but as soon as you turn it into a portable item people lose their fucking minds.

The problem is recent because wicked lasers, in a move of extreme idiocy, started selling ones way over the legal limit, the pointers look like light sabers, and had multiple videos of people burning things with them for fun.

Wicked lasers are pretty crap quality though, I wouldn't buy from them.

Nobody cared about this till one company started making cheap ass lasers and advertising them with people setting shit on fire, and of course, people went nuts.

that's kind of the whole point in owning one. Hello.

I was never that great on the fencing team, but with a light sabre, I'd fucking rock. I'd just need to run the purchase by my wife first.
 

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My roomie bought some $150 green laser. Fucking thing's distance is crazy. Can see it on clouds way off in the distance. I got some squirrel in the eye with it, bastard spazzed, almost feel out of a tree.
 

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Pocket green lasers aren't weapons, so not sure what the 2nd amendment has to do with them.

They're can cause chaos if abused, but so can gasoline.

Yes, but the convenience and circumstances are quite different.

Edit: Oh, I didn't read the rest of the thread.

My roomie bought some $150 green laser. Fucking thing's distance is crazy. Can see it on clouds way off in the distance. I got some squirrel in the eye with it, bastard spazzed, almost feel out of a tree.

Should have doused it in gasoline.
 

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That would be a lot more efficient as a rifle.

If you build it, they will... fire.. it... or something.

As I understand it, it's extremely difficult to build a similar gun with a longer barrel - each "stage" (that is, a coil) needs to be smaller and smaller in proportion to the speed of the projectile minus drag on the barrel.... and the timing involved would require more than a cheap programmable microcontroller.

I don't think you can just have any easily built array of electromagnets with optical sensors controlling their cycles.

So, ya, for whatever that guy is selling them for, that thing is probably pretty damned efficient for some off-the-shelf stuff.

This would be cheaper and more efficient -



Magnets - 2nd amendment!
 
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