HeartlessNinny
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Really? Wow. I can honestly say I've never heard that one before.
Why not? It seems I have a lot more to learn about your beliefs than I thought.
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Really? Wow. I can honestly say I've never heard that one before.
Why not? It seems I have a lot more to learn about your beliefs than I thought.
zapatistab
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In a nut shell since this thread can last forever.
What I believe and it's Bible based, not my personal opinion.
God created the earth.
Created Adam and Eve.
Paradise and humans living forever was God's original purpose.
They Sinned...thats why we die.
The first prophecy in Genesis.
The Seed (Jesus) will get bruised in the heal, but the seed will bruise him (Satan) in the head.
Instruction was given for our benefit and to learn lessons
Jesus was born
Preached
Then was killed on a Stake
Don't believe was crucified on a cross
Jesus went to Heaven
Ok...here's the stuff that makes people think we are crazy and a cult even though it's in the Bible
Satan was cast out of Heaven and now causes havoc on the earth...more so than he did in the past
He influences all badness...man still has free will
We never blame God for badness
When Armageddon comes
Satan will be locked up for 1000 years and the earth's restoration will begin
If I died before all this occurred then I will be resurrected not go to Heaven
The righteous and unrighteous will be resurrected and given a second chance
Once he's released everyone who takes his side will be gone and Satan will follow and be done away with forever
Satan will be thrown into a lake of fire (not a literal one on earth
)The prophecy in Genesis will be fulfilled
Those who die during Armageddon will not return
Everyone else will live forever on a paradise earth
The 144,000 will rule with Jesus in heaven and take care of the earth
God's original purpose
I left some out...but thats most of it.
JW's in a nutshell
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That sounds super and everything, but in the second 'original purpose' paradise, will there not be apples? Will there not be free will? What stops the entire cycle from beginning all over again?
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So let me get this straight, you reject the "dogma of man" but latch onto interpretations of the old Testament as a metaphor for the birth of Jesus written in the Middle Ages?
Do you think the snake in the Garden was Satan too?
Do you think the snake in the Garden was Satan too?
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Apples never mentioned in the Bible. Also a medieval construct.
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Yeah, I know. But I say apples for convenience, since that is what most people are familiar with. Question stands.
zapatistab
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apples...apples specifically were never mentioned
no one knows whats gonna happened after everything is fulfilled
All I know...if I'm reborn perfect, I'm gonna live my life and not mess it up...Satan won't be around to influence people anymore
HeartlessNinny
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In a nut shell since this thread can last forever.
What I believe and it's Bible based, not my personal opinion.
God created the earth.
Created Adam and Eve.
Paradise and humans living forever was God's original purpose.
They Sinned...thats why we die.
The first prophecy in Genesis.
The Seed (Jesus) will get bruised in the heal, but the seed will bruise him (Satan) in the head.
Instruction was given for our benefit and to learn lessons
Jesus was born
Preached
Then was killed on a Stake
Don't believe was crucified on a cross
Jesus went to Heaven
Ok...here's the stuff that makes people think we are crazy and a cult even though it's in the Bible
Satan was cast out of Heaven and now causes havoc on the earth...more so than he did in the past
He influences all badness...man still has free will
We never blame God for badness
When Armageddon comes
Satan will be locked up for 1000 years and the earth's restoration will begin
If I died before all this occurred then I will be resurrected not go to Heaven
The righteous and unrighteous will be resurrected and given a second chance
Once he's released everyone who takes his side will be gone and Satan will follow and be done away with forever
Satan will be thrown into a lake of fire (not a literal one on earth
The prophecy in Genesis will be fulfilled
Those who die during Armageddon will not return
Everyone else will live forever on a paradise earth
The 144,000 will rule with Jesus in heaven and take care of the earth
God's original purpose
I left some out...but thats most of it.
JW's in a nutshell
Besides Nes's and STK's questions, what do you think will happen to you when you die, then? Is it 144,000 go to heaven and it's hell for everyone else, or is there a third option? If so, what is it? What is it supposed to be like? And what makes the 144,000 so special, anyway?
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Did you read his post carefully?
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of course...the Bible called him a serpent
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It sounds like you are kind of waffling on the free will thing. If you mean people will be incapable of making bad choices because satan won't be influencing them, it makes it sound like free will was always illusory.
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When I die...I'm dead...think of it as a deep sleep
No...no one is going to Hell
Whats makes the 144,000 so special...Chosen by God...I don't know...you will have to ask God.
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He said the 144,000 go to heaven to help run things, kind of like a student government, while everyone else stays on the new earth and lives forever. This is something I hadn't been familiar with before, either. Lots I don't know about all the various sects' individual beliefs out there.
I was also interested in the reincarnation angle if you die before the apocalypse thing. Like they are mixing a pinch of Hinduism in there or something.
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Your just upset because you want to do or be bad and you can't comprehend the idea of being good.
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Crack open your old Testament and show me where it says that snake was specifically Satan.
References to the new Testament do not count.
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Your just upset because you want to do or be bad and you can't comprehend the idea of being good.
The opposite, really. But forever is a long time to have to keep up a perfect streak.
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I was raised a Catholic and started attending various Christian Churches with my mom as a teenager...no one would study directly from the Bible with me...Pastors and Priests expected me to believe all their teaching (even though different from each other) and that pissed me off. (There is a scripture in the Bible encouraging us to question religious leaders - theirs nothing wrong with it)
I came across the Witnesses and everything I learned from the Bible contradicted what I was taught as a kid and a young adult...blew me away. Heaven, Hell, Idolatry, Spiritism...my family has been affected by certain spiritistic beliefs and lets say it's no joke. I feel like I am no longer in spiritual darkness and have a big weight off my shoulder...I sleep better at night and no longer fear Satan, but still know what he is capable of.
I am far from perfect and have guilty pleasures (videogames and neo-geo.com)
Sounds cheesey, but if what I am learning is false...at least I stay out of trouble and don't contribute to whats bad about this world.
I'm a family man who takes care of his own and when the crap hits the fan I won't let the Man and or Satan take me down.
The fact that Witnesses don't get paid to preach also attracted me to them. Our Elders who have nice cars don't pay them off with church member donations. They have jobs or are old retired men. Our traveling overseers get help with room and board, but don't get a check for preaching.
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Ok, I see some major differences in the way JW's believe here.
I was with you until here. Why do people make up stuff when it is clearly explained in the Bible? Crucifixion was a common form of Roman capital punishment. Where did the stake idea come from?
You missed the part where Jesus spent 3 days in the heart of the earth ministering to the righteous who were held there until his arrival. Then he was resurrected after 3 days and ascended into heaven.
Ok, you're doing good here until...
Ok, first of all, the 144,000 that are mentioned in the Bible are clearly identified as Jews who will be 'sealed' until the end, to witness to the world of God's impending return.
The surviving righteous people of the 'end times' will be part of the Millennial Kingdom. The believers will not be resurrected in their old bodies, but will be granted new bodies... like Jesus had when he was resurrected (walking through walls, instantaneous travel, etc.
). The believers will help rule in the Millennial Kingdom.
The Earth is not the final disposition of man. After the 1,000 years and Satan and the final group of unrighteous people are finally dealt with, a New Jerusalem will be constructed after the old universe 'burns with a fervent heat'.
The 'Lake of Fire' is Satan's & the fallen angels final disposition, and 'outer darkness' is reserved for the unrighteous, where 'there is much weeping and gnashing of teeth', and 'the canker worm dieth not'.
It's unfortunate at how much division there is on God's word.
Yeah, these guys are going to think we're crazy.
zapistab said:
I was with you until here. Why do people make up stuff when it is clearly explained in the Bible? Crucifixion was a common form of Roman capital punishment. Where did the stake idea come from?
You missed the part where Jesus spent 3 days in the heart of the earth ministering to the righteous who were held there until his arrival. Then he was resurrected after 3 days and ascended into heaven.
Ok, you're doing good here until...
Ok, first of all, the 144,000 that are mentioned in the Bible are clearly identified as Jews who will be 'sealed' until the end, to witness to the world of God's impending return.
The surviving righteous people of the 'end times' will be part of the Millennial Kingdom. The believers will not be resurrected in their old bodies, but will be granted new bodies... like Jesus had when he was resurrected (walking through walls, instantaneous travel, etc.
). The believers will help rule in the Millennial Kingdom.The Earth is not the final disposition of man. After the 1,000 years and Satan and the final group of unrighteous people are finally dealt with, a New Jerusalem will be constructed after the old universe 'burns with a fervent heat'.
The 'Lake of Fire' is Satan's & the fallen angels final disposition, and 'outer darkness' is reserved for the unrighteous, where 'there is much weeping and gnashing of teeth', and 'the canker worm dieth not'.
It's unfortunate at how much division there is on God's word.
Yeah, these guys are going to think we're crazy.
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Pro wrestling doesn't have as many shifting alliances as this thread.
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head just exploded
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aw man, what a fun post from ki_atsushi, as he laid the holy smack down.
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Billy Blitz is ki_atsushi? I can't keep up with this stuff.
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As I said in my post, it's a shame there's so much division between people on God's word. Nothing against Zapistab personally, I just wanted to contrast what I believe with him.
I don't believe the Bible is allegorical, except where obviously so. It explains itself.
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Another AWESOME statement.