Basic Religion Test Stumps Many Americans [part 4281 in "Our Glorious Nation"]

HeartlessNinny · Oct 4, 2010

zapatistab said:
It's not negligent manslaughter in God's eyes so I can care less. I respect mans laws, but if the law asks me to compromise my faith then I guess I will have to go to jail.

I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly.

Let's say, hypothetically, that your child needs a blood transfusion to survive. It's the policy of a hospital in California to give it to them anyway, despite your religious beliefs. You would try and remove your child from the care of the hospital, ensuring the child's death, then be willing to go to jail for manslaughter as a consequence?

I hope you take it for granted that people don't understand this. Because, like I said, to me it is literally madness. And forgive me for saying so, but I think it's utterly contemptible, too. Simply despicable.

zapatistab · Oct 4, 2010

HeartlessNinny said:
I had a feeling we'd get to this point.

I'm not trying to pick on you, but this is what I'm talking about: I don't have kids, but if I did, I'm quite sure I could never understand the idea of letting them die just because someone told me that's what I'm supposed to do. I... Just don't get it.

I mean... Would you be angry at the doctor? Or secretly grateful? If you felt gratitude in your heart of hearts, would that be a sin? I can't understand this method of thinking. To me, it simply makes no sense.

Oh well. Like I said, it is what it is. Let's just hope nothing bad happens to you, I guess.

P.S. This is a whole different can of worms, but circumcision is barbaric.

I would be mad at myself...unless the doctor ignored my wishes...he doesn't know any better...he is just doing his job by saving my life.

I never feel picked on...I deal with much more at the door...threads like these are just for kicks and giggles...I'm just sharing my belief. I can care what anyone thinks about it.

I can see how circumcision can seem barbaric...the procedure hurt me while I watched it...but my wife and I agreed we wanted my sons pee pee to look like mine. (His dad)

HeartlessNinny · Oct 4, 2010

zapatistab said:
I can see how circumcision can seem barbaric...the procedure hurt me while I watched it...but my wife and I agreed we wanted my sons pee pee to look like mine. (His dad)

So you were willing to permanently harm your son for the sake of vanity? If I were in the business of making up religious doctrine, that'd be on my list of sins. Just saying.

evil wasabi · Oct 4, 2010

zapatistab said:
It's not negligent manslaughter in God's eyes so I can care less. I respect mans laws, but if the law asks me to compromise my faith then I guess I will have to go to jail.

Yeah, because the gift of life is not a gift at all - nothing you need to protect. God gives countless gifts of life each year... Obviously the person who came up with the rule against blood transfusions was in tune with God's plan.

zapatistab · Oct 4, 2010

HeartlessNinny said:
I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly.

Let's say, hypothetically, that your child needs a blood transfusion to survive. It's the policy of a hospital in California to give it to them anyway, despite your religious beliefs. You would try and remove your child from the care of the hospital, ensuring the child's death, then be willing to go to jail for manslaughter as a consequence?

I hope you take it for granted that people don't understand this. Because, like I said, to me it is literally madness. And forgive me for saying so, but I think it's utterly contemptible, too. Simply despicable.

Yes

People don't understand because they pick and choose from the Bible what to believe. (All pastors and priests are aware of it, but they choose not to follow it or teach it) The blood issue has been there forever...but just like people ignore the fact that we are not supposed to worship idols...but millions of people do all over the world. When they actually read it for themselves in the Bible they scratch their heads.

zapatistab · Oct 4, 2010

HeartlessNinny said:
So you were willing to permanently harm your son for the sake of vanity? If I were in the business of making up religious doctrine, that'd be on my list of sins. Just saying.

Circumcision was done in Bible times for cleanliness...just like avoiding Blood...if God was against circumcision, then my son would have his foreskin.

HeartlessNinny · Oct 4, 2010

zapatistab said:
Yes

People don't understand because they pick and choose from the Bible what to believe. (All pastors and priests are aware of it, but they choose not to follow it or teach it) The blood issue has been there forever...but just like people ignore the fact that we are not supposed to worship idols...but millions of people do all over the world. When they actually read it for themselves in the Bible they scratch their heads.

But there's a lot of other things in the Bible that people pick and choose too, including you. I'm assuming you don't stone disobedient children or adulterous wives to death? Do you keep slaves? Should you be allowed to?

Besides. As we've already touched on in this thread, it's a proven fact that the Bible is a collection of writings from a myriad of different people over several centuries.

It's a historical fact that a council sat down and determined some of the core aspects of the Bible, like Jesus's divinity. They added and removed things based on their own whims. That's not the word of god, it's just a bunch of guys.

If you want to look upon the Bible not as literal truth, but a guidebook for traditions and whatnot, that's one thing. I can understand that, even if I'd never do it myself.

But to look upon it as literal truth... I don't understand how anyone could possibly do that while being aware of its history, even in a cursory manner.

SML · Oct 4, 2010

Not attacking.

On what grounds is the bible considered infallible or revelatory?

HeartlessNinny · Oct 4, 2010

zapatistab said:
Circumcision was done in Bible times for cleanliness...just like avoiding Blood...if God was against circumcision, then my son would have his foreskin.

That's not what you said, though. You said you and your wife agreed that your son's penis should look like yours (for some reason). That's about you and your own vanity, not the Bible or god.

What if god asked you to remove the penis in its entirety? You could still reproduce if you only had a little stub, provided you kept your testicles around. But would you do it? Would you remove your penis for god?

SouthtownKid · Oct 4, 2010

HeartlessNinny said:
But to look upon it as literal truth... I don't understand how anyone could possibly do that while being aware of its history, even in a cursory manner.

I agree, or at least I would have a very hard time understanding it, but I think they would fall back on the 'history could be faked/it's a test' defense.

zapatistab · Oct 4, 2010

HeartlessNinny said:
But there's a lot of other things in the Bible that people pick and choose too, including you. I'm assuming you don't stone disobedient children or adulterous wives to death? Do you keep slaves? Should you be allowed to?

Besides. As we've already touched on in this thread, it's a proven fact that the Bible is a collection of writings from a myriad of different people over several centuries.

It's a historical fact that a council sat down and determined some of the core aspects of the Bible, like Jesus's divinity. They added and removed things based on their own whims. That's not the word of god, it's just a bunch of guys.

If you want to look upon the Bible not as literal truth, but a guidebook for traditions and whatnot, that's one thing. I can understand that, even if I'd never do it myself.

But to look upon it as literal truth... I don't understand how anyone could possibly do that while being aware of its history, even in a cursory manner.

Don't get upset...it's not like I'm calling you a sinner or asking you to study the Bible with me.

HeartlessNinny · Oct 4, 2010

I'm not upset, I'm just trying to understand you a little better (and not succeeding, I should say :emb:

).

Anyway. You didn't address what I said. What's your response? I'm curious.

zapatistab · Oct 4, 2010

HeartlessNinny said:
That's not what you said, though. You said you and your wife agreed that your son's penis should look like yours (for some reason). That's about you and your own vanity, not the Bible or god.

What if god asked you to remove the penis in its entirety? You could still reproduce if you only had a little stub, provided you kept your testicles around. But would you do it? Would you remove your penis for god?

Your looking into it too much...we made the decision for vanity...duh...but...if it was against God then we wouldn't have done it...I wasn't raised a Witness so my pee pee skin was cut off.

zapatistab · Oct 4, 2010

HeartlessNinny said:
I'm not upset, I'm just trying to understand you a little better (and not succeeding, I should say ).

Anyway. You didn't address what I said. What's your response? I'm curious.

I don't believe everything you just said...I believe it's God word...I don't have to justify it...how ever you want to word it...I believe the Bible's writers were influenced by Holy Spirit...it's not rocket science.

HeartlessNinny · Oct 4, 2010

zapatistab said:
Your looking into it too much...we made the decision for vanity...duh...but...if it was against God then we wouldn't have done it...I wasn't raised a Witness so my pee pee skin was cut off.

What can I say, when it comes to my gear, I'm very thoughtful. To me there's no such thing as 'looking into it too much'.

I wouldn't slice off the most sensitive part (which also provides lubrication and other practical benefits) just because I wanted it to look like someone else's. But I guess that's where you and I differ.

HeartlessNinny · Oct 4, 2010

zapatistab said:
I don't believe everything you just said...I believe it's God word...I don't have to justify it...how ever you want to word it...I believe the Bible's writers were influenced by Holy Spirit...it's not rocket science.

Okay. To me, you're saying, "I'm going to deliberately ignore the facts and believe what I've been told instead." And you're right about one thing — it's not rocket science.

Anyway. I didn't make this up to mess with you. It's history, not my opinion. But, when you get right down to it, believing in something despite a lack of evidence (or with evidence to the contrary)... That's what faith is. And you, my friend, seem to have it in spades. To me, however, that is a profound insult.

EDIT: One more thing, though. It does say in the Bible that you're supposed to stone people to death if they commit certain transgressions, and it does indeed condone slavery. So are those things that are regrettably absent from our culture, then? They must be the word of god. It must be, then, that society is wrong, not the Bible. That is, if it's really the literal word of god.

You must, then, think it's okay to keep slaves. You must think that capital punishment by stoning isn't just acceptable, it's required in some cases. Unless, of course, you pick and choose what you want to accept as divine truth and what was... a mistake.

zapatistab · Oct 4, 2010

HeartlessNinny said:
Okay. To me, you're saying, "I'm going to deliberately ignore the facts and believe what I've been told instead." And you're right about one thing — it's not rocket science.

Anyway. I didn't make this up to mess with you. It's history, not my opinion. But, when you get right down to it, believing in something despite a lack of evidence (or with evidence to the contrary)... That's what faith is. And you, my friend, seem to have it in spades. To me, however, that is a profound insult.

To have faith? Wow

HeartlessNinny · Oct 4, 2010

zapatistab said:
To have faith? Wow

Yes. To me it's one of the absolute worst things a person can have. (Naturally we're talking about religious faith here, by the way.)

Anyways. I snuck an edit in there. Please don't miss it.

SouthtownKid · Oct 4, 2010

zapatistab said:
To have faith? Wow

Yeah, don't accuse him of it, because he will lose his shit.

zapatistab · Oct 4, 2010

HeartlessNinny said:
Okay. To me, you're saying, "I'm going to deliberately ignore the facts and believe what I've been told instead." And you're right about one thing — it's not rocket science.

Anyway. I didn't make this up to mess with you. It's history, not my opinion. But, when you get right down to it, believing in something despite a lack of evidence (or with evidence to the contrary)... That's what faith is. And you, my friend, seem to have it in spades. To me, however, that is a profound insult.

EDIT: One more thing, though. It does say in the Bible that you're supposed to stone people to death if they commit certain transgressions, and it does indeed condone slavery. So are those things that are regrettably absent from our culture, then? They must be the word of god. It must be, then, that society is wrong, not the Bible. That is, if it's really the literal word of god.

You must, then, think it's okay to keep slaves. You must think that capital punishment by stoning isn't just acceptable, it's required in some cases. Unless, of course, you pick and choose what you want to accept as divine truth and what was... a mistake.

Slaves in Bible times weren't abused (unless you were Roman) ...they were like maids and nanny's. As far as stoning is concerned...I don't recall people getting stoned and God saying it was OK...If your wife cheated on you...it was OK to divorce her in God's eye's not stone her...

ki_atsushi · Oct 4, 2010

SouthtownKid said:
Yeah, don't accuse him of it, because he will lose his shit.

I find this whole thing hilarious. He obviously doesn't understand that everyone has faith in something, whether they like to or not. I seriously doubt that his tune would change if there was new evidence to prove God exists, his faith is in evolution.

It's what he chooses to believe.

HeartlessNinny · Oct 4, 2010

So you really do condone slavery then. My god.

As for the stoning, I guess you'll have to take my word for it, but it's in there. I've read the quote. I forget where it's from though.

Doesn't matter. In light of the whole slavery thing... Wow. Just wow.

HeartlessNinny · Oct 4, 2010

Billy Blitz said:
I find this whole thing hilarious. He obviously doesn't understand that everyone has faith in something, whether they like to or not. I seriously doubt that his tune would change if there was new evidence to prove God exists, his faith is in evolution.

It's what he chooses to believe.

If you think faith in god and 'faith' in evolution are the same thing, you're stupid and you don't understand what those words mean. The end.

SouthtownKid · Oct 4, 2010

HeartlessNinny said:
If you think faith in god and 'faith' in evolution are the same thing, you're stupid and you don't understand what those words mean. The end.

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I HAVE SPOKEN!!!

SML · Oct 4, 2010

HeartlessNinny said:
If you think faith in god and 'faith' in evolution are the same thing, you're stupid and you don't understand what those words mean. The end.

But beliefs, religious or otherwise, have an underpinning that is based purely on personal choice. You can't claim that your beliefs come only from the bible, because you have made an extra-biblical decision that the bible is inerrant. (And of course if the assertion were in the bible, you still at one point chose to make a jump into the logic-loop.) A person similarly chooses, prior to becoming a materialist, that he will embrace materialism.

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