Medaka
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Sport hunting is bullshit.
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BattraxZ
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Don't throw the puppies in the river! Let the bears live so they can come and eat the puppies. Seeing bears in the wild is beautiful I remember seeing a mother bear and her 3 cubs while walking to a cabin with some friends.
Even though the shot was at distance there is a "sporting" element-if you are a bad shot and only injure the bear there's a good chance you will get mauled.
Even though the shot was at distance there is a "sporting" element-if you are a bad shot and only injure the bear there's a good chance you will get mauled.
topher
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All I can say is early bow season (deer) starts tomorrow!!!!!!
Pretty excited, we got some monsters running around here as well as an ass ton of doe this year and I expect to have some fresh, soybean fed, additive free tenderloin by next weekend.
Bear...eh, tried the meat, tastes like ass (pretty much what they eat) and had no interest after that. I only kill what goes in me belly or directly threatens my life and am strictly 100% a bow hunter only. Don't see the point in gun hunting...gotta keep it fair, quiet, and max amount of skill to get the kill.
Pretty excited, we got some monsters running around here as well as an ass ton of doe this year and I expect to have some fresh, soybean fed, additive free tenderloin by next weekend.
Bear...eh, tried the meat, tastes like ass (pretty much what they eat) and had no interest after that. I only kill what goes in me belly or directly threatens my life and am strictly 100% a bow hunter only. Don't see the point in gun hunting...gotta keep it fair, quiet, and max amount of skill to get the kill.
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I don't hunt, but if I did this is how I'd be.
I do fish and prone to eat what I catch, given it's not carp or too large/small.
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that thing scared the shit out of me. Reminded me of the Bathroom of the Burger King in Amsterdam when I was tripping.
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I tried using a bow once. You've gotta be a beefy fucker to pull those bastards back.
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You didn't specify a breed. Not a Provincetown Bear, I hope...
Wow, one of those dudes looks like the doppelganger of my martial arts instructor from 6 years ago. It would explain a lot.
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Nah, not beefy, you just use muscles you don't use for much else.
I wish I was beefy...just an average joe though...
This rain screwed up opening day for me. Our woods are swampland right now. Probably have to wait until next weekend to get out there.
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Well, and compound bows take out a lot of the force needed to pull the string back compared to a traditional long bow.
topher
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Very true. Most compounds have 80 - 90% letoff on the draw weight.
A recurve has 0% letoff.
Draw back a 75lb recurve and you are holding 75lbs at full draw.
Compound bow at 75lbs with 85% letoff = 11.25lbs at full draw.
But you still have to get the bow fully drawn back to see that letoff. In the draw curve you see the draw weight increase until it peaks at the letoff point then drops down to the hold weight at full draw.
Many people still seem to have problems drawing back a compound bow back to the letoff point due to the muscles used. I've seen beefy motherfuckers not be able to draw back fully because they couldn't draw back smoothly and their muscles couldn't handle it.
topher
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You do realize the difference between free range and farm raised don't you?
Who are you to determine what I should eat and what I shouldn't?
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I think the better imperative would be to tell them to stop killing animals and grow some vegetables in their yard.
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quoted for motherfucking TRUTH
How many people in the "OMG it's so cruelz" camp have actually been hunting/fishing before? Grow some fucking balls and get a deer license or at least bass fish & release. I'd rather kill something with my own equipment than let a huge, faceless meat conglomerate grind up retard chickens and squish them into little dinosaur shapes. Nothing'll put hair on a 13-year-old's chest more than field dressing a deer with nothing but his/her hands and a buck knife.
If you want to rail on pointless sport killing, then make it trapping at least. Trapping in this day and age (beyond nuisance beaver traps) is just cruel and pointless...passively breaking an animal's leg, letting it starve to death for days, selling it's pelt for ~$5-10 and then dumping the corpse in the woods...POINTLESS. Also, bonus evil points for trappers who catch dogs/cats in their traps and laugh about it.
Needless to say my youth was filled with buckets of beaver/mink carcasses outside.
I do want to go deer hunting again though, haven't done that in years. Or maybe duck/goose hunting.
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Or, you know, just not be a colossal pussy. (And yes, I've fired a bow before.)
Anyways. Shooting a few non-endangered animals and eating them is perfectly fine, but killing animals for trophies/'sport'/etc is pretty damned distasteful.
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Food is food.
Would it really be horrible if they raised and slaughtered their own goats or cattle or pigs? Why is hunting deer for meat any different from buying beef from the grocery store. You've argued against factory farming, why would you be against hunting as a food source. And don't give me the bullshit "We're advanced enough to not need to hunt / eat meat."
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This argument doesn't hold a lot of water when you get right down to it. The human diet has changed pretty radically over the last 10,000 years, so it's kind of ridiculous to talk about what we're 'meant' to eat or what have you.
And don't forget. If the whole world ate as much meat as Americans (and Canadians, we're not exempt from this), the world would starve. It's nuts to suggest that we shouldn't change out dietary habits.
Anyway. That's a separate argument. Hunting for food is another matter entirely.
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I am going to shoot this innocent looking deer that's sniffing a tree b-because i-it might hurt someone! Killing innocent wildlife and bragging about it is truly the definition of manly, lol. The counter-arguments for this are always great.
I eat... some meat, maybe a burger or some salami occasionally? but hardly enough to make a difference. I wouldn't hunt animals "to be come a man" or "for the lulz" or whatever other thinly disguised fabrication you'd like to glaze the sport with.
If I had to do it in order to survive, however, I would. Let's hope it never comes to that, especially since there's piss all to hunt here.
I eat... some meat, maybe a burger or some salami occasionally? but hardly enough to make a difference. I wouldn't hunt animals "to be come a man" or "for the lulz" or whatever other thinly disguised fabrication you'd like to glaze the sport with.
If I had to do it in order to survive, however, I would. Let's hope it never comes to that, especially since there's piss all to hunt here.
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Yeah, I've eaten bear in Russian restauraunt as a kid, it's pretty meh.
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I got to say that bow fishing looks pretty awsome.
Also living in deer land here, they pretty much have to be hunted. If anyone that cared about the deer had ever seen them starving in large numbers, they may change their mind about hunting some. Sport hunting can help to keep the population of wild animals in check.
I don't even work or live in the woods but ..
I've had coyote stand in groups and watch me around the back gate at work from time to time. You can shoot them year round here because they can cause a lot of problems if they over populate.
There are always rabbits in my yard eating my garden and such. I see ground hogs and foxes quite often snooping around. There is a skunk that keeps comming around to my trash can and almost made me late for work as he would not get out from under my car and I was not about to go over there.
Oppossum are way over populated. I've left my door open for moving something and had a big one just wander in my livingroom.
I get raccoons, skunks, rabbits and such at work quite often getting into stuff.
I know its pretty much our fault that we have screwed up the animal lands and that messess with their population, but the fact is we have taken their space so we kind of have to keep them populated correctley for the space we've left them with and sport hunting is one way of doing that.
Also living in deer land here, they pretty much have to be hunted. If anyone that cared about the deer had ever seen them starving in large numbers, they may change their mind about hunting some. Sport hunting can help to keep the population of wild animals in check.
I don't even work or live in the woods but ..
I've had coyote stand in groups and watch me around the back gate at work from time to time. You can shoot them year round here because they can cause a lot of problems if they over populate.
There are always rabbits in my yard eating my garden and such. I see ground hogs and foxes quite often snooping around. There is a skunk that keeps comming around to my trash can and almost made me late for work as he would not get out from under my car and I was not about to go over there.
Oppossum are way over populated. I've left my door open for moving something and had a big one just wander in my livingroom.
I get raccoons, skunks, rabbits and such at work quite often getting into stuff.
I know its pretty much our fault that we have screwed up the animal lands and that messess with their population, but the fact is we have taken their space so we kind of have to keep them populated correctley for the space we've left them with and sport hunting is one way of doing that.
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i hate hunting. but not because i care about the safety of animals, or that i don't like guns. no i like guns and i love eating deer, or wild hog. but i hate hunting because it seems to me that you have to wake up at 4am, go stand out in the cold, and wait for ages for nothing to happen. i've gone once, and i wont go again. i have better things to do in the morning. like sleep, or make pancakes, or something.
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You ever seen deer starve because hunting laws were too strict and the population got out of hand?
Do you know how many deer 1 acre of land can support? Do you know what happens when that tract of land is overpopulated?
Ever seen an outbreak of chronic wasting disease (CWD) because of overpopulation? Happening all over the east because of strict hunting laws and low harvest numbers. Read about it, far more cruel then me and my bow.
You do realize that hunting is done just as much for population, disease, and nuisance control as it is for food?
Do you realize the financial impact a deer has on a farmers field that is raising those crops to sell? Yeah, deer eat a lot. Farmers don't grow crops to feed the wildlife.
Populations need to be kept in check or nature will do it. Nature is a cruel bitch.
Anyone that thinks hunting is easy and the woods are a slaughter field has never been hunting. If it was that easy, there would be no deer population at all.
LOL @ 4am. Morning hunts suck. I prefer getting in my stand about 2 hours before the sun sets and chilling. Realistically, outside the rut, the only time that deer are moving during hunting light is .5 hours before and after sunrise and roughly 1.5 hours before to .5 hours after sunset. Fuck getting up early. I only do that a few times a year around the rut.
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Yeah. I don't know too many people (or any, for that matter) who know about deer over-population and still oppose hunting them. I don't.
I always get mad when I hear about people shooting wolves, though. Compared to coyotes, they hardly kill any livestock, but ranchers think they're a nuisance and blow them away all the time, despite the fact that many species are endangered. Same goes for bears.... Leave the bears alone, I say.
I always get mad when I hear about people shooting wolves, though. Compared to coyotes, they hardly kill any livestock, but ranchers think they're a nuisance and blow them away all the time, despite the fact that many species are endangered. Same goes for bears.... Leave the bears alone, I say.