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You're a fucking idiot.
Back to the nest puts families to the test
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You're a fucking idiot.
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The article says "puts families to the test." I love the whole argument that kids move back home because they can't get a job, life is expensive, etc. Look, if you have to float because shit actually hit the fan, that's one thing. Move back in and get back on your feet. If you're living at home because you don't want to actually push yourself, go for a good job, or try to make it on your own... Than you're a fucking leech and you're just sucking mommy and daddy's money as your own. That's deplorable to me. Your parents provided for you long enough... You seriously want to keep sucking income from them? And don't tell me you help out at home. I really doubt you pay the equivalent of the food/power/etc cost you generate. If you could, then you'd just be out on your own anyway. I could see nothing more as a personal failure than admitting I can't do it on my own... And seriously, Greg, I live in an area where the cost of living is at least triple where you are. Yeah, there are times when money is tight, but you know what I do? I tighten my belt and I see myself through it. To not even be able to provide for yourself at your age, seriously that isn't something I'm ever going to accept. If I bust my ass every day to do it, so can anyone else. If you were looking for validation, you won't from me.
And yes, there is a flip side to this. All of those people who move their parents in with them because their parents are sick or can no longer make it... They're freaking heroes in my book.
And yes, there is a flip side to this. All of those people who move their parents in with them because their parents are sick or can no longer make it... They're freaking heroes in my book.
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There's no jobs right now.. I'm lucky to be working part-time at a normally full time job as it is... Although I've been saving here and there for a house for 3 years. I don't understand how people on the east and west coasts can afford living there. I guess everybody's a millionaire movie star. Why anybody would live on the east coast is beyond me, they have worst winters than MN. At least you're getting something for that premium you're paying on the west coast (yey no winter). I could barely afford to move out if I had a roomate, but none of my friends need a roomate right now.
If and when the time comes, I will probably be living with my mom to take care of her when she's sick.. Although I'm doing that right now. Hopefully she won't need anymore chemo or radiation treatments...
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There's a lot more than a change of climate moving from one place to another. Jobs, money, people, culture, marketplace, infrastructure, etc.
When I moved from the east coast to the west, I was a bit nervous (because I was naive) until my friend so rightly said, "You know people live in California, right?".
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I was under the impression that Minnesota has it worse than us here in the New England.
There's plenty to do here in the east coast. I can be in NYC in a little over an hour and your options to do so are plentiful (train, drive, ferry, and for Greenwich/Westport residents..even helicopter).
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The biggest reason for anybody to move to the west coast should be the endless summer and lack of winter.
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A house doesnt have to be all about the debt. I have three friends, all bought condo's down town Toronto, before they were built. Ranging from 200 grand to 300 grand. After the first year, because of the location, it went up anywhere from 120 grand to 200 plus. Sell that shit. Pocket the money, move in with your parents and do it all over again. Start up cash needed.... 30 grand. Thats not a lot of money. Got good credit, get a loan. This is the first thing I am doing, next year. Ive got a perfect credit rating and next to no debt, come hell or high water, I am going to milk that shit, and make money off of it.
Its all about location, use your money to make money.
Die a happy person.
Sounds like somebody with no ambition.
Thats ok, lets make another drink and get a tan on the lawn. Its nice out all year long.
Queer.
Its all about location, use your money to make money.
Die a happy person.
Sounds like somebody with no ambition.
Thats ok, lets make another drink and get a tan on the lawn. Its nice out all year long.
Queer.
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HeartlessNinny
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Am I the only one who thinks that Greg is starting to sound as pathetic as Makismo?
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Read all about it in G'regN's new book: The Homeless Mentality for "Dummie's"
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Theres no shame in living with your parents, at least while you're in your twenties. People have their reasons. GregN obviously needs a verbal kick in the ass though. GregN...develop a new style of justification for your choices...
The whole "I'll have to wait 3 years for the economy" is absurd.
And for those who moved out when they were 17 to escape hell...that must be a lot easier than leaving a loving home.
A lot of people don't have that kick in the ass. Whether it be survival, pride, courage, whatever.
The whole "I'll have to wait 3 years for the economy" is absurd.
And for those who moved out when they were 17 to escape hell...that must be a lot easier than leaving a loving home.
A lot of people don't have that kick in the ass. Whether it be survival, pride, courage, whatever.
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Its not a kick in the ass - its wanting to start your own fucking life.
I guess its cool living at home and spending THOUSANDS on gaming/entertainment/cars and whatever though.
As long as everyone is comfortable in doing that.
"Oh yeah dude, I got some cabs in my parents basement with every MVS title made"
"Nah, I'm not moving out - I wouldnt be able to pay for any of this shit then"
Fucking disgusting.
Grow the fuck up and be a fucking man.
(I wasn't yelling at you)
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HeartlessNinny
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Here is the situation: Greg is unhappy with his life. He refuses to accept this fact, and more to the point, he refuses to take any responsibility for the choices he's made. In a desperate attempt to regain some kind of self worth (and avoid further depression), he seeks affirmation and validation from us (apparently not realizing we're a pack of relentless assholes and jerks). I suspect he does the same with whatever pathetic losers he calls friends in the real world.
He refuses to try because he won't accept the idea that he fucked up his own life, and he's afraid that he's not good enough anyways. I've seen the same shit a hundred times, and I swear to fuck it's more pathetic each time.
Being a man isn't about some kind of outdated concept of machismo. It's about standing on your own two feet and feeling like you're living the kind of life you want to live, and that you're ultimately happy with your lot and the effort you put in.
This will never dawn on Greg, though. He's too caught up in his security blanket of ignorance (hence the racism and other bigotry and shortsightedness) and seeking approval from others he'll never get (which is why he still posts here when no one seems to like him — at all).
It's sad, and it'd warrant my sympathy if it wasn't willful and self-inflicted.
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You're not a bad person at all, nor do I think you're racist.
Believe me when I say that being a decent, interesting, educated person means more to women than you think.
But I digress:
Superficial things open doors....but meaningful things keep them open, you know what I mean?
The superficial things take a "shitload of effort" as you call it, and the "meaningful things" are learned over time or you may already possess those traits.
You need start working on those "superficial things" soon or just shut the fuck up.
Until then you ARE undateable sir.
djdelly
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if one didn't live above there means and had a cost of living that was less than 60% of their net income, you can get by on unemployment in MN... just saying
great argument from someone who is living at home for free...
let see.... i have a full time job that pays me well, and have no college degree....
you have a college education, work part time, and live at home with your parent...
once again, great argument greg!
You live in a state that has a pretty low unemployment rate compared to the rest of the US .... I'm pretty sure if you really wanted to, you could find yourself a full time job that would end up paying you more a month then you are making now....
You could always look outside of the state..... oh wait... then you'd have to leave the nest...
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If you are in your mid 30's, and you are living with your parents long-term, don't have a full time job or some kind of career, don't have a meaningful relationship with a significant other, and have no ambition to change any of the above.. you have failed. Period. It's time to reevaluate your life.
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Everyone should go to college. I don't even care if people call it mooching. Mooch like a mofo if you can get through college for free. Then you won't have a shitload of student loads past 100 grand+ to pay back. The downswing of those is that lets say you get a BA, and become a social worker. The time it will take to pay back all of those students loans will be ridiculous. You might as well be uneducated and just work towards a home.. It is weird though if you are in your 30's and have nothing going on. I mean shit. At least go to school, make something of yourself...
Independence is great if you have something to prove to yourself or others, but the bottom line is that most people are no longer independent because they are flat out sick of the life style of complete servitude to where it takes 5 times the amount of time to produce something meaningful that you actually own. I think its beneficial to be less independent. Collectivism in this sense produces more concentration of wealth, and a better retirement. This is due also a large portion to the greatest depression in history that we are going into.
In the more independent sense, you rent a apartment for a ton of cash. Then if you are lucky, you won't need a room mate to cut the costs. This doesn't factor into the picture that you are producing NOTHING for your future other then a tiny fraction of money bi-monthly to a retirement that might not even happen with long term currency devaluation. Then again, who is really independent with a room mate? Now instead of parents you got some asshole to have to break bread with constantly. Ask anyone truly independent how their life is, and its tough, most of the time, its really tough. You gotta switch residence a lot more often, you gotta listen to a lot of annoying neighbors shit through the walls. Its ridiculous.
Not many understand how important land/houses and ownership really are, and a lot of people who move out early in a bid to prove themselves tend to be the types of individuals who suck ass with money, can't save well and blow it on garbage impulse buys. Sometimes its types who had a bad relationship with family, had a passive aggressive approach or a lack of confrontation. . I knew one girl who was in so much debt, and she was alone, but god what a damn bitch she was. Nobody could tolerate her attitude.
If you look at the richer aspect of society, you see the same things. Less independence and more cash concentration. In the end its a personal choice, but no matter what, in the end everyone will eventually be independent. It really is a 'to each their own' situation.
Investment families operate entirely differently then what is presented. It is how some of the wealthiest people come to be. When they inherit things, they don't sell shit and split up the money so two siblings can go and blow it on garbage that will be worthless next year like cars. They keep these things, rent them out and make money. More so, they teach their kids about respect for money and property, and passing it from generation to generation.
Like for example, my grandma died, and I took care of her for years up till that point. I literally walked away from my own independence to do so because of my extreme loyalty and devotion to family. I am in no way going to sell off her legacy even though I inherited it. Instead, i've fixed it up and worked my ass doing so. It takes a lot of time and hard work. You just don't see people dying after you have them around for so long and it teaches you immediately how easily things are lost. Maybe some part of me is overly careful in that sense due to the nature of outsiders and the stupidity of the quick decision.
Wanting some kind of comfort in your life doesn't make one deplorable or a bad person. Its funny to say, but many of my friends live with there families still and are in there ending 20's. One of which enjoys the money he works for and doesn't have to fork a shitload of it over to rental fee's on some shit shack he will never own.
When you hit your mid to late 30's and you aren't doing shit to better your own future, its sort of pathetic. There is zero excuse to not be going to college if you are going to mooch.
Independence is great if you have something to prove to yourself or others, but the bottom line is that most people are no longer independent because they are flat out sick of the life style of complete servitude to where it takes 5 times the amount of time to produce something meaningful that you actually own. I think its beneficial to be less independent. Collectivism in this sense produces more concentration of wealth, and a better retirement. This is due also a large portion to the greatest depression in history that we are going into.
In the more independent sense, you rent a apartment for a ton of cash. Then if you are lucky, you won't need a room mate to cut the costs. This doesn't factor into the picture that you are producing NOTHING for your future other then a tiny fraction of money bi-monthly to a retirement that might not even happen with long term currency devaluation. Then again, who is really independent with a room mate? Now instead of parents you got some asshole to have to break bread with constantly. Ask anyone truly independent how their life is, and its tough, most of the time, its really tough. You gotta switch residence a lot more often, you gotta listen to a lot of annoying neighbors shit through the walls. Its ridiculous.
Not many understand how important land/houses and ownership really are, and a lot of people who move out early in a bid to prove themselves tend to be the types of individuals who suck ass with money, can't save well and blow it on garbage impulse buys. Sometimes its types who had a bad relationship with family, had a passive aggressive approach or a lack of confrontation. . I knew one girl who was in so much debt, and she was alone, but god what a damn bitch she was. Nobody could tolerate her attitude.
If you look at the richer aspect of society, you see the same things. Less independence and more cash concentration. In the end its a personal choice, but no matter what, in the end everyone will eventually be independent. It really is a 'to each their own' situation.
Investment families operate entirely differently then what is presented. It is how some of the wealthiest people come to be. When they inherit things, they don't sell shit and split up the money so two siblings can go and blow it on garbage that will be worthless next year like cars. They keep these things, rent them out and make money. More so, they teach their kids about respect for money and property, and passing it from generation to generation.
Like for example, my grandma died, and I took care of her for years up till that point. I literally walked away from my own independence to do so because of my extreme loyalty and devotion to family. I am in no way going to sell off her legacy even though I inherited it. Instead, i've fixed it up and worked my ass doing so. It takes a lot of time and hard work. You just don't see people dying after you have them around for so long and it teaches you immediately how easily things are lost. Maybe some part of me is overly careful in that sense due to the nature of outsiders and the stupidity of the quick decision.
Wanting some kind of comfort in your life doesn't make one deplorable or a bad person. Its funny to say, but many of my friends live with there families still and are in there ending 20's. One of which enjoys the money he works for and doesn't have to fork a shitload of it over to rental fee's on some shit shack he will never own.
When you hit your mid to late 30's and you aren't doing shit to better your own future, its sort of pathetic. There is zero excuse to not be going to college if you are going to mooch.
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i blame the economy.
CrackerMessiah
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They're not entitled to anything. Maybe I'm just compelled to share the same idea with slightly different syntax, but it really is the self-entitlement complex of some people that get me.
Lots of thoughts with emotions on this one...
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Well when all the prices change and the banks go crazy and it effects peoples living expenses directly, its a pretty applicable blame.
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I have to agree with what Mike has said.
Continuing to live with your parents into your late 20s or beyond is absolutely unhealthy.
It doesn't teach you anything about responsibility or how to provide for yourself when there is a safety net constantly beneath you if things go bad. I have a few friends who while younger than Greg definitely fit his bill. The bigger difference is their parents buy them businesses and then wind up running it for them. Sorry, it's fucking pathetic to watch stuff like that because they wind up living in a fantasyland.
It's nice to see LWK rationalizing unstable behavior though. Those justifications are usually what I see from people who have had too much in their life handed to them. Sorry LWK, you're a cool guy, but you have zero clue.
Continuing to live with your parents into your late 20s or beyond is absolutely unhealthy.
It doesn't teach you anything about responsibility or how to provide for yourself when there is a safety net constantly beneath you if things go bad. I have a few friends who while younger than Greg definitely fit his bill. The bigger difference is their parents buy them businesses and then wind up running it for them. Sorry, it's fucking pathetic to watch stuff like that because they wind up living in a fantasyland.
It's nice to see LWK rationalizing unstable behavior though. Those justifications are usually what I see from people who have had too much in their life handed to them. Sorry LWK, you're a cool guy, but you have zero clue.
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I don't think it's particularly fair to judge Greg when he did give a serious go at living away from home for years during and several years after college and, thanks to unemployment, opted to move in with his folks as he saves money to buy a place. If the goal is to save and afford something while not spending rent (when you have a tight income), I think that's pretty rational. If he buys even by age 38 he'll be ahead of a number of people who still rent and he'll probably be able to afford more than he otherwise would've been able to if renting the whole time.
And there's nothing wrong with having a good enough relationship with your parents to be able to still live with them. I love my parents a lot, but I don't think I could do that (personalities) Though, oddly enough, I think I can handle it a lot better nowadays than even several years ago. Still, we'd clash more than he and his parents probably do --we're all A-types.
And there's nothing wrong with having a good enough relationship with your parents to be able to still live with them. I love my parents a lot, but I don't think I could do that (personalities) Though, oddly enough, I think I can handle it a lot better nowadays than even several years ago. Still, we'd clash more than he and his parents probably do --we're all A-types.