Is the Nobel Prize a joke now?

evil wasabi

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Obama wins the nobel prize? It hasn't even been 9 months and he hasn't achieved jack shit other than taking up massive amounts of airtime.

I feel like obama won because he makes white people feel accepted by blacks.
 

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama...Ec2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDYW5hbHlzaXNvYmFt
Analysis: Obama's Nobel honors promise, not action

WASHINGTON – The awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to President Barack Obama landed with a shock on darkened, still-asleep Washington. He won! For what?

For one of America's youngest presidents, in office less than nine months — and only for 12 days before the Nobel nomination deadline last February — it was an enormous honor.

The prize seems to be more for Obama's promise than for his performance. The Nobel committee cited as his key accomplishment "a new climate in international politics." The president has become "the world's leading spokesman" for its agenda, the committee said.

He has no standout moment of victory. Not surprising. Like most presidents in their first year, Obama's scorecard so far is largely an "incomplete," if he's being graded.

He banned torture and other extreme interrogation techniques for terrorists. But he also promised to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, a source of much distaste for the U.S. around the world, a task with difficulties that have Obama headed to miss his own January 2010 deadline.

He said he would end the Iraq war. But he has been slow to bring the troops home and the real end of the U.S. military presence there won't come until at least 2012, and that's only if both the U.S. and Iraq stick to their current agreement about American troop withdrawals. Meantime, he's running a second war in the Muslim world, in Afghanistan — and is seriously considering ramping that one up.

He has pushed for new efforts to make peace between the Israelis and Palestinians. But he's received little cooperation from the two sides.

He said he wants a nuclear-free world. But it's one thing to telegraph the desire, in a speech in Prague in April, and quite another to unite other nations and U.S. lawmakers behind the web of treaties and agreements needed to make that reality.

He has said that battling climate change is a priority. But the U.S. seems likely to head into crucial international negotiations set for Copenhagen in December with Obama-backed legislation still stalled in Congress.

And what about Obama's global prestige? It seemed to take a big hit exactly a week ago when he jetted across the Atlantic to lobby for Chicago to get the 2016 Olympics — and was rejected with a last-place finish.

Perhaps for the Nobel committee, merely altering the tone out of Washington toward the rest of the world is enough. Obama got much attention for his speech from Cairo reaching out a U.S. hand to the world's Muslims. His remarks at the U.N. General Assembly last month set down new markers for the way the U.S. works with the world.

But still ... ?

Obama aides seemed as surprised at the news as everyone else, not even aware he had been nominated along with a record 204 others. He was awoken a little before 6 a.m. by press secretary Robert Gibbs, about an hour after the vote was announced, and aides scrambled to prepare a statement.

It's not necessarily a slam-dunk win for Obama in the tricky U.S. political arena.

He won last year's election in part because voters had grown so weary with the U.S.'s battered image abroad and were attracted to his promise to make a new start. But Republicans have been criticizing Obama as being too much celebrity and too little action, and may seize on this praise — from Europeans, no less — to try to bring him down a peg.

For Nobel voters, though, the award could partly a slap at Obama's predecessor as about lauding Obama. Former President George W. Bush was reviled by much of the world for his cowboy diplomacy, Iraq war and snubbing of European priorities like global warming. Remember that the Nobel prize has a long history of being awarded more for the committee's aspirations than for others' accomplishments — for Mideast peace or a better South Africa, for instance.

In those cases, the prize is awarded to encourage those who receive it to see the effort through, sometimes at critical moments.

Obama likely understands that his challenges are too steep to resolve — much less honor — after just a few months. "It's not going to be easy," the president often says of the tasks he sets for the United States and the world.

The Nobel committee, it seems, had the audacity to hope that he'll eventually produce a record worthy of its prize.

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EDITOR'S NOTE: Jennifer Loven is the AP's chief White House correspondent.
 

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I thought it was just half the Americans who weren't smart enough to realize this guy is nothing but false promises given via fancy speeches. I guess other nation leaders are just as dumb.

I wonder when the "fallout" is gonna hit Obama.

You figure in a couple of years when we're another trillion or two in debt, the economy in every aspect is worse (including record high unemployment) and the Iraq war is still going on more people might start to think "hey, I think I've been dupped".
 
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Oh what the fuck?

I guess he is making peace for us, but shit that's just fucking stupid.

Let's give bush one for leaving office.
 

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WASHINGTON – The awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to President Barack Obama landed with a shock on darkened, still-asleep Washington. He won! For what?

That's racist.
 

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The Nobel Prize means absolutely nothing now. Certainly the award has always been influenced by the political landscape of the world whether it is people just posturing for history in the hopes that they will be remembered differently (Jimmy Carter), or because they latch onto a cause that wasn't ever theirs, but they just made it seem like it was (Al Gore).

As much as I personally loathed those two choices, I also recognized it's unfortunately fitting given the fact that Alfred Nobel was a manufacturer of dynamite who wanted to be remembered by history more favorably when he was dead.

On the flipside there are plenty who did things worthy of being awarded the Nobel Prize. But the prize being given to Obama basically has cheapened the award completely. This is a man who has done absolutely nothing worthy in his political career whatsoever. He voted present on issues that were relatively important in an effort to avoid being labeled on certain issues. That's pretty much what a coward does, they don't truly stand by what they believe in or claim they believe in.

I thought it was just half the Americans who weren't smart enough to realize this guy is nothing but false promises given via fancy speeches. I guess other nation leaders are just as dumb.

I wonder when the "fallout" is gonna hit Obama.

You figure in a couple of years when we're another trillion or two in debt, the economy in every aspect is worse (including record high unemployment) and the Iraq war is still going on more people might start to think "hey, I think I've been dupped".

Well said.

Obama's fairytale promises of hope, change, transparency, and accountability are pipe dreams that never stood a chance of being realistic. What's really funny is how he has surrounded himself with the sort of people that he claimed would never find a job in his White House.
 

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I thought it was just half the Americans who weren't smart enough to realize this guy is nothing but false promises given via fancy speeches.

And boy does he give them a lot. Like every fucking day. :oh_no:

Seriously, you can't do your job when you're jetting all over the country and/or the world making flowery speeches. Goddamn asshole.
 
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I just read a quote that this win for Obama will move Africa forward.

What?
 

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Is there any place that actually quantifies the reason for his win?

I admit that I know little to nothing about the Nobel Prize, but I thought it was supposed to be an award for accomplishing something important?

I acknowledge that becoming the first African American president is a noteworthy historical benchmark but really, I think any competent Democratic candidate could have run on his platform and won against the post-Bush Republican candidate.

I'm just scratching my head about this. I don't get it.

Here at work, the Obama supporters are saying 'Don't judge him!' and 'He deserves it!'

And when I ask them to state their case, they can't do it. They give no reasons for it. And if they can't defend it or argue a compelling case for it....
 

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As much as Obama winning is a bit of a shock, its not like its chosen by Americans to give out. Blame the Norwegians for this bit of short-sightedness.
 

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I admit that I know little to nothing about the Nobel Prize, but I thought it was supposed to be an award for accomplishing something important?

They are awarded by 5 people who are selected by the Norweigian Parliament.

Lagduf will love this part:

The Peace Prize is presented annually in Oslo, in the presence of the king, on December 10 (the anniversary of Nobel's death), and is the only Nobel Prize not presented in Stockholm.
 

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As much as Obama winning is a bit of a shock, its not like its chosen by Americans to give out. Blame the Norwegians for this bit of short-sightedness.

You're right. And Lithy's right, the Nobel Peace prize has been a joke for a long time. Carter and Gore of course, but then Arafat and Kissenger.
 

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Okay, so I just spent a little more time reading about The Nobel Peace Prize.

I never really cared to look into it because I never cared about it. For all of its value, it's not like the world's leaders are climbing over one another in an attempt to win it.

There is still a noticable lack of peace in the world despite how 'coveted' this 'prestigious award' is.

Seems like it's just a big circle jerk into the faces of whoever the committee is trying to irritate that year.
 

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Is there any place that actually quantifies the reason for his win?

I admit that I know little to nothing about the Nobel Prize, but I thought it was supposed to be an award for accomplishing something important?

I acknowledge that becoming the first African American president is a noteworthy historical benchmark but really, I think any competent Democratic candidate could have run on his platform and won against the post-Bush Republican candidate.

I'm just scratching my head about this. I don't get it.

Here at work, the Obama supporters are saying 'Don't judge him!' and 'He deserves it!'

And when I ask them to state their case, they can't do it. They give no reasons for it. And if they can't defend it or argue a compelling case for it....

Being African-American is irrelevant, it's scenery that has no bearing on how he does his job, nor should it be a criteria for heaping praise on him. He's also half white, so calling him African-American is a joke. And if you really want argue what a truly historic benchmark is for African-Americans, it would be Thurgood Marshall being appointed to the Supreme Court. That was far more important than Obama's election to the Presidency.

Obama supporters tend to be unable to present any compelling argument for defending him. When criticized they tend to point to the Republican party as being inherently evil while their savior Obama would never do the horrible things that the Republicans did...after all coming from the world of Chicago politics doesn't really mean you are more likely than not just as corrupt as everyone in Washington.
 

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I've got to think it's a consolation prize for the Olympics.
 

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I'll quote what my friend told me a bit ago:

"I equate the Nobel Peace Prize with a mention in Who's Who Among American High School Students."
 

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You're right. And Lithy's right, the Nobel Peace prize has been a joke for a long time. Carter and Gore of course, but then Arafat and Kissenger.

Silly Norwegians gave it to him just for the fact that he isn't gwb.
 

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As an Obama supporter I have to say... WTF, that's retarded, he hasn't been in office a full year. It's ridiculous to think that he has earned the Nobel Peace Prize after 12 days. What did he do, drop a golden turd when he was trekking across Europe or something?
 

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This is pretty stupid, but whatever.

Let's say you turned Somalia into a thriving first world country somehow and got awarded the prize. What would you do with the money?
 
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