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I have to wonder to of the possibility that this is some kind of Chinese reproduction. It just seems too elaborate to me to be just another conversion.
Brace Yourselves! High Quality Counterfeiting Has Begun!
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...and that's why I got into MVS.
Thanks for all the info guys, hope this gets worked out.
Thanks for all the info guys, hope this gets worked out.
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I don't suppose anyone has production run info on MS2? I dug around a bit but couldn't find anything.
GunstarHero knows his stuff when it comes to printing but with that much dot gain, especially in the red on the meg count I really makes me say "bad scan with no de-screen".
I'm very interested to see where this goes.
GunstarHero knows his stuff when it comes to printing but with that much dot gain, especially in the red on the meg count I really makes me say "bad scan with no de-screen".
I'm very interested to see where this goes.
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As a professional printer for 15 years in the industry, I can tell you the differences in the shades of the colors does not mean this is a forgery. I've found that some of my SNK carts have had imperfect printing over the years. The batch of Sengoku 3 cart labels for instance were horribly out of alignment of the 4-color process. Anyone with a Sengoku 3 simply has to take a close look to find the magenta and cyan colors bleeding in everywhere on the label where it should be white reverse. These kind of mistakes happen for a wide variety of reasons.
The fact that you can see the individual dots on the alleged 'fake' isn't a clear giveaway. I can see in the 'fake', what is called the rosette (look closer, notice the flower pattern within the printing?), which is something that appears to be real, professional 4-color process work. The reason it's not seen on the 'real' insert is most likely because that one is at a much higher lpi (screen lines per square inch). You would need a microscope to see the dots, but they are there.
This tells me that what is possible is that there were more than 1 printings of this game, and that there were art revisions. Whoever was commissioned to do the artwork and printing for one of the runs did some obvious changes to the back of the insert (the size of things is different all over), and the lpi was lowered for the 'fake', thus the dots are larger on that one, which is why you can see them with a little magnification. To the naked eye it would look fine though.
In my professional opinion the only way to be sure would be to open it up and inspect it. People should not take what they perceive as lower print quality as a dead giveaway to that Metal Slug 2 being a conversion. If it is a conversion, then someone paid a shit ton of money to have all that stuff made.
This picture you can see the rosette. It appears clearly on the gray area to the left. (on the 'fake'). That is Professional. :
Very interesting post as was the origional post.
Previously you could stop a fake/coversion a mile off.
These seem very close if indeed it is a fake
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It is fake. This game was one of 4 fake carts. I even have found someone else with the same fake Metal Slug 2 now (but sold to him as a conversion).
Another dead giveaway I've discovered is that the staples are in the wrong location on the manual.
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Gunstar, there are lots of incredibly good printers that can be had under 2k and the quailty of the production is fantastic. I do stand firm about the scanning procedure getting corrupted and thus the reproduction suffering even more during the 4 color process.
If it was indeed what you stated that it could be then the overlapping will clearly show all 4 or 3 colors distinctevly wouldn't you think?
I've worked with printing companies but I've never worked in a printing company, so my knowledge is not as broad as yours but I know enough about scanning to recognized a bad scanning job.
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I can see all 4 colors. If you look at it you can see the yellow and cyan peering from the edges of the numbers. Wolf's camera is amazing, it's just about as good as my Power Scope 3000 I use on the printing press.
If Wolf is convinced it's a conversion and not a reproduction (bootleg) of some kind, then the discussion needs to go no further. Whatever the case, someone went to a heck of alot of trouble to 'chrome' up that cart so nicely.
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I strongly believe the print job could have been better if not for the scan. I mean everytime anything on gloss is scanned is only natural to get those patterns, I know it can be filtered but still is hard to mask the dot count some times.
I do see the colors now that you mention it, but I hardly doubt this is an original specially with the art booklet. Not for nothing but I could do a better counterfit right here at home with my laser printer from a decent scan, hell, I could sacn it myself and get a much better result. So I honestly don't think there was as much production put into it as much as folks keep saying there was.
I do see the colors now that you mention it, but I hardly doubt this is an original specially with the art booklet. Not for nothing but I could do a better counterfit right here at home with my laser printer from a decent scan, hell, I could sacn it myself and get a much better result. So I honestly don't think there was as much production put into it as much as folks keep saying there was.
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damn
damn i would never tell the difference of a fake that good . that makes me not want to get aes carts of ebay
damn i would never tell the difference of a fake that good . that makes me not want to get aes carts of ebay
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This printing does NOT look like a fake to me. Anyone with a "euro" DD, Kizuna, or U11 can clearly see the exact same type of printing.
My guess is a smaller later print run, ie like the euro games, which saw small batch released.
4 color printing is not cheap, and having enough MS2 JPN to convert, then HOPE to sell in the secondary market, to make it worthwhile? No chance.
The conversion carts with high quality inserts are printed digitally, not offset.
"experts" as usual here at "all things neo geo".
ChrisR
My guess is a smaller later print run, ie like the euro games, which saw small batch released.
4 color printing is not cheap, and having enough MS2 JPN to convert, then HOPE to sell in the secondary market, to make it worthwhile? No chance.
The conversion carts with high quality inserts are printed digitally, not offset.
"experts" as usual here at "all things neo geo".
ChrisR
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Wolf,
Was the seller neoflo?
Was the seller neoflo?
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Ok, so the cat can come out of the bag. The situation has been resolved!
The game came from Neoayato (Laurent) via an eBay auction specifically claiming that it is not a conversion. Laurent claims it was an honest mistake and is refunding my money, despite the fact that this is an extremely old transaction. So my thanks go out to Laurent for making this right. To be honest, I am completely at his mercy and am grateful that the situation has been rectified.
Despite the difficulty of this transaction, I have had multiple successful purchases from him in the past and will continue to buy from him in the future.
Thanks again Laurent!
The game came from Neoayato (Laurent) via an eBay auction specifically claiming that it is not a conversion. Laurent claims it was an honest mistake and is refunding my money, despite the fact that this is an extremely old transaction. So my thanks go out to Laurent for making this right. To be honest, I am completely at his mercy and am grateful that the situation has been rectified.
Despite the difficulty of this transaction, I have had multiple successful purchases from him in the past and will continue to buy from him in the future.
Thanks again Laurent!
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I agree it is a gamble. It would look fine form most anyones camera in a forums for sale posting.
..When people still cared about homecarts?
i still care
if you don't - get out of this thread
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Home cart collecting is more fun than ever if you enjoy the chase. It's just more important to know and trust the seller, and to learn what you can about the history of the cart(s).