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I wish Games Workshop would come back to Gen Con. They had some truly epic booths and exhibits back in the day.

i was kinda disappointed by this last year, but i did some digging and found out why.
GW does their own Con which is almost as big as GenCon on it's own. They didnt see a reason to spread their resources.
It does give the smaller groups like Privateer Press a chance to really shine.

I like mini's and war games, but they are deep deep deep deep money pits. I don't think i'll ever play a CCG or war mini-based game ever again for that reason.
 

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i was kinda disappointed by this last year, but i did some digging and found out why.
GW does their own Con which is almost as big as GenCon on it's own. They didnt see a reason to spread their resources.
It does give the smaller groups like Privateer Press a chance to really shine.

I like mini's and war games, but they are deep deep deep deep money pits. I don't think i'll ever play a CCG or war mini-based game ever again for that reason.

I don't see how it could possibly be as big as Gen Con, which averages 25,000-30,000 attendees per year. If Games Workshop were that big on their own, they'd be dominating the industry. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they do quite well, but they'd need to be as widespread as Magic or Yu-gi-oh for them to do a convention the size of Gen Con without anybody else adding to the attraction. My understanding is that they're nowhere near the industry leader in the gaming community. I suppose I could be wrong about that, however. I'm just talking about my perceptions as a hobbyist in this particular realm for nearly 30 years and watching the trends rise and fall.

Gen Con is an industry wide convention, which is precisely why it draws so many people every year.

And as much as I love Games Workshop's products, I am in the same boat with you. Having to buy all those minis in order to field them is just cost prohibitive as well as being a massive time sink to assemble them and paint them. As awesome as painted metal minis look and feel, I'll just take the plastic ones given to me with Space Hulk and Blood Bowl in order to have a little fun for a few hours.

I could never do Magic again, either. Having to continually buy cards in order to stay competitive is just not cool for me. I'd rather buy a sourcebook for a RPG or a board game with everything I need, and just mine that as much as possible to get the most fun out of the product. We've been using BESM for years as our primary role playing system and even though it's undergone some heavy modifications over the years by our gaming group, we continue to get entertainment out of our ten dollar rule books.
 

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i was kinda disappointed by this last year, but i did some digging and found out why.
GW does their own Con which is almost as big as GenCon on it's own. They didnt see a reason to spread their resources.
It does give the smaller groups like Privateer Press a chance to really shine.

I like mini's and war games, but they are deep deep deep deep money pits. I don't think i'll ever play a CCG or war mini-based game ever again for that reason.

Board War Games > Tabletop Miniature War Games

That is just my opinion though.
 

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Yeah. there is a reason WOTC owns everything.

It's because Magic was/is a huge money maker.


Game Workshop is huuuge Taiso. They are huge worldwide. Their line up was getting a lil stale, but the LOTR licensing brought them back in a big way. I didn't think they had the pull for a large Con either, but i looked into it last year.

the one dealer with GW minis at Gencon was crowded all day as well.
 

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Yeah. there is a reason WOTC owns everything.

It's because Magic was/is a huge money maker.


Game Workshop is huuuge Taiso. They are huge worldwide. Their line up was getting a lil stale, but the LOTR licensing brought them back in a big way. I didn't think they had the pull for a large Con either, but i looked into it last year.

the one dealer with GW minis at Gencon was crowded all day as well.

I used to hate WotC but then I realized that it's probably not WotC that is full of the cocksuckers I can't stand. It's Hasbro, who owns WotC.

And I'll have to look into Games Workshop. I still don't think they're as big as WotC. Magic's still pretty goddamned gigantic. But again, I've done absolutely no research in this respect. If they were as big as WotC, I think they'd be more a part of pop culture than they are. I mean...everyone has heard of Magic and seen the commercials. Not so much with the GW stuff (which I feel is, at any rate, superior product to Magic.)

I wonder where Blizzard fits into the hierarchy of 'gaming' in general, now that WoW is so massive.

Oh, and lest I sound like a pure hater, let me give props to WotC for developing a competent new version of the Star Wars RPG with the Saga Edition. They streamlined a pretty cumbersome role playing system by fine tuning it to be more like the minis game, albeit with a little extra beef for RPG campaigns. I'm told that D&D 4th Edition is sort of the 'Saga Edition' of D&D but I wouldn't know because I've never tried it or even looked at it at all.
 

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I don't think you can seperate WotC from Hasbro, making Hasbro, by default, larger than GW.

Of course, I also see a large disconnect between those who play board or card games (or even RPGs for that matter) and those who play Tabletop Miniature Games like GW's stuff.
 

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I don't think you can seperate WotC from Hasbro, making Hasbro, by default, larger than GW.

Of course, I also see a large disconnect between those who play board or card games (or even RPGs for that matter) and those who play Tabletop Miniature Games like GW's stuff.

Regarding the separation of Hasbro from WotC, there is a very different group of people running those two companies. The WotC people are, by and large, very much in favor of the gaming community and are generally great people to communicate with. There is a lot they want to do but just aren't allowed to do it because Hasbro makes a lot of the decisions and enforces a lot of the business strategies, and they're just stuck doing what they're told to do. A lot of big corporations run their subsidiaries like this and it's very frustrating to have to deal with it.

But in terms of simply comparing Hasbro to Games Workshop, if you just want to crunch numbers, there is no comparison. Hasbro is a giant that would crush Games Workshop underfoot and wipe the smear off its shoe on the lawn in terms of global influence and power.

And there is very much a disconnect between the board/card gamers and tabletop minis gamers. Magic is easier to embrace at a younger age and more people do it so it's sort of the more 'faddish' engagement of the two. A slavish devotion to Magic will probably help you construct a better deck, but the accessibility of the game and the way it's been sold to the market will naturally invite casual audiences to try it out.

Tabletop mini fans, by way of contrast, are a far more intense and dedicated group of individuals on a general level. There are a lot more to the rules and minutiea of 40k or Classic Battletech, for example, than there is in your standard CCG. That stuff can be intimidating and offputting to the casual audience. And when casual and hardcore gamers meet, the differences between the two types are bound to come out. Wii gamers vs. PC gamers, anyone?
 

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i don't think anyone ever said GW was bigger than Hasbro/WOTC.
 

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My point was it's hard to compare the size of GW with WotC because so often Hasbro simply gives properties to WotC or tells them what to do. While WotC has independence to deal with properties as they like, Hasbro rears it's head and uses it's might to help out WotC.

For example, Avalon Hill is now subsidiary brand under Wizards of the Coast. Previously Avalon Hill had been bought by Hasbro, but they weren't doing anything with it so they just gave it to WotC.

And then Hasbro added Milton Bradley properties [Hasbro Owns MB] to the Avalon Hill line like Axis and Allies.

See what I mean, zanyness!

FFG claims to be in the top 5 board game manufactuers in the World.
 
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I bought Age Of Empires III on Tanga yesterday for $29. 2nd Edition. That Tanga runs some durn good deals.

I've also made some other purchases recently. 2 weeks ago I bought:
-Alchemist
-Jambo (2 player card game, pretty highly rated)
-Memoir '44 (finally took the plunge, I have a friend interested in wargames finally)
-Bootleggers (deeply themed ameritrash, running moonshine to the speakeasies, hiding your still from the copper etc..., actually pretty fun)

I just completed a trade on BGG for my copy of Toledo (a very very simple Martin Wallace game, too light for my group), to acquire a nice copy of Paths of Glory! I've read the instructions for PoG 3 times now, and I'm still going to need to set this one up by myself to figure out exactly how to play. From reading the manual, it seems like the hardest part is learning and remembering all the exceptions.
 

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you'll have to tell me how long memoir44 takes. I think i'll try to demo that at some future game days if it is not too bad.

Also, after totally trashing mini games, I am looking for a small squad based mini game. My friends and I like mini's , but we both make too much money to play them. It will just turn into a giant war like our old 40k days. We need a small scale mini game like blood bowl or something.
 

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You could always play Classic Battletech as a miniatures game [i play it as a boardgame] it features 4 minis per side generally is my understanding.

But really I can't help you there, as a general rule i'm really not interested in any miniature games outside of GW's stuff. I view miniatures games as a hobby in itself, thus to dedicate my time to more than one miniatures game would be far too time consuming.

So I just mess around with 40K.

I do own Blood Bowl but that's a board game (same as Space Hulk.)

Command and Colors: Ancients > Memoir '44 :emb:

I'm also not really aware of any squad based board games that are at the man to man scale (where each piece represents one man.)
 
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i don't think anyone ever said GW was bigger than Hasbro/WOTC.

The original point that prompted the comparisons was that Games Workshop doesn't attend Gen Con because they have their own convention which is just as big as Gen Con. The response to this statement was that the only Games Workshop could host a convention the size and scope of Gen Con would be if their company was successful enough and popular enough to warrant attendance figures equal to Gen Con's.

Not even Wizards Of The Coast, the biggest and most successful gaming company in the industry, could host a yearly convention like Gen Con on their own. The industry as a whole has to band together and be present to draw the kind of numbers Gen Con does. Games Workshop doesn't have clout equal to the rest of the gaming industry combined.

That was why the comparisons in company power levels were made.

Hope that cleared it up.

You could always play Classic Battletech as a miniatures game [i play it as a boardgame] it features 4 minis per side generally is my understanding.

Battletech can be played with as few as one mech per side, to be truthful. It's not as much fun that way, though. The minimum amount, for purses of tactical variety and to have fun, is generally considered to be 4, however.

A 'lance' in Battletech consists of 4 mechs, usually of similar weight classes to create a sense of balance and realistic military structure. You wouldn't put squads of varying speeds in the same lance unless you were desperate to fill out ranks because weight classes in Battletech don't just determine the amount of firepower and durability a mech has, but also its function and purpose on the battlefield. Kinda like a real military unit. And these lances all combine to make up squads, platoons, regiments, batallions and so forth. I wouldn't be able to give you the breakdown on that stuff, however. I used to know the difference between those denominations when I was in my WW II phase but it's been a while and I'm too lazy to wiki it right now:P
 
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mechwarrior is a viable choice, but I'm an old mechwarrior player and that franchise is dead to me. We actually played a quick grind game at gencon.

i am curious about Privateer Press's HORDE, but no where on their webpage do they actually tell you what the fuck kinda game it is.
 

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mechwarrior is a viable choice, but I'm an old mechwarrior player and that franchise is dead to me. We actually played a quick grind game at gencon.

i am curious about Privateer Press's HORDE, but no where on their webpage do they actually tell you what the fuck kinda game it is.

Are you familiar with Warmachine?

Hordes and Warmachine are interchangeable in terms of rules or at least that is my understanding.

The armies from Hordes focus more on monsters and beasts while in Warmachine the armies are proper military armies (well, set in their fantasy universe.)
 

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Sneth, a 1000pts Chaos/Space Marine or Eldar army isn't very big tbh

My 1500pts Eldar host, 2nd ed list though, has 32 miniatures, 16 of which are plastic guardians which cost me like 20€ for the box.
 

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1000pt army isnt big. but i know myself and my friends, we would never settle on 1000 point.

First i had to have a squad of each eldar, then i needed the jetbikes, then the walker, and so on. ....

and why bother playing when you can't use all yur cool lil guys... and then it just turns into a mess.
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that's what we are trying to avoid by just going with a squad based game in mind.
Why did they have to kill Man o War :(
 

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1000pt army isnt big. but i know myself and my friends, we would never settle on 1000 point.
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Ofc not, that's why it clocks in at 2500pts atm, and I've got a Whfb Vampire Counts army coming along that is going for 3000pts :D

I'm going in for the kill

I just love painting miniatures and making scenery :D
 

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that's how they get ya. my eldar army was gigantic, and f'n sucked hard. Space marines with a laser cannon would 1 shot my avatar , it was ghey.

i used to have a baddass Skaven army in Bloodbowl, but no one wants to play.
That is perfect because your team is forced to be small and you can spend all the time you want with detail on the mini's.

That's what i'm looking for.
 

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Well, I've been a gw miniature nerd for a long time, and I've always felt that the modeling aspect of the hobby is cooler than the playing one :D That said, I've won quite a few games with my crap Eldar army. p.S my first Whfb army (3rd.ed) was Skaven ;D
 
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I just made a thread on BGG about my obsession with accessorizing my games. That's seriously the first thing I think about after opening up any new game. Like today, I went to Michaels and bought a 23" x 35" poster frame to mount my newly acquired Paths Of Glory map in. Then I picked up a Plano box to separate and organize the counters that come with the game. Seriously, this is part of my fun. It satisfies some kind of mathematical organizational impulse inside.
 
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