Michael Jackson, the man..ish, the memorial

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According to an AP report, Michael Jackson was still alive when he was found:

LOS ANGELES – Michael Jackson still had a faint pulse and his body was warm when his doctor found him in bed and not breathing, a lawyer for the doctor told The Associated Press on Sunday.

Edward Chernoff also said Dr. Conrad Murray never prescribed or gave Jackson the drugs Demerol or OxyContin. He denied reports suggesting Murray gave Jackson drugs that contributed to his death.

Chernoff told the AP that Murray was at the pop icon's rented mansion on Thursday afternoon when he discovered Jackson in bed and not breathing. The doctor immediately began administering CPR, Chernoff said.

"He just happened to find him in his bed, and he wasn't breathing," the lawyer said. "Mr. Jackson was still warm and had a pulse."

Jackson's family requested a private autopsy in part because of questions about Murray, the Rev. Jesse Jackson said Saturday. Murray also told the family an autopsy should be performed, Chernoff said.

Three days after the death of the King of Pop, celebrities descended on Los Angeles for a spectacular celebration of Jackson's life at the annual BET awards show.

Joe Jackson, Michael's father, walked on the red carpet wearing a black hat, sunglasses and a dark suit. He planned make an onstage appearance, show publicist Bobbi Marcus said.

"I just wish he could be here to celebrate himself," he said. "Sadly, he's not here, so I'm here to celebrate for him."

In a statement read at the show, Jackson's parents said they solely had the personal and legal "authority for our son and his children." It was their strongest declaration yet about their son's affairs.

People close to Michael Jackson have said since his death that they were concerned about his use of painkillers. Los Angeles County medical examiners completed their autopsy Friday and said Jackson had taken unspecified prescription medication.

Chernoff said any drugs the doctor gave Jackson were prescribed in response to a specific complaint from the entertainer.

"Dr. Murray has never prescribed nor administered Demerol to Michael Jackson," Chernoff said. "Not ever. Not that day. ... Not Oxycontin (either) for that matter."

Paramedics were called to the mansion while the doctor was performing CPR, according to a recording of the 911 call.

Because Jackson was so frail, Murray "administered with his hand behind his back to provide the necessary support," Chernoff said. Some have speculated the doctor botched the CPR.

"He's a trained doctor," Chernoff said. "He knows how to administer CPR."

Medics spent three-quarters of an hour trying to revive Jackson. He was pronounced dead later at UCLA Medical Center.

Murray was interviewed by investigators for three hours Saturday. His spokeswoman called Murray "a witness to this tragedy," not a suspect in the death, and police described the doctor as cooperative.

The attorney said Murray will wait to speak publicly until after the police and forensics investigation is complete.

"One of his best friends just died, essentially in his arms — yeah he's looking forward to telling his story," Chernoff said.
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How does the doctor just happen to be at (and inside) the house and find Michael unconscious in bed? Did he have his own key and let himself in? Did he say, "I hope you're dressed, because I'm about to walk into your bedroom. Wakey, wakey"?
 
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He had his own doctor. Probably hired to watch his health while he was preparing for the tour. Whether or not he was healthy enough for it was a big issue.
 
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The doctor performing CPR on the bed instead of the floor is beyond me.
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Sorry but this is hilarious.

Full-fledged doctor performing chest compressions on a cushion-like surface?

You learn about that being the wrong way in any basic CPR course.
 
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Crazy business to have happen while you're on a trip--suddenly all the news switches to one topic (unless you read the paper). The Iranian gov't is thrilled this must be happening.

I was actually in LA just this past weekend, I ended up driving by the crowd on Sunset (they'd closed to the public the street where he had rented the house).

Meh, we'll see... this will end up being like Elvis.

In fact, I breathlessly await the upcoming collaboration with Tupac :p

(if they don't do it, then someone should do a Grey Album-style mash-up just to mess with people)

seriously though, RIP --don't stop 'til you get enough.

The man was weird, but not a molester --I just don't believe the very suspicious parents and kids who made their dodgy accusations ("okay, $20m is enough for me to drop this civil case and not give the cops any info for a criminal case"). Jackson's financial problems seemed to finally force him to fight off one (which then garnered criminal charges), and he did so with complete legal success --but it made him suffer tremendously.
 
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I think Jackson clearly did suffer from some serious mental health issues that never got worked out.

But, yeah - I bet Iran is thrilled.
 
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Lagduf said:
I think Jackson clearly did suffer from some serious mental health issues that never got worked out.

But, yeah - I bet Iran is thrilled.
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...and Mark Sanford :p

It was like how Gary Condit was probably the only Congressman thrilled when 9/11 happened.
 
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Lagduf said:
I think Jackson clearly did suffer from some serious mental health issues that never got worked out.
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Definitely mental, and I think drugs only made it worse. From the bios I've seen in the past few days, it seems that he started his real prescription drug use after the burns he got in that infamous Pepsi commercial mishap (he also started the major plastic surgeries afterward). People who knew him say he started to get even more distant. I'm interested in the autopsy.

A lot of medical professionals, from Deepak Chopra to Drew Pinsky mentioned the problem of prescription addition and the really shady doctors who are always out there to peddle them... I have a lot of close friends who are doctors, this was actually one of the most common complains you hear from seasoned doctors --like lawyers, there are a lot of doctors out there to over-medicate (and do unnecessary surgery) just to supposedly please a patient but really line their own pockets.

All his problems were from being drugged out, surrounded by terrible leeches and enablers, and putting himself in a position so that litigious people could take advantage. He's not a hero, but a tragic figure --as one commentator put it, for the last 15 years he had the anti-Midas touch.
 
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Its time to break the silence: return Captain EO to TomorrowLand!

(link includes YouTube links)
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/a-clockwork-orange/eo/

I'd seen it during its early years, but I was also one of the last people to see it at DisneyLand --my high school had "grad night at Disneyland" in the final month it was there in '97, and it was packed with people who enjoyed it.
 
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Bobak said:
Its time to break the silence: return Captain EO to TomorrowLand!

(link includes YouTube links)
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/a-clockwork-orange/eo/

I'd seen it during its early years, but I was also one of the last people to see it at DisneyLand --my high school had "grad night at Disneyland" in the final month it was there in '97, and it was packed with people who enjoyed it.
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Oh Gawd yes!! Sadly, I was talking to a coworker about Captain EO the day before he died. :crying:
 
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Bobak said:
The man was weird, but not a molester --I just don't believe the very suspicious parents and kids who made their dodgy accusations ("okay, $20m is enough for me to drop this civil case and not give the cops any info for a criminal case"). Jackson's financial problems seemed to finally force him to fight off one (which then garnered criminal charges), and he did so with complete legal success --but it made him suffer tremendously.
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I wish you were here this weekend :) This is a good summation of it, I think.
 
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Bobak said:
The man was weird, but not a molester --I just don't believe the very suspicious parents and kids who made their dodgy accusations
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I don't understand how an otherwise rational person can assume the two things are mutually exclusive. The shadiness of the parents doesn't lessen the possibility of wrongdoing on Michael's part. In fact, he'd be incapable of abusing any children without first finding shady parents to deal with. The fact the parents were suspicious doesn't prove anything one way or the other.
 
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If any of the kids were molested why did they keep going back to be with Michael?

When a kid is sexually abused in any way it gets weird and uncomfortable to them, they wouldn't be going back.
 
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SouthtownKid said:
I don't understand how an otherwise rational person can assume the two things are mutually exclusive. The shadiness of the parents doesn't lessen the possibility of wrongdoing on Michael's part. In fact, he'd be incapable of abusing any children without first finding shady parents to deal with. The fact the parents were suspicious doesn't prove anything one way or the other.
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You're right, but being legally exonerated does help the argument...

Face it: if one day someone accused Prince of doing some quirky illegal act, you wouldn't be as surprised as if someone said it was Stevie Wonder. Jackson was the perfect target for opportunists, and his choice of managers/employees only further proved how he let himself get repeatedly taken advantage of. The man was just weird, naive and too drugged out to cut it out.
 
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Bobak said:
The man was just weird, naive and too drugged out
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Being weird, naive and too drugged out are great examples of things that don't make it any less likely he abused the kids.


Xian Xi said:
If any of the kids were molested why did they keep going back to be with Michael?

When a kid is sexually abused in any way it gets weird and uncomfortable to them, they wouldn't be going back.
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Why have so many Catholic kids who have been molested by a priest kept going back to church? Sometimes for years before ever saying anything? People don't always act in a way that makes sense.
 
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SouthtownKid said:
Why have so many Catholic kids who have been molested by a priest kept going back to church? Sometimes for years before ever saying anything? People don't always act in a way that makes sense.
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That's dumb. Kids don't go to church because they want to, they are forced to by parents.
 
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Xian Xi said:
That's dumb. Kids don't go to church because they want to, they are forced to by parents.
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You think it was the kids' choice to go to Michael's house?! You think a little kid wakes up and says, "Dad, do you know where I'd like to go today? I'd like to go sleep over at Michael Jackson's house"...? Get real.

This goes back to Bobak's theory that these shady, opportunistic parents could have been taking advantage of Michael. They could have wanted it to happen for the payday, and made the kids go.
 
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