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Pretty blasé attitude towards potential child molestation you have there, Jeddah.
Michael Jackson, the man..ish, the memorial
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Obvious to you it seems. You've got all the answers don't you dipshit? Still no proof he molested any children. Does it look bad, sure, but he was aquited by a jury of the last charges. But here's the thing, niether you or I have concrete proof of either side. That's the only truth in this whole thing. And we won't know for awhile. And guess what, if he did, then so be it.
Well here's a accusations, you're an asshole. Court adjourned.
Hahaha dude, Jedah, settle down. I like you bro, but you look like some fanatic little girl in this thread. Why are you jocking MJ so hard? If you think his music was good, that`s one thing. But if it was just some average dude on the chopping block accused of child molestation, with rumors like the ones surrounding this case (whether they were true or not), all of us would be ready to crucify that person...
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Seriously fuck off Southtown. I said so be it. I didn't say it was right. It is what it is. If he did it, that's screwed up.
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You said, "So be it." As in, "If he did it, he did it -- so what?"
So, fuck you. That's what.
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I'm just tired of all the bullshit. Today isn't the day we should be going on a witch hunt. Today a man died and there should be some deceny and honor in that. He may have very well molested those kids, and if he did, then that will be a dark part of his legacy. In all honesty, I hope the truth is found out no matter what the outcome. As a father of a son myself, it's no joking matter. I just think it's all about timing.
That's not what I meant at all, but hey, make whatever assumptions you want to. It's at small distraction from my raw leg you dry hump so much.
Thanks for the attention though, it shows you really do care.
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if not for MJ's records being absolute universal classics, then people would be looking at him like they do R. Kelly. i mean seriously, if it was R Kelly who made Thriller, Off The Wall, Bad and Dangerous, would people be crucifying him for peeing on girls (even when he too has been acquitted of all charges) or singing his praises if he passes away?
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The more I think about this, the more annoyed I am. Seriously! I'm not exaggerating when I say that yesterday, this guy was considered by pretty much everyone to be either a joke or a pedophile (or both).
Now he's some kind of misunderstood saintly type.
Don't get me wrong. For me an for many others, this is the death of an icon that we loved when we were kids. I still remember hearing Michael for the first time and being blown away.
But that doesn't change the fact that that guy was fucked up in ways we can scarcely imagine. Sugar-coating the man's life is offensive. Period.
And the way everyone is rushing to venerate him and excuse him for fucking little kids... Good lord. What the fuck is wrong with us. More and more, I think that we're a profoundly sick society, if guys like this are our heroes.
Now he's some kind of misunderstood saintly type.
Don't get me wrong. For me an for many others, this is the death of an icon that we loved when we were kids. I still remember hearing Michael for the first time and being blown away.
But that doesn't change the fact that that guy was fucked up in ways we can scarcely imagine. Sugar-coating the man's life is offensive. Period.
And the way everyone is rushing to venerate him and excuse him for fucking little kids... Good lord. What the fuck is wrong with us. More and more, I think that we're a profoundly sick society, if guys like this are our heroes.
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Guys like MJ are only the heroes of idiots.
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See, that`s what I was trying to get at. If it was just some average guy who died while being investigated on these accusations, most people would say, "good."
If he is guilty of the crimes he is accused of, then I don`t think death should extricate him.
If he is guilty of the crimes he is accused of, then I don`t think death should extricate him.
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I couldn't agree more. My only point has been that over the last decade, he's had a lot of crap thrown his way. Some of it brought on by his own actions, but a lot of it brought on by speculation and plain old gossip. But on the day of his death, give the guy a bit of a respite.
Was JFK a womanizer, hell yea, but on the day he was assasinated, no one was proclaiming, "Hey, that guys screwed around with other chicks!".
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While he was still alive, let's get real...he was pretty much shunned my most folks. I used to have this whole line of reasoning that basically said, "You know, no matter how bad you may have fucked up in your own life...you haven't fucked up as badly as Michael Jackson." The man had the entire world by the balls in his 20s...and couldn't hang on.
The guy had more talent than just about any of us, save for perhaps a few other musicians and athletes. Arguably the most famous individual on Earth in his lifetime. And yet, despite all this, despite access to untold wealth and the ability to literally do whatever the hell he wanted...he couldn't escape his demons. No one in his big crazy entourage or insane family ever had the balls to tell him, "Dude...fuck off with having a bunch of eight-year old boys here for a sleepover. See a shrink...stat!"
I'm not excusing what he may or may not have done with children. Fact is, we get into a massive gray area when we are talking about the motivations of the parents of accusers. So much money at stake, so much 'evidence' based purely on who said what...no one can claim a monopoly on the truth. Does it excuse it if he did it? No. But none of us are God, and if there is in fact a God, he's being judged right now. It's out of our hands. Again, let he who is without sin...cast the first stone.
In the end, I like to think of it as a positive commentary on humanity that most folks don't want to roll around in the mud of the man's dark side. They just want to remember that talent that burned within him, that power to create these amazing songs that made people the world over shake their asses. Music is one of the few things that does bring people together regardless of nationality or religion and he was perhaps the only undisputed global superstar ever. We all have memories of our own lives tied to these songs, they all recall an age where pop culture wasn't so splintered and channel-specific and we all grooved more or less to the same shit.
This whole phenomenon is about a lot more than one man and his shortcomings.
It's a mistake to think so.
While he was still alive, let's get real...he was pretty much shunned my most folks. I used to have this whole line of reasoning that basically said, "You know, no matter how bad you may have fucked up in your own life...you haven't fucked up as badly as Michael Jackson." The man had the entire world by the balls in his 20s...and couldn't hang on.
The guy had more talent than just about any of us, save for perhaps a few other musicians and athletes. Arguably the most famous individual on Earth in his lifetime. And yet, despite all this, despite access to untold wealth and the ability to literally do whatever the hell he wanted...he couldn't escape his demons. No one in his big crazy entourage or insane family ever had the balls to tell him, "Dude...fuck off with having a bunch of eight-year old boys here for a sleepover. See a shrink...stat!"
I'm not excusing what he may or may not have done with children. Fact is, we get into a massive gray area when we are talking about the motivations of the parents of accusers. So much money at stake, so much 'evidence' based purely on who said what...no one can claim a monopoly on the truth. Does it excuse it if he did it? No. But none of us are God, and if there is in fact a God, he's being judged right now. It's out of our hands. Again, let he who is without sin...cast the first stone.
In the end, I like to think of it as a positive commentary on humanity that most folks don't want to roll around in the mud of the man's dark side. They just want to remember that talent that burned within him, that power to create these amazing songs that made people the world over shake their asses. Music is one of the few things that does bring people together regardless of nationality or religion and he was perhaps the only undisputed global superstar ever. We all have memories of our own lives tied to these songs, they all recall an age where pop culture wasn't so splintered and channel-specific and we all grooved more or less to the same shit.
This whole phenomenon is about a lot more than one man and his shortcomings.
It's a mistake to think so.
Getting older does that....
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Woa, this is getting out of hand.
I don't agree with people saying that some of us are trying to make him a saint or likewise. Neither do I agree with people saying things like "when was the last time you thought of him in the past 10 years apart from negative stuff in the news"
I often hear some of his tunes mixed in somewhere, and it makes me remember who he is... true. And here is a quote of mine earlier on that sums up what I think... and instead of babling the same shit again, here it is:
I don't agree with people saying that some of us are trying to make him a saint or likewise. Neither do I agree with people saying things like "when was the last time you thought of him in the past 10 years apart from negative stuff in the news"
I often hear some of his tunes mixed in somewhere, and it makes me remember who he is... true. And here is a quote of mine earlier on that sums up what I think... and instead of babling the same shit again, here it is:
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There's also a pretty large difference between being an alleged womanizer and being an alleged child molester. If JFK had affairs, yes, that's horrible, but we're talking about consenting adults.
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You guys should see ebays forums
Every thread is titled with things like 'Brought MJ tickets' 'Brought tickets may not be able to get money back'
Sucks for them who spent thousands on front row.
and R.I.P to MJ, shocking news when my girlfreind told me last night.
Every thread is titled with things like 'Brought MJ tickets' 'Brought tickets may not be able to get money back'
Sucks for them who spent thousands on front row.
and R.I.P to MJ, shocking news when my girlfreind told me last night.
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Because it might take weeks or months for a rural populace to get any news on the death of a famous person and that the cult of celebrity would be relegated to a few individuals whose fame didn't extend outside the region (or even City-State) they lived in?
Though I suspect you're actually getting at the molestation issue.
Generally I think the average person is completely undereducated on ancient Greece, particularly when their entire knowledge of the time period stems from Athens and Sparta which were the most atypical, and radical of all the City-States. Then of course we are bombarded with shit like 300 which has near zero resemblance to the actual events it portrays, but dumb people assume it as gospel fact simply because they because they don't understand it's a fictional, heavily stylized portrayal.
I do hate that the media seeks to sensationalize the fact that some male Geeks had relationships with other male Greeks. It's always presented as some ancient curiosity which to me means homosexuality is still a taboo topic in our society. Plus they examine the attitudes and actions of the Greeks solely using our own modern world view without making an attempt to understand the attitudes and actions of the Greeks from their own perspective. I find it instrumental to understand why they did what they did because only then can you make an assessment on it using your own world view.
Lets derail this MJ thread straight to hell.
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Now, leaving out children and pedophilia completely, wasn't it Gore Vidal who said there was no such thing as homosexuality, just homosexual acts?
As forward moving as we think we are, when it comes to sexuality, we're kind of confused.
While I acknowledge the idea that there is a lot of evidence that stacks up against MJ, it is also interesting to note just how uncomfortable people were about a successful black man who was effeminate.
Guilty of the charges against him or no, I always found it interesting how much people were freaked out by him. People were out to get him. You always have to remember that when you consider the charges.
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Exactly.
He should be remembered for his dominating career in the 80s.
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