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TonK said:
I have to agree here. This rule never made any sense to me. This is where I would vote to repeal a rule.
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I have to agree here. This rule never made any sense to me. This is where I would vote to repeal a rule.
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When it comes to the whole bootleg scene, what grey areas do exist? There's Modded, conversion, fake shells, etc. Selling fake art/MM with a real cart. From Bibliophile words. 1. Ghostlop is allowed. 6. Bootlegs are not allowed if you just want to make a profit. You can make a Ghostlop for less than a quarter than what they're selling for. You should stop making exceptions for exceptions. Either allow it or don't. I don't see how selling Bootlegs should be banned as long as they are LABELED as such.
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Ruell made a separate thread for it, but I think it is also a suggestion to make here:
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=177256.
How about separate forums for Everything Else Selling and Everything Else Wanted? It would make the Everything Else Forum less congested, and also allow members to have a buying thread and a selling thread without violating the one-thread-per-forum rule. This would be particularly helpful if someone is buying and selling two completely unrelated items, where one is likely to dilute or confuse the other, e.g.:
FS: CPS Dungeons & Dragons, X-Men, Street Fighter II, WTB: Guitar Hero III Xbox 360.
If we could split them up, it would also help members resolve this. It would also save time: those who are looking to buy but not sell, would not have to lose time by skimming over what everybody is else trying to buy, too.
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=177256.
How about separate forums for Everything Else Selling and Everything Else Wanted? It would make the Everything Else Forum less congested, and also allow members to have a buying thread and a selling thread without violating the one-thread-per-forum rule. This would be particularly helpful if someone is buying and selling two completely unrelated items, where one is likely to dilute or confuse the other, e.g.:
FS: CPS Dungeons & Dragons, X-Men, Street Fighter II, WTB: Guitar Hero III Xbox 360.
If we could split them up, it would also help members resolve this. It would also save time: those who are looking to buy but not sell, would not have to lose time by skimming over what everybody is else trying to buy, too.
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Rade said:
I think that this is acceptable.
I think a good way around this whole WTT/WTB acronym business is to come up with some Posticons that show up next to the posts and actually says WTB/WTS/WTT etc. in order to save type and confusion.
Would it be possible to lock the selling forums to only be able to use these instead of access to the ones like the rest of the forums get?
Just an idea to simplify things.
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Ruell said:
Therein lies the problem... a dishonest (or ignorant) seller wouldn't label them as a boot.
I don't see anything wrong selling with MVS->AES conversions of games that never made it to the Home system, or proto games made into carts. The rest probably shouldn't be allowed though. No more Metal Slug 1 conversions or stuff like that, since counterfeiters are getting good at duping people into thinking they are the real deal. Boots should not be sold at all, even if labeled as such... they should be thrown in the trash, or stripped to the bare boards and sold in that fashion for "legit" conversions as above, or for homebrew development.
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This is bullshit, 3 pages of inane waffling over some sales rules. rules I didn't even read.
you know why? because I take care to buy and sell properly in the first place, if you get stung by a noob, its your fault, what are you dealing with noobs for.
if you're careful who you deal with there really should be no need to worry about all this.
you know why? because I take care to buy and sell properly in the first place, if you get stung by a noob, its your fault, what are you dealing with noobs for.
if you're careful who you deal with there really should be no need to worry about all this.
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Is Ghostlop disallowed? I wasn't around for the drama (that initial Ghostlop selling thread should be in the "Best Of" board) so I don't see what the big deal is. The game never got released, but fortunately the game has been leaked to the public so that we can all play it on the real hardware. It makes sense to me that you have to charge a little money for the materials and your trouble, but a person shouldn't really be profiting from it. Otherwise, I think it's an important service.
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I know the debate on Ghostlop must have happened years before I joined the forum, so I won't try to rehash it. But can someone summarize why it would not be allowed? If SNK never released it, then they are not losing any profits by someone else making it, which puts it in a different category than a bootleg copy of a released game.
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Bibliophile said:
SNK isnt losing any profits from any bootleg.
They dont support the AES or MVS anymore, they dont make new games for either hardware.
Buying a used REAL AES cart is putting just as much money into SNKs pocket as a bootleg or conversion.
This argument is silly.
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Nesagwa said:
That is a good point, but it still begs the question: why are sales of Ghostlop not allowed?
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Bibliophile said:
Im guessing Bobak, wasabi and the other mods decided to stick to the "this thread is here for discussion, even if you disagree with this stuff and we agree with you a little, THIS SHIT ISNT CHANGING so sit down and shut the fuck up" idea.
I have one small sugestion.
Can we PLEASE make the sellers include in there selling post that the item is coming from either SFE (smoke free environment) or SE (smoke environment)
or hell just add SE if it's coming from an SE place and don't add anything if it's a SFE location.
I hate to buy something I really want just to find out when I get it that there's a strong cigarete smell on it.
I know it's as simple as sending the item back, but somethings you send it back and then get nothing back, It happend to me with a $350 Dreamcast bundle, so I don't like doing that, so I just find someone local to sell it to. BUT I do tell them about the smell.
I know that 80% of items being sold are from a SFE but you do get those SE items every now and then, and sellers mention nothing about it.
Just my 2 pesos, other than that, I agree with the rules 100%
Can we PLEASE make the sellers include in there selling post that the item is coming from either SFE (smoke free environment) or SE (smoke environment)
or hell just add SE if it's coming from an SE place and don't add anything if it's a SFE location.
I hate to buy something I really want just to find out when I get it that there's a strong cigarete smell on it.
I know it's as simple as sending the item back, but somethings you send it back and then get nothing back, It happend to me with a $350 Dreamcast bundle, so I don't like doing that, so I just find someone local to sell it to. BUT I do tell them about the smell.
I know that 80% of items being sold are from a SFE but you do get those SE items every now and then, and sellers mention nothing about it.
Just my 2 pesos, other than that, I agree with the rules 100%
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Bobak said:
Not really....
If the buyer cares that much, he/she should ask first.
The smoke smell does dissipate rid rather quickly.
I wonder how long all of my 80's PCB's spent in a Smoke Free Enviorment.
Also: SNK-P should stop worrying about overpriced, glitchy MVS boots and start worrying about not making glitchy DS carts and compilations that don't Map to the D-PAD.
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i was mentioned here and i just found out about this thread. so please forgive if its been covered.
well i see plenty of ghostlops being sold in the last 30 day. some how when i started to create a few it became an issue.
i want some kind of official word on sale of any ghostlop (resale or newly created ghostlops). is it just an issue becuase i can make them or put a serial /my nick on them becuase i have been giving every one i make 6 months warranty just in case and the label tells me when i created. im willing to change any part of how i do them now.
i not making much ive been rolling most of the money back into eproms and sac carts.
i want to again beable to sell these here.
i also do not want to step on any of the mods here as ive been talked to by one that hasnt weighed into that i read of this thread so far.
well i see plenty of ghostlops being sold in the last 30 day. some how when i started to create a few it became an issue.
i want some kind of official word on sale of any ghostlop (resale or newly created ghostlops). is it just an issue becuase i can make them or put a serial /my nick on them becuase i have been giving every one i make 6 months warranty just in case and the label tells me when i created. im willing to change any part of how i do them now.
i not making much ive been rolling most of the money back into eproms and sac carts.
i want to again beable to sell these here.
i also do not want to step on any of the mods here as ive been talked to by one that hasnt weighed into that i read of this thread so far.
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That is not a good point. It's an old point too. The game isn't your property and you don't own the right to play it unless you paid for a legit copy of the game. Period. Re-releases like the new PS2/PSP collection prove that the copyright holders are still trying to make some money from the games, and bootlegs interfere with that. If you own a second-hand bootleg copy you are not directly the person committing the theft, but what you own is residual theft, not the real thing.Nesagwa said:
I only take exception with Ghostlop because it's the only way people will play it on the real Neo Geo system, but that doesn't make it right.
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if it is not to be sold i also request it be removed from the price guides and master lists. these contribute to the idea that this site supports ghostlop.
i also request all info scrubbed from this site on creation of boots and ghostlops. again this info seems to support the idea that this site supports boots.
i also request all info scrubbed from this site on creation of boots and ghostlops. again this info seems to support the idea that this site supports boots.
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It is beginning to sound like one of the mods has a big problem with Ghostlop, but the rest don't care. If the rest don't care, whoever has a problem with it should relent and allow it as well.
