Neo Geo CD Conversion Project.

JMKurtz · Feb 22, 2005

I'll guarantee that the Beast demo won't run on real hardware properly... I'm taking advantage of an emulator flaw.

I did this on purpose -- a little test -- that way if I ever decided that I wanted to release something for ROM use only (say a demo of a game), a few unscrupulous individuals wouldn't be able to burn the demo for use/sale on real hardware.

You don't have to remove my stuff -- I'm interested to see if anyone has tested them on a CD system because I never got around to testing them .

Jeff

KaNyErO said:
I dont really know if they work in real hardware but they should. It would be great to make a compability table using different emulators and real hardware (nebula, neocdsdl, neocdsld DC, Ngcd, Ngcdz).

Large · Feb 22, 2005

KaNyErO said:
@ large : i think having roms without the real board is ilegal too.

Yes it is.

KaNyErO said:
I think snk allows the usage of its material for fan made games (for example mugen).

No they don't. Playmore e.g. stopped the development of Neo Pong some time ago.

KaNyErO said:
Since the games converted are quite old and dont have support, and there are not profits with them i think there will be not problems at all

I believe they like to make profit out of old games, too. Maybe later on in some kind of collection like Midway Arcade Treasures. Atm they sell MS3 for Xbox and PS2.

Cheers
Large

barf · Feb 22, 2005

Thanks Jeff for the info could prove useful :P

Sound is something i badly lack on MVS... i can play a "sound" that already exists in puzzledp, puzzled or crossed sword but that s it

Well, i have a hard time enough with gameplay to bother thinking about sound right now anyway ^^

kuk · Feb 22, 2005

Hello

i copy some game in a CDRW and i try it in a CDZ and a CD1, so anyone run in a real hardware

OlderGames · Feb 22, 2005

Large said:
Yes it is.

No it's not. Changes were made to the DMCA a year
ago with a sub-section that stated if a game/software product
was to use specific hardware and providing said product and
hardware were not readily available in the marketplace that
one could own the roms for preservation purposes.

If you're talking gamecube, xbox or ps2 you can bet your
ass it's jailtime. If you're talking NG then we are talking
about a now officially non-supported format which is
and has been dead in the marketplace for years
and either through emulation or AES/MVS it does require
the specific hardware or emulated version thereof to play.

Feel free to search the net, this is common knowledge
now to most IP attourneys and game developers.

KaNyErO · Feb 22, 2005

please try this games:

gururin *
neo mr do *
andro dunnos *
king of the monsters
panic bomber
puzzle de pon
legend of succes joe
janshin

maybe newer ones has any kind of protection :S

* those games were converted by cdoty and his conversions seems to work, so maybe mine should too.

for those who made coasters, have you verified your cd runs in any emulator?

i think that maybe the way the cd is burn could affect the compatibility (mode1 or mode 2, with or without CDA tracks...)..... or maybe just a bug in abs.txt bib.txt and cpy.txt .... PSSSSS DONT TOUCH IPL.TXT

edit: those txt were verified against zintrick so they should be ok

Julio · Feb 23, 2005

I'd be so happy if Money Idol Exchanger could be converted to Neo CD ! :mr_t:

kuk · Feb 23, 2005

Hello KaNyErO

so i try the CD with a PC émulator (NeoGeoCD), and he not run, so it's probably my copy, i will try to modificat him

Robert · Feb 23, 2005

Since a CD conversion of some existing carts won't add better music (since there are taken from the cartdrige) and will add loading times, I don't see the point.

Amano Jacu · Feb 23, 2005

Robert said:
Since a CD conversion of some existing carts won't add better music (since there are taken from the cartdrige) and will add loading times, I don't see the point.

Well, the point can be that some people own a NGCD but don't own a cart system, so this a way to play in real hardware games they were not allowed to before. This is the only reason I can see, because playing them in an PC emulator is totally pointless, better just use the regular roms. I also heard some people may want this to be able to use the Dreamcast NGCD emulator as there's no rom emulator for it, but that is, in my opinion, kinda lame (that's what the xbox rom emu is for

)

Robert · Feb 23, 2005

I see your point Amano and it makes sense.

Playing conversions (I wrote emu in the first place but I corrected it since I don't want to pollute this thread with an useless conversion/emulation argument) on a real hardware sounds better than playing emu on a PC/Xbox.

nazi muerto abono pa mi huerto · Feb 23, 2005

i will try those games on my cdz when i buy some new cds.... ( da un poco palo sorry ^^U )

Large · Feb 23, 2005

OlderGames said:
No it's not. Changes were made to the DMCA a year
ago with a sub-section that stated if a game/software product
was to use specific hardware and providing said product and
hardware were not readily available in the marketplace that
one could own the roms for preservation purposes.

If you're talking gamecube, xbox or ps2 you can bet your
ass it's jailtime. If you're talking NG then we are talking
about a now officially non-supported format which is
and has been dead in the marketplace for years
and either through emulation or AES/MVS it does require
the specific hardware or emulated version thereof to play.

Feel free to search the net, this is common knowledge
now to most IP attourneys and game developers.

Bootlegs from Neo Geo games are legal? I still doubt this.

Cheers
Large

kuk · Feb 25, 2005

i try to copy cd again and again but nothings run with an emulator too

Hmkay · Feb 25, 2005

Robert said:
Playing conversions (...) on a real hardware sounds better than playing emu on a PC/Xbox.

PC and X-Box are fake hardware ?

greyimp · Feb 25, 2005

twalden said:
I just made a Ghostlop coaster

$50 Shipped :tickled:

OlderGames · Feb 25, 2005

Large said:
Bootlegs from Neo Geo games are legal? I still doubt this.

Cheers
Large

Did I say that? I said ROM's. Selling bootlegs is illegal because you
are taking a profit, giving them away "which nobody would do" is
legally grey. Making a derivative of an existing copyrighted product
is also illegal less of course you are able to use more or equal to
at least 50% original work. Making CD-based derivatives of
Chip-Based games is legally grey since converting between such
formats could be argued as a ported derivative of an original
copyrighted work and therefore be original in itself as a standalone
port of said copyrighted work.

Once again... google is your friend... go meet him. :cool:

dhowerter · Feb 26, 2005

This project is friggin cool..

BTW, no chance at all for porting Metal Slug 3 to Neo CD?

(If amount of room is a problem, could you make it a 2 cd game?)

Also, Id LOVE to see the following ported from MVS to Neo CD:

- Shock Troopers

- Shock Troopers 2

- Metal Slug 3

- Metal Slug X

- Blazing Star

Oh yeah and will the Neo CD emulator on Dreamcast play Burned Neo CD games? (either in its current version (9.3) or eventually?)

Because while getting say, Blazing Star, on Neo CD is darn cool, playing it on a Dreamcast (with virtually NO load times at all) is even COOLER

Amano Jacu · Feb 26, 2005

Hmkay said:
PC and X-Box are fake hardware ?

Yes

Kumavnmitsurugi · Feb 26, 2005

Just wanted to report that i burned Zupapa and tryed it on my neogeo CD. THe thing just loads for a while, and then the screen goes back to the neo CD sign that loads up when you start the machine (it loops)

so i guess zupapa doesnt work on a real neo cd :crying:

kernow · Feb 26, 2005

ms3... HAHAA

kuk · Feb 27, 2005

Kumavnmitsurugi said:
Just wanted to report that i burned Zupapa and tryed it on my neogeo CD. THe thing just loads for a while, and then the screen goes back to the neo CD sign that loads up when you start the machine (it loops)

so i guess zupapa doesnt work on a real neo cd

the Neo Geo Cd begin to loading or she don't know the CD ?

Tehcno · Feb 27, 2005

dhowerter said:
Oh yeah and will the Neo CD emulator on Dreamcast play Burned Neo CD games? (either in its current version (9.3) or eventually?)

Yes, it plays the real games or burned ones.

The Legendary LoneWolf · Feb 27, 2005

Can someone make all neo CD 's play on x-box as I am sick of playing all my neo CD's on my neo CD as I can't keep bothering 2 play them all.
My friend said he's got one that has all AES games BUT I HATE the AES music, so can one make all neo CD s play on x-box and still have ALL the music and make it save like that and even play music like in the beginning ?

PM me if u can

blastar · Feb 27, 2005

REMOVAL REQUEST!

i'm the author of neonopanepon, 2500 and systemcheck - i never released a cd-version and i don't like this hacked fake-releases.

please remove this ASAP!

blastar...

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