what the FUCK was 2001 a space odyssey about
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Just saw it today too. Its was getting real good intill the ending. WTF?
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Read the book, it will all make sense. Kinda. Sorta. Maybe.not sonic said:
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Dinodoedoe said:
Hyper-advanced race of creatures (the monolith creators) + David Bowen = Star Child
Basically, thanks in part to the monolith and its creators, Bowen has transcended past the point of physical form and evolved into a being who can be free to do what he pleases without the confines and restrictions that we as humans have come to know.
Or something like that...
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CurtWRX said:
Preach brother, preach
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I saw it 3 times at age 12 (hated it), 16 (didn't really get it), and 19 (finally enjoyed it).
I guess its one of those movies that rewards a more sophisticated viewer. By sophisticated I don't mean "smart", I mean someone who's started studying movies and become appreciative of differing styles that a lot of casual viewers just don't care about.
It's a toughie. I don't usually recommend it to people because of it. Not one of may favorite movies, but a good movie. I really do enjoy it now.
Let me tell you, you will hate the original Solaris.
I guess its one of those movies that rewards a more sophisticated viewer. By sophisticated I don't mean "smart", I mean someone who's started studying movies and become appreciative of differing styles that a lot of casual viewers just don't care about.
It's a toughie. I don't usually recommend it to people because of it. Not one of may favorite movies, but a good movie. I really do enjoy it now.
Let me tell you, you will hate the original Solaris.
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The film is a MASTERPIECE, go back and watch it another forty times and you'll see the brillance in it... *seriously.
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Fukattie said:
Heh
Yeah, 2010 definitely makes 2001 into a "standard" sci-fi movie.
While pretty much forgotten its worth watching once -especially if you saw 2001.
Just realize its a fairly standard movie -so if you hated 2001 you'll probably like 2010 a lot more.
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I need to see 2001 again. I havent watched it since I was really young, and of course it was WAY over my head at the time. I enjoyed quite the epiphany with Blade Runner once I got older (didn't get it when I was 11, and now I worship it). Perhaps it'll be the same way.
I've read all the books in the series, 2001, 2010, 2061, 3001.
Arthur C. Clarke is the fucking bomb.
I've read all the books in the series, 2001, 2010, 2061, 3001.
Arthur C. Clarke is the fucking bomb.
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If you love and study cinema, you'll love and study 2001: A Space Odyssey. It's just that simple. It's why the film consistently dominates Director's and Critic's polls.
You're heard of an artist's artist or an actor's actor? It's because most often only people working in the same profession can pick up on the nuance of their art, and appreciate the work. Some people aim for the masses, others work solely for themselves. Kubrick was the latter. Thank God.
You're heard of an artist's artist or an actor's actor? It's because most often only people working in the same profession can pick up on the nuance of their art, and appreciate the work. Some people aim for the masses, others work solely for themselves. Kubrick was the latter. Thank God.
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Merc is right, 2001 is more than a masterpiece.
The film deals with challenge, evolution, tools and how they become a threat to mankind one day, and with reaching beyond the here and now to take the next evolutionary step towards the idea of a space child, a new generation of four-dimensional human beings.
The "sequel" (2010) only partly explains the first one, because there really isn't a lot to explain, it's just Kubrick's expressionist and unusual visual and aural presentation that confuses a lot of viewers.
If you still don't know what I'm talking about, here's the solution:
Kubrick 2001 - The Space Oddyssey Explained
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The film deals with challenge, evolution, tools and how they become a threat to mankind one day, and with reaching beyond the here and now to take the next evolutionary step towards the idea of a space child, a new generation of four-dimensional human beings.
The "sequel" (2010) only partly explains the first one, because there really isn't a lot to explain, it's just Kubrick's expressionist and unusual visual and aural presentation that confuses a lot of viewers.
If you still don't know what I'm talking about, here's the solution:
Kubrick 2001 - The Space Oddyssey Explained
Needs Flash plugin.
Have fun.
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I was transfixed by this movie from as young as I can rememeber, we've always had it on tape and I can still sit through it today. I'm not particularly a Kubrik fan per-say, but the imagery and pace of this one has always appealed, of course as a child I had no idea wtf is going on, so instead of getting boring with age, there had been more to explore.
2010 isnt bad at all either, more of a staright forward sci-fi, for some there is a chance this makes the prequel easier to get on with as stated above.
2010 isnt bad at all either, more of a staright forward sci-fi, for some there is a chance this makes the prequel easier to get on with as stated above.
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Anyone that either doesn't understand this or found it too slow is just that: too slow. The movie is great!!! I'll explain the movie to those that don't quite get it.
Starts off with early man. One of the tribes is dying. They have no food, and another tribe even fought them off from the only water hole. Life sucks for these guys. To make matters worse, they're getting eaten... no even the top of the food chain, yet.
Then, one day, this... thing, this monolith appears. Out of nowhere. Well, aliens gave early man this to teach them. You see, during parts of man's evolution, these aliens were there to guide us. At points of our evolution, they would give us a guiding hand, making us better than what we were. So, the monolith gave man the knowledge to use tools. Now man thrives, and is doing well. One very big thing that he showed was early man did well because of the monolith. And, then it left, but it had done its job. It gave us what we needed.... but it was man that used the tools for evil (killing the other tribe members). And it was shown for a fact that the monolith wasn't there, and it was all man's idea to do that.
Now, in the year 2000, the first thing you see is a nuclear satalite. Great transition from the bone to this, as it shows man's still fucking up with weapons. Anyhow, man's evolution is about to take another leap. On the moon, near Clavious, an object had been found. It was buried millions of years ago, waiting to be found by man. Man did find it, and it sent a transmission going to Jupiter. 18 months later, we go out there... to see what it is that the aliens want us to do. Well, no, not really.... just to see WHAT this thing is.
5 men and a super computer go on this mission. Three of them were asleep, while two others, Dave and Frank, have no idea what's going on. Hal 9000, leads the missiong. "No 9000 has ever made a mistake... " The computer is pretty much perfect, and that's where it goes wrong. So perfect that HAL feels that the humans will jeapordize the mission, and so it tries to kill them. It lied to them. It killed them off one at a time. Dave, the last survivor, pulls his functions. How will he get back to Earth? No idea. He just had to survive. Here's where people get confused. The HAL side story is so deep that people think the movies about the computer. WRONG.
So, Dave finds about the mission's real purpose after "killing" HAL. He goes to this monolith, where he's changed forever. He, after a long period of time, is reborn into the next level of human. It's the next step of our evolution.
Taking out the fact that 2010 claims that HAL was told to lie and it confused him sort of throws the story around a bit. Also, in 2010, man's still fucked. The Star Child, David Bowman, is only an informer, and not the next step to humans that you would have assumed at the end of 2001. I think that 2010 is just as good as 2001, if not even a bit better. I love the idea that Jupiter turns into a second sun (called Lucifer, in the later books which weren't quite as good as the first two).
Anyhow, that's about it. Great movie that makes you think. It's drawn out slow for a reason. One of the few films that's brave enough to make space real. Space is boring. There's no sound in space. For when it was made, it was incredible. They didn't know about the moon landing when this movie was being made. Clarke and Kubrick had to give best guesses as to how things were, and they were so dead on before we even knew the info for sure. Great movie. Clarke is a true visionary.
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Starts off with early man. One of the tribes is dying. They have no food, and another tribe even fought them off from the only water hole. Life sucks for these guys. To make matters worse, they're getting eaten... no even the top of the food chain, yet.
Then, one day, this... thing, this monolith appears. Out of nowhere. Well, aliens gave early man this to teach them. You see, during parts of man's evolution, these aliens were there to guide us. At points of our evolution, they would give us a guiding hand, making us better than what we were. So, the monolith gave man the knowledge to use tools. Now man thrives, and is doing well. One very big thing that he showed was early man did well because of the monolith. And, then it left, but it had done its job. It gave us what we needed.... but it was man that used the tools for evil (killing the other tribe members). And it was shown for a fact that the monolith wasn't there, and it was all man's idea to do that.
Now, in the year 2000, the first thing you see is a nuclear satalite. Great transition from the bone to this, as it shows man's still fucking up with weapons. Anyhow, man's evolution is about to take another leap. On the moon, near Clavious, an object had been found. It was buried millions of years ago, waiting to be found by man. Man did find it, and it sent a transmission going to Jupiter. 18 months later, we go out there... to see what it is that the aliens want us to do. Well, no, not really.... just to see WHAT this thing is.
5 men and a super computer go on this mission. Three of them were asleep, while two others, Dave and Frank, have no idea what's going on. Hal 9000, leads the missiong. "No 9000 has ever made a mistake... " The computer is pretty much perfect, and that's where it goes wrong. So perfect that HAL feels that the humans will jeapordize the mission, and so it tries to kill them. It lied to them. It killed them off one at a time. Dave, the last survivor, pulls his functions. How will he get back to Earth? No idea. He just had to survive. Here's where people get confused. The HAL side story is so deep that people think the movies about the computer. WRONG.
So, Dave finds about the mission's real purpose after "killing" HAL. He goes to this monolith, where he's changed forever. He, after a long period of time, is reborn into the next level of human. It's the next step of our evolution.
Taking out the fact that 2010 claims that HAL was told to lie and it confused him sort of throws the story around a bit. Also, in 2010, man's still fucked. The Star Child, David Bowman, is only an informer, and not the next step to humans that you would have assumed at the end of 2001. I think that 2010 is just as good as 2001, if not even a bit better. I love the idea that Jupiter turns into a second sun (called Lucifer, in the later books which weren't quite as good as the first two).
Anyhow, that's about it. Great movie that makes you think. It's drawn out slow for a reason. One of the few films that's brave enough to make space real. Space is boring. There's no sound in space. For when it was made, it was incredible. They didn't know about the moon landing when this movie was being made. Clarke and Kubrick had to give best guesses as to how things were, and they were so dead on before we even knew the info for sure. Great movie. Clarke is a true visionary.
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While I admire Kubrick, love SCIFI, and wish we could do space exploration, since I don't do drugs I can't really appreciate 2001 the way Kubrick envisioned.
2010 however is much more watchable, and is also good in its own right, without drugs.
2010 however is much more watchable, and is also good in its own right, without drugs.
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Space Oddyssey 2001 = Pure Kubrick
IMO, SO-2001 was one of his better films ( all his movies are great though). Eyes Wide Shut reminded me alot of SO-2001. Neither movie went into deep detail to explain everything to you. Left you to draw your own conclusions of what meant what on alot of things.
PS- Eyes Wide Shut was awesome, it's tragic that movie takes alot of heat for being bad.
IMO, SO-2001 was one of his better films ( all his movies are great though). Eyes Wide Shut reminded me alot of SO-2001. Neither movie went into deep detail to explain everything to you. Left you to draw your own conclusions of what meant what on alot of things.
PS- Eyes Wide Shut was awesome, it's tragic that movie takes alot of heat for being bad.