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Its awesome to see another company developing for the Neo-Geo, but I agree with the others in that the artwork needs some work. The screens for the shooter you displayed below look a bit subpar to Duke Nukem 2. Naturally we don't expect you to be churning out Metal Slug quality graphics off the bat, but I think it would be a good idea to redo those backgrounds and add some more detail and action.

STFU & buy...

OK - well thank you for the feedback - which is what this was designed to do - give out some info and get feedback from the fanbase.

Tommy K - thanks for the input on the graphics, and that is exactly what is currently being done. There is a professional sprite artist now working full-time setting the graphics and the levels. The 2 screen grabs basically show the look and feel of the game as it is and the art is being put onto that now. Will pass any comments on to the artist - the more input the better really as that what makes a good game. We aren't using a 70-100 strong team as SNK used to for KOFs and MSs - that's why they couldn't continue to do it from a financial point of view. This stuff is running on hardware and not on emu so it is trickier to get good screen grabs.

SBP - Got the inputs on the large marquee and it will be amended on monday. The photos don't accurately reflect the quality of the insert card and instruction sheet - they are of a very high quality and were done professionally. I agree that the full marquee looks bare as it stands.

Pricing - Yes $395 may seem high when you compare to some of the others that are currently out there - but they started off high when they were first released. MS5 was dumped on the market at $150 per unit at the end when SNK decided to get rid of inventory, but the original new price was over a grand when it first came out. The distributor has to have his markup otherwise it's not worth their while - and that is their current complaint on this one. We haven't planned to sell thousands of these units and the development costs are high. Licensing, tooling, then parts and the security aspect is the single most expensive part on the boards. We could cut the costs by quite a bit by removing those parts, but that would be somewhat foolish. My policy is that distributors have an MOQ order and that's what gets them the distributor price. I am long past selling single units to distributors at distributor price (for God's sake that's what being a distributor is all about - Officemax keep stock of product, so why shouldn't coin op distributors - we certainly do) If someone representing the collecting market, was to order in quantity (and you'll have to PM or E-mail me on that one) then there is no reason why you would not get the dist pricing. I don't control distributor markups at all - we post a price of $395 per unit to protect the distributor - this may be the way ahead for collectors though.

A casino style game is on the way - game number 7.

SBP is not a straight port also - the game has been modded to make it a fast action puzzle. There are only 2 levels in the coin op version and that is Groovin' and Hardcore. They are significanlty more difficult than the console versions and make it much harder to progress. It has a much faster gameplay than any of the previous Neo puzzle games. The audio quality has been kept and the soundtracks are professionally done. There is about 64Megs of ADPCM songs - it was originally 128Megs but we didn't find anyone who could keep playing for that long ;-)

Jeff F

PS - I don't mind feedback, in fact everyone here likes third party inputs as it only helps to make product better. If anyone wants to come by and see dev stuff then just drop me a line and we can sort something out for a weekend. I tried to do that a few months ago and nobody took us up on it.

Is there a working Vektorlogic website with details on these games and the Raptor system?

shir0 said:

The screen shots look like shit too.

Who would seriously pay 395 for something that looks like ass?

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shir0

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I have to agree the platformer looks fun but not over £300 worth of fun! I'm afraid I'll wait untill it drops to less than £100 before I buy!

About the screenshots...
Colors are badly used, shading looks amateurish.
Backgrounds are empty... And characters look stiff. (although I can't clearly tell about this considering I didn't see anything in action)

Good luck anyway.

awesome.

We can all appreciate what you are doing but I feel these games will only be sought by collectors who want to own them because of the limited print runs.
A puzzle game would have the best chance as they are usually simplistic yet Highly addictive.
You have got to get some better game art ASAP the flyer looks horrible IMO.
(I could make a better flyer in my sleep)
And judging from the screen shots you need about twice the level of detail in the graphics at least.


Good Luck.

I'd be happy to visit your dev. HQ if you would send me a plane ticket (round trip) and set me up at your house or somethin. lol

Theres quite a bit of talent among these boards that you may want to pool to help you with Art. (look in creative section). Im not referring to myself since I do not actually draw stuff or make anything from scratch. Im a layout type of dude.

Its cool to see that people are still workin on the good ol neo and workin to get stuff out to the people. We have to remember though that it is 2004 and if your gonna release a game it should match/exceed anything that has previously been released for the system. (graphics, gameplay, music, etc).

Good luck with your projects and hope to hear more from you guys in the future.

This sounds great - Neo Geo just keeps suprising me,
I can't believe the negative attitude some people here have. Be supportive! Or do you want everyone to give up? Sheesh!

My thoughts - it's a hefty price to pay, and I hope it's not a cynical plot to cash in on collectors (thinking that even if the games is not A+, people will buy it to own the full collection). I think it should be about the games, not limited print runs.
However if it breathes some life into a donkey that has been flogged to death and works, fair play to it!
If the game is worth hundreds of dollars, sure, charge that much. I hope it is!?!

Super bubble pop is on ebay UK:::
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3945&item=6102055325&rd=1

Fygee said:

Its awesome to see another company developing for the Neo-Geo, but I agree with the others in that the artwork needs some work. The screens for the shooter you displayed below look a bit subpar to Duke Nukem 2. Naturally we don't expect you to be churning out Metal Slug quality graphics off the bat, but I think it would be a good idea to redo those backgrounds and add some more detail and action.

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I thought you don't even own a neo?

Thanks for the comments. The price is at $395 for end user operator, these units have to be shipped to distributors and they have to make their mark on them etc etc plus warranties and so we can go on. There isn't a limited print run and this is not aimed at collectors. I think if you get to play the game you will realize that it is a coin op version and not just a GBA port to neo - sure the games are similar but the gameplay is subtly different, and it is very addictive - we want coins in the cashbox for the operator at the end of the day, because if they can't make money, there will be no games in arcades/stores etc etc.

As I said in the other thread, there is a discount for bona fide neo-geo.com members who wish to buy. AES will be 6 months after the main release and on a pre-order basis - target price for AES is $195 at this stage to cover manufacturing/tooling etc. If you price 32Meg EPROMs you'll see that you don't need too many to push the price up horrendously. Originally there were 4 x 32 Meg EPROMs for digital audio alone.

Basically we aren't here to target collectors, but as a collector, I'll assist where I can. The aim is to release these games, release Raptor and continue to develop products for the coin op market end user. Even at my age, I like to go into a bar and play pinball or a good video game and I don't want to see that end just yet.

Jeff F

PS - Play the game before telling me how crap it is - just see if it doesn't suck you back in - 50 stages to get through too!!

What are the conditions for a bona fide member, and how much is the discount?
The 50 levels sound pretty good. Are there going to be any updates to your website with more screens, info, etc.?

You'll have to mail me for the discounts -either PM or via my e-mail address - I'll just verify you are a member from the member list

The website is being updated and should have been finished by now - it's an external job - there's only so much that I can do...

Thanks for the reply, and I'll keep checking the site for details.

So, does anyone know when VektorLogic.com plans on updating their site?

Jeff:

Quick ?? for you, are these releases (MVS and AES) officially sanctioned and/or approved by SNKP?

I'm very interested in the AES releases, a sub $200 price tag is right on for lower meg games, something SNK never did with their lower meg puzzle games.

I assume the releases will be English (a lot easier to make).

vincewy said:

Jeff:

Quick ?? for you, are these releases (MVS and AES) officially sanctioned and/or approved by SNKP?

I'm very interested in the AES releases, a sub $200 price tag is right on for lower meg games, something SNK never did with their lower meg puzzle games.

I assume the releases will be English (a lot easier to make).

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Vektorlogic Ltd said:

SNK were offered the rights to our games, but declined.

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Shit, how did I miss this thread. You game looks badass man.
Where do I order??

Quick couple on answers...

Site Update - v soon - waiting for it from the web guys - an external job as I don't have the time to do it - surprise surprise!

Games will be in english - all of them

None of our games will be sanctioned by SNK - there's a bit of history, but needless to say the only offer from SNK back in the days that this started, was that we would produce the software and hardware design, then we would have to pay them to make it and then buy the units from SNK - needless to say I declined. It was at that point I was told it would be impossible to produce a game for the neo geo system and I would never be able to do it - bit of a gauntlet to me that one! Subsequently I offered SNK game(s) to purchase in full and nobody ever got back to me at all. I haven't really dealt with them since Miyajima left and went to Sammy.

You can order by e-mail or PM - if you need me to call you then put a phone number in the mail and a good time to call.

AES releases will be about $195 always - NSBP is about 108 Megs (I think you class them by ROM sizes don't you) It was originally 172 Megs but I cut a lot of the audio out to get the manufacturing costs down - there was orignally 128 Megs of Digital Audio - However Tommy K looks like the audio will be back up to the 128 Meg Audio Stage. The boards can handle infinite graphics and audio in the original design - we have just limited the physical limit per game in each board design.

AES releases will be 6 months after the MVS release so SBP will be out early December 2004 - I just need to sell 100 units to cover production costs and tooling for the plastics - a tool is about $25k alone - so hopefully nobody will compain too much about $195 per unit- I'm not exactly making enough to retire on at $195 ;-)

Hope that helps

Put me down for one

What I'd love to see you guys make is a Billiards Game.

Nothing fancy, just a Top Down 2 Dimensional Pool Table game, I'd love that.

shir0 said:

Who would seriously pay 395 for something that looks like ass?

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shir0

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You do know what site you're on, right?

Not all official SNK games looked that great either. People still buy them.

Get your head out of your ass.

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SamShoSensei

Tommy K Special Ops - Tommy K will be completed by the end of next month and is a platform shooter. There are 4 different levels: Construction Site; Aztec; Sewer; Train Ride ..and there are 4 stages in each of these levels. These are all playable in 1 player mode. There are additional stages for each level for 2 player mode. 1 Player mode has a puzzle element to it, in that you have to accomplish your mission within a set time, whilst not getting killed. 2 Player mode is more akin to the shootfest of Metal Slug.

Tommy has a variety of weapons and 'toys' at his disposal. Typically, pistol, automatic machine gun, rocket launcher, fire extinguisher, dynomite and a couple of others. In addition you also have to operate equipment such as conveyor belts, computer systems etc in order to accomplish your goal. There are hostages to release, but that will not necessarily be your mission, and may not be the best thing to do sometimes, if you are to complete the level.


Hello Vectorlogic,
its great to hear that there will come some new games out for the
Neo Geo , Super Bubble Pop looks realy great and Iàm very glad to hear that the Neo Geo is still alive ...

maybe you can bring out some sort of Castlevania game on the Neo Geo
that would be something eh

the graphichs of the Tommy K doesn`t look that bad at all ,but the
colors aren`t that great especialy Red with Blue thats asking for some trouble
and to much Gray in my opinion , if you change that and making some more use of green (leaves or trees ) the game will look much better

keep up the good work Guys


Dragonfly

making a fault is Human , so if you didn`t make any faults lately then you probably didn`t do anything

Thanks for the comments - there are actually some new screenshots from Tommy K with graphics mods on another thread on this board - Neo Game Updates I think - you can see the differences incorporated on that.

Jeff F

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