For those who think I am a price jacker....

Bar81

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Originally posted by Kenny Boy:
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I didn't feel it was necessary for the use of BOLD text since I mentioned it THREE times in the description.

I feel that it is your duty to READ thru the item's description ENTIRELY if your willing to drop down $$$.

I ALWAYS read over descriptions 2 or 3 times before I even THINK about placing a bid, especially if the item is hundreds of dollars.

You can call me anything you want; I'll disagree with you till the end.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The only thing you didn't feel, was an ability to be honest You're such a shady bastard. Please go cry to someone who's stupid enough to believe you. What you did was fraudulent whether you want to admit it or not.

Whether *you* always read over descriptions is irrelevant. Your listing should have been more clear. You intentionally chose not to highlight the fact that it was a conversion. You are a criminal. end of story.
 

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Originally posted by Parallax Abstraction:
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FTL - Anyone who is stupid enough to bid on any auction without reading the entire description is a complete idiot and deserves what they get. I have won items on eBay for as little as 1 cent and still didn't bid on them purely based on the header and a picture. If someone bid up an item for that reason, they have no one to blame but themselves. eBay very tightly restricts the length of your auction headers and if Kenny didn't have room for the word conversion, then he didn't have room, simple as that. If the bidder didn't read the description, then he's an idiot and I'd love to see what other things in life he's impulse bought.

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Did you know that the world is full of "stupid" person or better inattentive buyers?

I graduated in law and constructive fraud is perfect fitting the situation.

You get a buyer to believe he is bidding on the REAL Metal slug 2,by:
SAME HEADER of an original slug 2 cart

SAME PICTURE-EVEN with manual!

You WILL find a buyer who will SKIP the description just confident due to the :
HEADER
PICTURE
SELLER'S FEEDBACK

Try to think about it.
 

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Originally posted by Bar81:
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It's so sad that you are so mentally challenged.

What Kenny did was fraudulent. It's called constructive fraud. Ask an attorney. And next time someone screws you over like Kenny did to the buyer here I'd like to see what your opinion is then dipshit.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Hmmm...I don't think calling names is necessary in this circumstance. As I can read english perfectly well and the fact that I can clearly see that the auction states it doesn't even work correctly.

Why the hostility?
 

Kpj

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Gerry,

I would first like to say thank you. I know that getting involved with this makes you a flame target. It took alot for you to jump into my thread, and I am grateful that you did; but it is pointless. These people will disagree with me just to cause drama; which is why FTL & Bar81 are here. I cand do NO RIGHT with these scumbags. They are simply here for the drama.

To everyone else:

Did you ever think that maybe....JUST MAYBE.....the bidder KNEW what he was getting into?
 

Bar81

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Originally posted by Kenny Boy:
<strong>Gerry,

Did you ever think that maybe....JUST MAYBE.....the bidder KNEW what he was getting into?</strong><hr></blockquote>

LOL. Now that's rich Kenny. You're really reaching now...
 

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Originally posted by broken:
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Judging by the fact that the bidders must have not read the description of the auction, what makes you think having CONVERTED or CONV in the title would have helped? I think a more important fact is that it doesn't even work correctly. Don't you think that fact is even more important than the fact it is a conversion?

Or does that tidbit not matter, since it has no bearing on the price guide pricing?

Again, this was a fluke.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Sorry NO.
The fact the cart is not working correctly can be easily fixed generally.
Jeff Jurtz repaired a Metals lug 1 US original cart and then it was perfect.

The fact it is a conversion is the main point.
A collection is worthless compared to the original cart.
A malfunctioning original cart can be fixed and your still getting ORIGINAL PARTS.
Just think about people buying original slug inserts for BIG money.
 

Bar81

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Originally posted by broken:
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Hmmm...I don't think calling names is necessary in this circumstance. As I can read english perfectly well and the fact that I can clearly see that the auction states it doesn't even work correctly.

Why the hostility?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry, but it's just plain sad to see how retarded you are. I'm sorry.
 

Bar81

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Originally posted by Kenny Boy:
<strong>which is why FTL & Bar81 are here. I cand do NO RIGHT with these scumbags. They are simply here for the drama.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hmmm, I guess you're here for the thievery then, bitch.
 

Kpj

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Originally posted by Bar81:
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The only thing you didn't feel, was an ability to be honest You're such a shady bastard. Please go cry to someone who's stupid enough to believe you. What you did was fraudulent whether you want to admit it or not.

Whether *you* always read over descriptions is irrelevant. Your listing should have been more clear. You intentionally chose not to highlight the fact that it was a conversion. You are a criminal. end of story.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You are simply unbelievable. You must be one of the dumbest members on this board.

The description is MEANT to be READ. The title/header is a BRIEF description of the item being sold. The actual description is used to elaborate on the item for sale; it's condition, uses, shipping charges, payments accepted, etc....

I was 100% honest in this sale. There was NOTHING left to the imagination. I was clear and to the point.

Reading the description IS relevant to the item's sale. If your naive enough NOT to read it in it's entirety, than it's no ones fault but your own.

I cannot, and WILL NOT, be held responsible for this auction being "unclear".

It was clear as day, and your dumb as shit :)
 

FTL

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Originally posted by FTL:
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You get a buyer to believe he is bidding on the REAL Metal slug 2,by:
SAME HEADER of an original slug 2 cart

SAME PICTURE-EVEN with manual!

You WILL find a buyer who will SKIP the description just confident due to the :
HEADER
PICTURE
SELLER'S FEEDBACK

Try to think about it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Here is right in your face the reason you sold the cart that high.

No room for CONVERTED in the header?Try replacing few words.

SNK is not maybe even due in that auction.
The cart could be wothout even one SNK authentic ROM!
 

Kpj

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FTL,

The picture in the auction was/is the EXACT same game that was sold. It was a great-looking conversion. The artwork was done by Gary (AssFlounder); not sure who did the actual conversion though.

You can ask Cole yourself. He has seen it with his own eyes.
 

Bar81

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Originally posted by Kenny Boy:
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You are simply unbelievable. You must be one of the dumbest members on this board.

The description is MEANT to be READ. The title/header is a BRIEF description of the item being sold. The actual description is used to elaborate on the item for sale; it's condition, uses, shipping charges, payments accepted, etc....

I was 100% honest in this sale. There was NOTHING left to the imagination. I was clear and to the point.

Reading the description IS relevant to the item's sale. If your naive enough NOT to read it in it's entirety, than it's no ones fault but your own.

I cannot, and WILL NOT, be held responsible for this auction being "unclear".

It was clear as day, and your dumb as shit :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

You're absolutely beautiful Kenny. A thief blaming the victim. You're a criminal, simple as that.
 
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Guys - people have a right to sell their games for whatever they can get for them. I looked at that auction, and I didn't think it was deceptive - anybody that placed a bid on that without reading the entire description is an idiot, and deserves what the got.

If people want to ATTEMPT to sell their games for crazy sums, let them. They won't sell unless they find somebody crazy enough to buy them.

Charge what the market will bear :) .
 

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Originally posted by Bar81:
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Sorry, but it's just plain sad to see how retarded you are. I'm sorry.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I thought we were all grown up and mature adults in this conversation?

Don't aim your dislike for Kenny at me. If you have a problem with him, thats fine. But there really is no need in the hostility towards me. I am just casting my thoughts on the situation. I know if I was the bidder, I would have saw the fact it was a conversion and not working at that and never would have bid. Or perhaps bidded low.
 

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There's absolutely no hostility. You're right that I have no problem with you. The problem I have is how naive you are. You're standing up for a common thief who's blaming the victim. Kenny has committed what is known as constructive fraud. Like I said previously, if you're ever a victim of crap like this I'd like to see what tune you sing.
 

Kpj

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Originally posted by broken:
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I thought we were all grown up and mature adults in this conversation?

Don't aim your dislike for Kenny at me. If you have a problem with him, thats fine. But there really is no need in the hostility towards me. I am just casting my thoughts on the situation. I know if I was the bidder, I would have saw the fact it was a conversion and not working at that and never would have bid. Or perhaps bidded low.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Broken,

Simply put, Bar81 hates me. He will not EVER see it your way or mine; your wasting your breathe.

He is a dumbshit. He is too lazy to read thru descriptions. His mom probably still wipes his ass after shits, feeds him with rubber-protected utensils, and rocks him to bed at night since he is in fear of the harsh realities of life.

Basically, he is taking oxygen away from all that deserve it.

Kpj
 

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You're all just nitpicking the auction because he sold a conversion for $400+ and you didn't.

It's a very stupid move not to read the description, it's like buying a home without going inside it to check it out "Well, it looked pretty on the outside."

I don't like conversions (AKA bootlegs) and I don't think that selling them is moral, but that auction was in no way misleading.

All the posts in this thread sound so rediculous and childish "oh you didn't put it in BOLD! you shady asshole!" Even if it was in bold you'd find something else wrong with it.

But hey, what do I know, I aint into the AES thing.
 

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Heres my thought ,

I bought from Kenny Boy in the passed and he is very honest and helpfull .

If you don't like his prices then fine , don't buy from him .

He ain't shady like Kyrobutt Star , and I would buy from him again anytime .

So there !! you bashers , <img src="graemlins/angry.gif" border="0" alt="[Angry]" />
 

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Again Kenny, your retorts are beyond compare in both their thoughtfulness and underlying intellect. Straight to the mom. Wow, that was original.

The thing is Kenny, I don't hate you b/c I don't care enough. However, I don't like you. And not because your IQ hasn't reached double digits or the fact that your argumentative skills come in a close second to that of a demented chimp, but rather because you have no intergrity and are a common thief, nothing more. If that causes you uncomfort, I'm glad. Frankly, every time you open your mouth trying to show how you're a good citizen, you end up looking worse.

Finally, the point of my responses is to show you for what you are, a low life criminal. I've shown that. Some people don't want to see. That's fine, I just hope they don't buy anything from you, for their sake.
 

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Originally posted by TacoFace:
<strong>Heres my thought ,

I bought from Kenny Boy in the passed and he is very honest and helpfull .

If you don't like his prices then fine , don't buy from him .

He ain't shady like Kyrobutt Star , and I would buy from him again anytime .

So there !! you bashers , <img src="graemlins/angry.gif" border="0" alt="[Angry]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


Jorge?
 

Parallax Abstraction

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Originally posted by FTL:
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Did you know that the world is full of "stupid" person or better inattentive buyers?
</strong><hr></blockquote>

And this would be Kenny's problem how may I ask? It is not his responsibility to account for all the idiots who use eBay. Anyone who is outright stupid enough to bid that kind of money on an auction without reading anything but the header gets no sympathy from me. If I go out and lease a car and don't read anything but the title of the lease agreement, but I still sign it, guess what? I'm still liable for it and I can't sue the car manufacturer for it! eBay's Terms and Conditions Agreement basically says that by placing a bid, you are agreeing to all of the seller's terms of the auction. If you choose not to read them, then that's your own fault and solely your responsibility. Let me give you another example here. Now, this involves Canadian law admittedly, but out tort laws are very similar to those in the United States and most other countries:

I used to work for Rogers Hi-Speed Internet here in Canada as an On-Site Installer. Rogers had a two page End User Agreement which detailed all of the conditions of service (i.e. the modem belongs to Rogers, you can't run servers, you can't commit fraud using the service, you can't download child pornography etc.) Every client had to sign this agreement before I was allowed to proceed with their installation. I would estimate that around 95% of them didn't read the agreement, but just signed it.

About a year ago, a user was caught violating the agreement and had his account terminated. He sued Rogers saying that he was not properly informed of his terms of service and thus, was not liable for violating the agreement. Guess what? The court ruled that because he signed the agreement, he was agreeing to all the terms and conditions listed on it. The judge said that not reading something doesn't excuse you from it. You signed for it, you agreed to it.

Under eBay's Terms and Conditions Agreement, bidding on an item means you agree to all the terms set out by the seller and by eBay. If you choose not to read them, then too bad. Simply put, the seller was ignorant and bid on an item without finding out about it. This is not Kenny's fault and just because the guy was stupid enough to overbid on the value, Kenny still ahs every right to expect payment. I don't care what degrees you claim to have, this is not his fault plain and simple and this is no more than a petty reason by you and several others to bash someone who you disagree with. Grow up.
 

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Originally posted by Bar81:
<strong>There's absolutely no hostility. You're right that I have no problem with you. The problem I have is how naive you are. You're standing up for a common thief who's blaming the victim. Kenny has committed what is known as constructive fraud. Like I said previously, if you're ever a victim of crap like this I'd like to see what tune you sing.</strong><hr></blockquote>


C'mon. Lets pretend that it wasn't Kenny selling this.

Lets say the seller was "L33TNEOSELLZ" or something. Would you honestly think there was some king of confusion as to if it was original or a conversion? Since it does state it multiple times in the description. All a potentional buyer has to do it read.

I will freely admit it would be nice if the title said it was a conversion. But then again no one searches on ebay for "conversion". So it is in the sellers best interest to list things in the title that are commonly looked for, then list all the details in the description, since he has a limited amount of room in the title.

I see you reasoning on your stance, but I really think it is based more around the fact you don't like Kenny and his pricing.
 

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Originally posted by Bar81:
<strong>Again Kenny, your retorts are beyond compare in both their thoughtfulness and underlying intellect. Straight to the mom. Wow, that was original.

The thing is Kenny, I don't hate you b/c I don't care enough. However, I don't like you. And not because your IQ hasn't reached double digits or the fact that your argumentative skills come in a close second to that of a demented chimp, but rather because you have no intergrity and are a common thief, nothing more. If that causes you uncomfort, I'm glad. Frankly, every time you open your mouth trying to show how you're a good citizen, you end up looking worse.

Finally, the point of my responses is to show you for what you are, a low life criminal. I've shown that. Some people don't want to see. That's fine, I just hope they don't buy anything from you, for their sake.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You know Bar, I would love to see you have the balls to say anything you are writing here to a person, without your computer screen to hide behind. Rather than try to argue the point here one way or the other, like most others are doing, you are just content to insult and bash Kenny like a little fucking baby. Does it make you feel more powerful or something to sit here and bash something that isn't your concern or responsibility? I think it does. It's people like you who have taken a lot of the fun and spirit out of these forums. You come on here, looking for people to flame and insult because I very much doubt you have the guts to stand up for yourself in real life. You don't care one iota about Kenny's auction or about the buyer involved. You just care about jumping on the bandwagon of so many other whining little bitches on these boards who have made a hobby out of degrading others. You and those like you are absolutely pathetic excuses for a human beings. Go back to living off welfare and leave these forums for those of us who think with out brains.
 

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Originally posted by SNKFreak:
<strong>It's a very stupid move not to read the description, it's like buying a home without going inside it to check it out "Well, it looked pretty on the outside."</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's nice to see that there is still some intelligent life on this planet.
 

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We all had a good laugh when someone posted a link to an auction for game codes to GTA Vice City. That auction had nothing in the subject heading that indicated it was just for codes and not the game. The description however, did say the auction was for codes only.

Everyone who responded to the thread said that the buyer was clearly a moron and that auctions like that were a great racket. Plenty of folks even wished they had thought up a scam like that.

I've sold a lot of old apple II software for some fairly decent prices on ebay. Software that I stated in the description might not even work. I'm starting to regret it though, because I didn't realize I was scamming people by not giving the auction a title like
"Buyers Beware!!! IF YOU A MORON WHO CAN'T READ A DESCRIPTION THIS IS BROKEN APPLE II SOFTWARE DON'T BUY OR ELSE I WILL SCAM YOU AND EAT YOUR CHILDREN!!!!!"
 
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