For those who think I am a price jacker....
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As usual, Kenny brings his powder keg to the forums. Seemed like a decent auction - this is not like the Kyokugen Star affair from a year ago. It's written clear as day on the first line - conversion. Sure, a buyer may not be aware, but such a buyer shouldn't be putting out that much money to buy a game anyways. When you pay almost $500 for a game, as JHendrix said, you really ought to review the description and know what your getting into.
If I want to sell my car tomorrow, I'll mention that it has a dent on the back of the trunk, but I won't over emphasize it. Same for the conversion. Stated, but not overstated nor understated.
If I want to sell my car tomorrow, I'll mention that it has a dent on the back of the trunk, but I won't over emphasize it. Same for the conversion. Stated, but not overstated nor understated.
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Wow, what an intelligent retort. I've definitely changed my mind on you now </sarcasm> - you've definitely got no integrity or maturity. My favorite part of your reply isn't your amazing humor but your complete inability to reply to anything I pointed out like why you did not bold, highlight, or otherwise call the buyer's attention to the fact that it is a conversion. I don't expect an answer because it's painfully obvious that you're scum. You've got to learn to live with yourself first Kenny. Admit to yourself that you have no integrity. Then maybe you can become a decent human being.
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Just out of interest Kenny, and I really am not trying to take a side here, but do you believe that the guy that bought this cart from you knows its a convert?
I believe in caveat emptor so while I think your heading wasn't as helpful as it could have been I don't believe you are to blame for some idiot buying this for that price.
My concern is that the buyer sells this next year as an original in all innocence and then someone really gets burnt, do you think this might happen?
Again, you are not to blame for someone not reading the description, I remember the rough ride Gozimas got for complaining about the sound on a Garou MVS not working when it said it didn't work in the (German) auction description (the boot angle on that is a different point). I do think though you have a duty to any future buyer to make it clear to your buyer that this is not an original cart. Is it written in the manual or anything?
I believe in caveat emptor so while I think your heading wasn't as helpful as it could have been I don't believe you are to blame for some idiot buying this for that price.
My concern is that the buyer sells this next year as an original in all innocence and then someone really gets burnt, do you think this might happen?
Again, you are not to blame for someone not reading the description, I remember the rough ride Gozimas got for complaining about the sound on a Garou MVS not working when it said it didn't work in the (German) auction description (the boot angle on that is a different point). I do think though you have a duty to any future buyer to make it clear to your buyer that this is not an original cart. Is it written in the manual or anything?
I think that while the buyer shouldn't have thought it's a real cart, obviously he wasn't the only one to believe the cart was worth more than $400. There was at least 1 other bid to raise the cart to that level. At least. I really won't say what Kenny's intention was, because I'm not a mind reader, but the result isn't pretty - that I can admit. From Kenny's position though, he's in the clear, and made a good lump of cash. Or lost some. Depends on if the high bidder was a funster. Think about that. Instead of getting almost $500, Kenny pays almost $25 and has to try to sell the cart again. That's not cool either.
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Let's play this scenario,so it will explain all BETTER:
If I'm not mistaken BAR81 sold a beautiful BIG TOURNAMENT GOLF authentic home cart.
Let's say he has another one,CONVERTED,looking like the real deal,with manual and insert.
1)IF he put it on ebay Kenny style,it will go well high,like $400-500,guaranteed.
"BIG TOURNAMENT GOLF SNK HOME CART NEO GEO" and well BLENDED in the text the fact it is a conversion.
2)If he put it on Ebay with a more fair style,it would go lot lower.
I.E. stating with proper font it is a conversion and marking it well in the text and PUTTING it into the heading.
Who comes out ahead at the end of the story?
It depends on what value you follow:
MONEY or FAIRNESS.
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If I'm not mistaken BAR81 sold a beautiful BIG TOURNAMENT GOLF authentic home cart.
Let's say he has another one,CONVERTED,looking like the real deal,with manual and insert.
1)IF he put it on ebay Kenny style,it will go well high,like $400-500,guaranteed.
"BIG TOURNAMENT GOLF SNK HOME CART NEO GEO" and well BLENDED in the text the fact it is a conversion.
2)If he put it on Ebay with a more fair style,it would go lot lower.
I.E. stating with proper font it is a conversion and marking it well in the text and PUTTING it into the heading.
Who comes out ahead at the end of the story?
It depends on what value you follow:
MONEY or FAIRNESS.
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You're right. It should have been mentioned in the header. Only thing I can think of on the other side of the fence is that the header portion only allows a certain amount of characters, such that it may be hard to state "Metal Slug 2 US AES Home Cart Neo Geo NeoGeo Conversion"
Seriously - that would be the ideal title.
Seriously - that would be the ideal title.
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Again, why didn't you bold, highlight, increase the font, or otherwise call the buyer's attention to the fact that it is a conversion especially given that you know it looks identical to the official release?
Answer that question (if you can)
Answer that question (if you can)
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Originally posted by Argentina94:
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You took the entire IQ remark out of context and simply defended your affection of a game which most hate My response to him about brown-nosing was tongue-in-cheek because of comments about Jorge and I realized that</strong><hr></blockquote>
to be honest Sal you have brought a little ray of light in as i didnt see this until now
yes i was offended by the iq remark and to be honest i didnt actually know your comment was tongue and cheek
maybe it was because the hackles were up or i was tired - but i didnt click - sorry
but i wasnt taking anybodys side, just the iq remark annoyed me , infact my intention was to defend Tarma for not liking the game as its his choice
by the end of the day i'm not offended by the comments but what was worrying me was a member talking to Tarma privately telling him i was spreading malicious crap about him - which is totally untrue
thats what i was reading into too - again i could be wrong
yes - i dont mind Jorge, infact i find his neo enthusiasm encouraging, but i also scolded xtoo for ruining a perfectly good selling thread
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Originally posted by Bar81:
<strong>Again, why didn't you bold, highlight, increase the font, or otherwise call the buyer's attention to the fact that it is a conversion especially given that you know it looks identical to the official release?
Answer that question (if you can)</strong><hr></blockquote>
Then when he answers that question, why don't you explain why the buyer didn't read the auction and at the least ask questions?
This is a clear case of being a fluke. It was all laid out in the auction that this was a conversion (mentioned at least twice) and had a small paragraph dedicated to saying it was malfunctioning.
This thread is so full of shit.
Friends turning on Friends.
Collectors turning on Sellers.
Have none of you ever bought a car, a home, filled out for a credit card or a loan? Did you read all the details of said agreement? Did the header to the paperwork mention the fact that if you were late on one payment, then that wonderful 12 months same as cash you had going is now nullified and you get hammer by the back interest? I bet it didn't.
Point is that there is only so much space that you can use for a title on en eBay title. All the details of the auction are listed in the desription along with perhaps payment and shipping options.
If a bidder doesn't read the auction or ask questions no way can the blame lie on the seller. All the details were laid out in front. There was no blending of text. All someone had to do was read it.
Can't we all get along?
My remedy is 30 days of MVS.
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Originally posted by broken:
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Can't we all get along?
My remedy is 30 days of MVS.
God, I love how you think
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OK, I have skimmed this thread front to back and read the majority of what is for the most part, the typical childish ranting and name calling that is synonimos with how these forums have become. All I have to say on the matter is that I have dealt with Kenny Boy on multiple occasions in the past. He's an excellent, reputable and above all else FAIR seller who in fact has provided me with good deals that are by no means even close to a rip off like many of you are accusing him of.
Tarma - Quit your fucking whining you baby. I've never seen someone act so much like a little kid just to get himself noticed.
FTL - Anyone who is stupid enough to bid on any auction without reading the entire description is a complete idiot and deserves what they get. I have won items on eBay for as little as 1 cent and still didn't bid on them purely based on the header and a picture. If someone bid up an item for that reason, they have no one to blame but themselves. eBay very tightly restricts the length of your auction headers and if Kenny didn't have room for the word conversion, then he didn't have room, simple as that. If the bidder didn't read the description, then he's an idiot and I'd love to see what other things in life he's impulse bought.
Kenny Boy is not a scammer!
Maybe you guys should go back to your never-ending bashing of NGF and leave the legitimate sellers alone. But it seems that all people do around here anyone is look for reasons to bitch and people to bash just to make themselves feel big. I have no doubt that I'm going to recieve flames-a-plenty for not agreeing with everyone's childish rants. I say go ahead! You'll just be proving my point. I'm with you Kenny!
Tarma - Quit your fucking whining you baby. I've never seen someone act so much like a little kid just to get himself noticed.
FTL - Anyone who is stupid enough to bid on any auction without reading the entire description is a complete idiot and deserves what they get. I have won items on eBay for as little as 1 cent and still didn't bid on them purely based on the header and a picture. If someone bid up an item for that reason, they have no one to blame but themselves. eBay very tightly restricts the length of your auction headers and if Kenny didn't have room for the word conversion, then he didn't have room, simple as that. If the bidder didn't read the description, then he's an idiot and I'd love to see what other things in life he's impulse bought.
Kenny Boy is not a scammer!
Maybe you guys should go back to your never-ending bashing of NGF and leave the legitimate sellers alone. But it seems that all people do around here anyone is look for reasons to bitch and people to bash just to make themselves feel big. I have no doubt that I'm going to recieve flames-a-plenty for not agreeing with everyone's childish rants. I say go ahead! You'll just be proving my point. I'm with you Kenny!
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Originally posted by broken:
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Then when he answers that question, why don't you explain why the buyer didn't read the auction and at the least ask questions?
This is a clear case of being a fluke. It was all laid out in the auction that this was a conversion (mentioned at least twice) and had a small paragraph dedicated to saying it was malfunctioning.
This thread is so full of shit.
Friends turning on Friends.
Collectors turning on Sellers.
Have none of you ever bought a car, a home, filled out for a credit card or a loan? Did you read all the details of said agreement? Did the header to the paperwork mention the fact that if you were late on one payment, then that wonderful 12 months same as cash you had going is now nullified and you get hammer by the back interest? I bet it didn't.
Point is that there is only so much space that you can use for a title on en eBay title. All the details of the auction are listed in the desription along with perhaps payment and shipping options.
If a bidder doesn't read the auction or ask questions no way can the blame lie on the seller. All the details were laid out in front. There was no blending of text. All someone had to do was read it.
Can't we all get along?
My remedy is 30 days of MVS.
It's so sad that you are so mentally challenged.
What Kenny did was fraudulent. It's called constructive fraud. Ask an attorney. And next time someone screws you over like Kenny did to the buyer here I'd like to see what your opinion is then dipshit.
Kpj
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Originally posted by broken:
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Then when he answers that question, why don't you explain why the buyer didn't read the auction and at the least ask questions?
This is a clear case of being a fluke. It was all laid out in the auction that this was a conversion (mentioned at least twice) and had a small paragraph dedicated to saying it was malfunctioning.
This thread is so full of shit.
Friends turning on Friends.
Collectors turning on Sellers.
Have none of you ever bought a car, a home, filled out for a credit card or a loan? Did you read all the details of said agreement? Did the header to the paperwork mention the fact that if you were late on one payment, then that wonderful 12 months same as cash you had going is now nullified and you get hammer by the back interest? I bet it didn't.
Point is that there is only so much space that you can use for a title on en eBay title. All the details of the auction are listed in the desription along with perhaps payment and shipping options.
If a bidder doesn't read the auction or ask questions no way can the blame lie on the seller. All the details were laid out in front. There was no blending of text. All someone had to do was read it.
Can't we all get along?
My remedy is 30 days of MVS.
Afuckingmen