Hidden Warrior and Rain! Nice to talk to you again
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I'll take your comments one person at a time.
Hidden Warrior:
>>you make very good points.About paragraph four;I think in that scenario ryu would realize that alex is too green and would not stand a chance against gill.Alex would contest that and a fight would ensue.Ryu would have to put down the young warrior to save his life.Ryu would be saving alex'a life by stopping him from fighting gill.<<
Ryu isn't the type of person that's going to look at Alex as someone in need of saving. Now SEAN, on the other hand, Ryu would make the effort to save. Alex is a big boy and made his choice. Ryu would respect that, I think.
>>About paragraph eight:Kyo's team defeated terry's team in the kof 94 finals.Kyo proved his superiority in the snk universe that day.The torch was passed to kyo,the strongest wolf.About paragraph six:tp sum it up"if kyo was in terry's comic book terry would win but if terry was in kyo comic book kyo would win".Did I interpret it correctly?<<
I'm not going to argue this point any further. I've exhausted myself on it in the 'main character swap' thread in the CVS forum, and my prior post in THIS thread all the more solidifies my viewpoint in my mind. Please, respectfully, read it and agree or disagree, but I'm done debating it.
As far as the specifics of paragraph 6 go, it's application to KOF would be that teams Mexico and Italy were 'moved out of' team Japan's way via the necessary plot twists, thus clearing Kyo to face Rugal in '94 and kick off the Orochi storyline.
Rain:
>>Ah, but the main reason I say Ken would beat Alex is in Alexs third strike ending, where Ryu beats Alex. Ken beat Ryu in Alpha's 1 and 2, but.... Ryu was never in a right state of mind in those games when they fought so I would say Ryu and Ken are evenly balenced. Now, if Ryu could beat Alex in his ending, surely Ken could beat him too, if the two are considered equal? Just my thoughts.....<<
I never said that Ken COULDN'T beat Alex. That's not anywhere in my comments (I don't think...).
The sole purpose of my points was to defend the continuity of the SF universe WITHOUT falling into the conventional traps of character priority rationalizing. It is these 'traps' that have people saying things like 'Alex is stronger than this guy or that guy' simply on the basis of being the main character of the game.
Which is not necessarily the best way to look at these things.
Allow me to quote myself, if you will:
>>Alex is the main character of SFIII (all incarnations). He is NOT the main character of the SF universe.<<
If that statement doesn't identify Alex's place in the SF world, nothing will. SFIII is Alex's story. Therefore, plot twists will put Alex in the final battle with Gill without sacrificing Ryu's spot as the strongest SF universe hero. Let me give one example of how this could happen, and yes I'm talking SFIII: 3rd Strike:
Characters fight. A lot of violence ensues. People get hurt. Alex eventually meets Ryu and loses to him. Ryu gives him a few polite pointers and the two go their separate ways. Later, through the progression of the story, Alex encounters Gill and armed with Ryu's advice proceeds to defeat the speedo clad freak in what I'm sure is an intense and dramatic battle.
I'm not saying that's how it happened. What I'm saying is that when the writers are thinking up the stories, they think of them in terms like these that secure the continuity while still allowing the newer characters to shine in a spotlight all their own. Ryu is a supporting character in the story that is told in SFIII. A powerful one, but a supporting one nonetheless.
Fans have a tendency to think like this:
Ryu's the strongest character, so he obviously defeats Alex and earns the right to fight Gill, shutting Alex off forever from his chance at revenge.
That's poor logic because it doesn't take into account the fact that the story MIGHT have a slightly more complex scope than that. The scenario I laid out above is more in line with how the writers of fighting game continuities think.
Now, as far as Ken beating Alex goes...I buy that.
I wouldn't contest it.
I think that Ken and Ryu are presented as equals much in the same way that Robert and Ryo are presented as equals in AOF. That being the case, logically you'd assume that if fighting at their best or when the chips are down they'll find a way to win. Under those terms, Alex would probably lose to Ken if both men were on their 'A' games that day.
This is where it's easy to get lost in that conventional thought.
Since Ken can beat Alex he can beat Gill.
I wonder what Capcom's writers would say about that
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