What would you like in a Capcom vs. SNK 3?

Jackal · Feb 3, 2002

Here are some things I'd put in CvS3:

Groove Changes:

P-groove: Make it more like SFIII 3rd Strike. Add the EX-Specials as well as the ability to save multiple supers. Some supers should require 2 levels to use.

K-groove: Make it more like Garou in general.

New Grooves:

Cap'94 (SSFII Turbo): Like using the "old version" character codes from SSFII Turbo. No super moves, but normals and specials do slightly more damage.

SNK'94 (AOF2): Every special move would require a bit of your spirit meter. Super moves would do GRAVE damage (50% or more) but would be harder to attain, just like an AOF title. Your spirit meter would be vulnerable to taunt-downs.

New Characters:

Capcom:
*SFIII 3rd: Dudley, Alex, Q, Remy, Makoto, Twelve
*Final Fight 2: Carlos, Philippe (the clown)
*SFZ3: Karin
*Final Fight: Cody, Haggar, Guy
*SFIII: Gill (none of that Resurrection jazz here however)
NOTE: Morrigan should be redrawn.

SNK:
*RBFF2: Bob Wilson, Hon-fu
*KOF2001 New Faces: K9999, Mei-Li, Angel, Foxy
*Garou: Freeman
*KOF2001: Ralf & Clark (bring over the "Cross Changer!" intro), Robert Garcia, Andy Bogard
*KOF'96: Krauser, Mr. Big

Boss Teams (you'd need a certain amount of groove points and no continues)
*Capcom: Psycho-powered M. Bison, Shin Akuma, and Gill (all Ratio 4's)
*SNK: Geese, Krauser, Mr. Big (all Ratio 4's)
(To compensate for all three bosses being Rt. 4's- you'd get your current character's life bar refilled completely after beating one of the bosses.)

New Stages:

1) Berlin- This one would be a German techno club where the fighters are on a rotating stage.

2) New Orleans- Bourbon Street during a Mardi Gras with plenty of crowd noise.

3) Miami- The fighters battle on a blocked-out section of freeway. On the other side of the freeway, there's rush hour traffic. Past there, you can see some palm trees. Way off in the distance is a cityscape.

4) London- A revamp of the original CvS2 stage, except it's winter and there's some snow falling.

5) Shinjuku

6) Beijing

7) Ocho Rios, Jamaica- An outdoors scene with DeeJay's band performing live.

8) Southtown Ruins- Southtown after getting nailed with the Zero Cannon.

9) Metro City- A downtown look, like that of the first scene from Final Fight 1's last stage.

10) New York- Revamped version of the NY stage from CvS2.

11) Mittelgebirge- Strolheim Castle. (SNK Boss team's stage)

12) Thailand- Inside the Shadowloo Fortress (Capcom Boss team's stage)

ray_7 · Feb 3, 2002

New characters, and a better gameplay like KOF..

YeldellGW · Feb 4, 2002

1. NO MORE DAMN RATIOS! This was the 1st problem that should've gotten corrected.
2. No multiple versions of any; and I mean any character.
3. For that SF III groove, I'd make based on New Generation (No ES moves.)
4. A Vampire groove based on Vampire Savior which:

-Enables character specific dashes
-ES moves
-Guard Reversals
-Pursuits
-Life bar slowly recovers some lost life when left alone
-Supers (Or EX moves as they're called in the series) moves don't freeze the game
-Chain combos

5. More characters from Rival Schools, Final Fight, SF III, SF Zero

[ February 07, 2002: Message edited by: YeldellGW ]

Darku · Feb 5, 2002

more characters and modes
better animation
hi-res
more balanced characters
tag team matches
old street fighter bonus stages
no medium attacks

The King Of Fighters · Feb 5, 2002

they need:
to get rid off maki cuz she sux ass
Rival Schools-Batsu
Final Fight- Haggar
KOF 96- Mr. Big

Tora Kouhi · Feb 5, 2002

More people from the 80's games

Late · Feb 6, 2002

Originally posted by The King Of Fighters:
they need:
to get rid off maki cuz she sux ass
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YES!!!

Devil_Gans · Feb 6, 2002

I have to disagree.Maki can be VERY POWERFUL if used effectively!!!

squints84 · Feb 7, 2002

Plain and simple....more SS characters....where's Hanzo, Galford, Genjuro, and the Kazamas?

Robert · Feb 7, 2002

More fight fever characters.

the_move · Feb 7, 2002

What I desire most in CvsS3?

The most important is instead of toning down the SNK staff they should tone up the sloppy Capcom staff. Ryu´s specials and supers maybe were good in Alpha, but nowadays and compared to SNK-Fighters they are a mere joke.

Better yet, let SNK make it!

Jackal · Feb 8, 2002

I think SNK staff should be more involved in the project- perhaps 50/50 rather than totally, since this is Capcom vs. SNK after all.

On the soundtrack- Capcom's sound team should do some of the music (Berlin, London, New York, Ocho Rios, Thailand, Metro City), while SNK's sound team should do other stages' tracks (New Orleans, Shinjuku, Beijing, Miami, Southtown Ruins, Mittelgebirge).

Bonus stages would be nice to bring back- I'd like to see one based on AOF2's street brawl, and a falling barrel round (maybe for a twist, an occasional barrel could be red- signifying that it would require a special move to take out).

Oh, one more thing- perhaps another taunt or two for Dan inspired by some of SNK's newer characters.

edit- added the bit about Dan there.

[ February 08, 2002: Message edited by: Jackal ]

The Colonel · Feb 9, 2002

Capcom had 2 chances to make this game, so why not just scrap the whole thing altogether. I do not wish even snk to make a neogeo version of this project.
But if they are going to make it agaaain, then just reuse the sprites off the original games they come from. Simple as that, then you can your favourete characters in there classic days again i suppose.

kelvSYC · Feb 16, 2002

OK, this is my first post here, so don't flame me.

What I would like to see in the CvSNK 3 core:
More Grooves. The grooves seemed hacked up to me, and I believe grooves should be true to the game they come from (but some sacrifices should be made to retain the game format), thus they demand no explanation. The grooves should be:

SNK - KOF Advanced Groove
SNK - KOF Extra Groove
SNK - KOF Groove (Counter mode is activated with PPK and Armor mode is activated with PKK, as well, you can designate strikers, which cost super bar)
SNK - Garou Groove
SNK - Last Blade Power Groove
SNK - Last Blade Speed Groove
SNK - Last Blade EX Groove
SNK - Samurai Spirits Slash Groove
SNK - Samurai Spirits Bust Groove
SNK - Art of Fighting Groove
Capcom - Street Figher Alpha 2 Groove
Capcom - Street Fighter Alpha 3 X-Groove
Capcom - Street Fighter Alpha 3 A-Groove
Capcom - Street Fighter Alpha 3 V-Groove
Capcom - Street Figher 3: Third Strike Groove
Capcom - Street Figher EX 3 Groove
Capcom - Marvel vs. Capcom 2 Groove (the only one with assists, delayed supers, and the like, but no tagging)
Capcom - Vampire Hunter Groove
Capcom - Vampire Savior Groove (this would be weird with only one life per character anyways, but 99 stocks...)
Capcom - Rival Schools Groove
Classical Groove (no super bar, air juggle, air block, chain combo, etc.)

Six buttons for Capcom, Four for SNK This is to make both Capcom and SNK camps happy... What the other two buttons do when playing SNK characters, I guess extra taunt buttons...

On-the-fly order Hold down buttons to determine your starter for a 2 or 3 character team (P or K for two characters, L, M, or H for three characters), and for 3 character teams, once the first player is KOed, hold buttons for your second character (again, P or K).

Multiple endings per play When you beat the final boss, you should get the ending for all surviving team members, even if they conflict.

Storyline Include mid-game cutscenes, full end-game cutscenes, and a real story.

What I want to see with existing CvSNK charactersNewest versions I think that both rosters should have their newest move sets. For example, Chun-Li's Shichisei Senkuu Kyaku super or Dan's Chohatsu Shinwa super

.

Mode changes Just like in MvC2, as a level 3 super, characters like Ryu or Iori shuld change into their alternate forms. Plus, they keep their forms between matches.

Redraw the Capcom characters Seriously, they really need it. The entire Darkstalker cast as well as the Alpha cast needs to be redrawn to a certain extent.

Athena Again, get a new costume.

Who I want to add or take out in CvS3
Frankly, I think no one should be taken out. So let's move on.

One character Chang and Choi should be two characters, and that goes for Mature and Vice, as well as Yun and Yang.

One common boss If Capcom and SNK could collaborate to make one ultra (cheap and powerful) boss, that would be interesting.

And now the new characters:
Keeping in mind there must be parity between Capcom and SNK, my short list (my long list would have about 50 per side) would be as follows:

I've listed an SNK character with a suitable Capcom character below:

SNK - Leona, Capcom - Felicia
SNK - Ralf, Capcom - Charlie (how do you work a dead guy in...?)
SNK - Clark, Capcom - Remy
SNK - Robert, Capcom - Demitri
SNK - Xiangfei, Capcom - Lei-Lei (Hsien-Ko)
SNK - K', Capcom - Alex
SNK - Orochi, Capcom - Jedah
SNK - Krauser, Capcom - Pyron
SNK - Amakusa, Capcom - Gill
SNK - Eiji, Capcom - Guy
SNK - Genjuro, Capcom - Donovan (with one more super - Anita's Love For You)
SNK - Axel, Capcom - Haggar
SNK - Hon-Fu, Capcom - Fei Long
SNK - Duck, Capcom - Dee Jay
SNK - Laurence, Capcom - Geki
SNK - Shingo, Capcom - Sean
SNK - Tung, Capcom - Gen
SNK - Takuma, Capcom - Retsu

And other unpaired characters:

Capcom - Adon
SNK - Mary
Capcom - Sodom
SNK - Kula
Capcom - Yang
SNK - Choi
Capcom - Juli
SNK - Mature
Capcom - Juni
SNK - Heidern
Capcom - T. Hawk
SNK - Chizuru
Capcom - Karin
SNK - Kensou
Capcom - Cody
SNK - Kuroko (another joke character?)
Capcom - Bishamon
SNK - Daimon
Capcom - J. Talbain
SNK - Chin
Capcom - Victor
SNK - Jhun
Capcom - Huitzil
SNK - Chris
Capcom - Q-Bee
SNK - Shermie
Capcom - Demitri
SNK - Yashiro

What new modes of play I would like in CvS3Dramatic Team Battle Home version only, up to four players (each with a team of up to three) can duke it out in whatever teams (of players) they want, and new characters just jump kick on screen once one is done. Otherwise, same as the Dramatic Battles in the Street Fighter Zero series.

Tag Tournament Battle Pick a two player tag team and move up a randomly generated tournament ladder. For those who would want to see brutal tag combat with Capcom and SNK characters.

Olympic Mode Home versions only. Capcom vs. SNK minigames like a side-scroller (Final Fight style), just anything where you can use your fighting characters for some useful purpose. Just no Capcom vs. SNK Puzzle Fighter, thank you very much.

Time attack mode Why not? Also keep fastest round times (from Samurai Showdown) and other statistics.

Ultimate Ratio Mode Pick either Capcom or SNK sides and engage in a giant (ratio 4) team battle with their entire roster against the entire other roster. Look at the dead bodies after it's all done. Good for people who want to try everyone out.

What stages I'd like to see in CvSNK 3
South Town, Metro City, those setting stages, as well as, with a secret code, one hidden stage per character (for example, Rolento's elevator)

What music I'd like to hear in CvSNK 3
A new mix of all kinds of music, but also include as a secret each character's classic music as a secret.

Tridagger X · Mar 4, 2002

my idea...

characters:
CAPCOM
T. Hawk, Fei Long, Dee Jay (to complete the Super SF2 group), Roy, Sean, Lilith, Ibuki, Felicia, Lucia (another Final Fight babe)

SNK
Genjuro, Billy, Krauser, Whip, K', Dong Hwan, Shingo, Kaede (we need another Last Blade character anyway), Kula

stages:
Italy - set in a moving boat just like Andy's stage in Fatal Fury 2
Sound Beach - same as in Fatal Fury 1 but with more crowds as well as Capcom and SNK cameos
Taiyo High School grounds - same as in Rival Schools
Junkyard - same as in SF3: 3rd Strike

Crazyman_bob · Mar 5, 2002

I would like to see more previously 3D characters in 2D format, like Kyosuke from Rival Schools. Adding Akira, Edge, Hinata, Batsu and Tiffany would be a good idea. Also, some Power Stone characters need to make it into the mix, like Falcon/Fokker, Jack, Rouge, Wang Tang, and Ryoma.
Maybe a "Power Stone" mode would be funny if they could work it in... imagine a one-on-one, knocking stones from each other, and if you got all three you would automatically perform your highest level super. If it was a Power Stone character, they would go into their Power forms first. Could work.
I would also like to see Team Up! or Party Up! Attacks, a la Rival Schools.
More SNK characters that are liked better need to be added to the mix... I mean, Raiden? What the hell? I know they needed a wrestler to face off with Zangief, but they could easily have used Daimon. They need Mary, Kula, Leona, Yashiro, Chris, and Shermie in there. They have such a huge fan following, it would make more gamers happy. Give Athena her schoolgirl or '99 outfit, too. That would make it alot better.

ray_7 · Mar 5, 2002

Originally posted by Crazyman_bob:
I would like to see more previously 3D characters in 2D format, like Kyosuke from Rival Schools. Adding Akira, Edge, Hinata, Batsu and Tiffany would be a good idea. Also, some Power Stone characters need to make it into the mix, like Falcon/Fokker, Jack, Rouge, Wang Tang, and Ryoma.
Maybe a "Power Stone" mode would be funny if they could work it in... imagine a one-on-one, knocking stones from each other, and if you got all three you would automatically perform your highest level super. If it was a Power Stone character, they would go into their Power forms first. Could work.
I would also like to see Team Up! or Party Up! Attacks, a la Rival Schools.
More SNK characters that are liked better need to be added to the mix... I mean, Raiden? What the hell? I know they needed a wrestler to face off with Zangief, but they could easily have used Daimon. They need Mary, Kula, Leona, Yashiro, Chris, and Shermie in there. They have such a huge fan following, it would make more gamers happy. Give Athena her schoolgirl or '99 outfit, too. That would make it alot better.<hr></blockquote>

Oh yeah! Great idea!
I also dream of 3D characters making appearances as 2D charas. Imagine if there's an ultimate 2D fighting games with charas from all fighting games (including MK, Tekken, etc.) in 2D glory!!!!

dredgulus · Mar 5, 2002

What I wouldlike in a CvS3? Let's see. I would like to see more characters. They could make it a less boring. I mean, I like the game, but after awhile it gets boring. The A.I. becomes cheesy and predictable. That's why it needs more characters. Get rid of the ratios, simply balance out the characters. Keep the 3 on 3, team and 1 on 1 fights. But, do this. Have the 3 on 3 and team fights allow for assists like in Kof 2001. Give the game a bit more of the Alpha 3 juggling ability, it seems that these combos are a bit limited. Produce the game at a higher resolution. Give it a mutli-platform release, so everyone will be able to get a copy of this game. Add more characters from non-fightings like the did for MvC2.

Saisyu Kusanagi · Mar 5, 2002

More people from garou and from both worlds like kyo and autogaurd and ryu and denji hado need to have all moves and properties at there disposal.

cvs2 was still not a straight up fight in my opinon.

neojedi · Mar 6, 2002

What did you expect, Capcom has no chance against SNK in a straight-up fight.

Welcome, Saisyu. :cool:

ShinAkumaXX · Mar 6, 2002

i think they should keep grooves, they seperate the games from other fighters. some redrawn old backgrounds, i really like the akuma/evil ryu stage from zero 3, redraw some capcom charachters of course, so the fit in. k, mature, kaede, have kyo with both suits, depending what button you press is the outfit yu get, actually do this with alot of charachters, kim jae hoon and dong hwan. dimitri. andy. ikari team. and kula, those are all i can think of at the moment.

Mr.Big · Mar 6, 2002

Originally posted by Jackal:
Here are some things I'd put in CvS3:

Groove Changes:

P-groove: Make it more like SFIII 3rd Strike. Add the EX-Specials as well as the ability to save multiple supers. Some supers should require 2 levels to use.

K-groove: Make it more like Garou in general.

New Grooves:

Cap'94 (SSFII Turbo): Like using the "old version" character codes from SSFII Turbo. No super moves, but normals and specials do slightly more damage.

SNK'94 (AOF2): Every special move would require a bit of your spirit meter. Super moves would do GRAVE damage (50% or more) but would be harder to attain, just like an AOF title. Your spirit meter would be vulnerable to taunt-downs.

New Characters:

Capcom:
*SFIII 3rd: Dudley, Alex, Q, Remy, Makoto, Twelve
*Final Fight 2: Carlos, Philippe (the clown)
*SFZ3: Karin
*Final Fight: Cody, Haggar, Guy
*SFIII: Gill (none of that Resurrection jazz here however)
NOTE: Morrigan should be redrawn.

SNK:
*RBFF2: Bob Wilson, Hon-fu
*KOF2001 New Faces: K9999, Mei-Li, Angel, Foxy
*Garou: Freeman
*KOF2001: Ralf & Clark (bring over the "Cross Changer!" intro), Robert Garcia, Andy Bogard
*KOF'96: Krauser, Mr. Big

Boss Teams (you'd need a certain amount of groove points and no continues)
*Capcom: Psycho-powered M. Bison, Shin Akuma, and Gill (all Ratio 4's)
*SNK: Geese, Krauser, Mr. Big (all Ratio 4's)
(To compensate for all three bosses being Rt. 4's- you'd get your current character's life bar refilled completely after beating one of the bosses.)

New Stages:

1) Berlin- This one would be a German techno club where the fighters are on a rotating stage.

2) New Orleans- Bourbon Street during a Mardi Gras with plenty of crowd noise.

3) Miami- The fighters battle on a blocked-out section of freeway. On the other side of the freeway, there's rush hour traffic. Past there, you can see some palm trees. Way off in the distance is a cityscape.

4) London- A revamp of the original CvS2 stage, except it's winter and there's some snow falling.

5) Shinjuku

6) Beijing

7) Ocho Rios, Jamaica- An outdoors scene with DeeJay's band performing live.

8) Southtown Ruins- Southtown after getting nailed with the Zero Cannon.

9) Metro City- A downtown look, like that of the first scene from Final Fight 1's last stage.

10) New York- Revamped version of the NY stage from CvS2.

11) Mittelgebirge- Strolheim Castle. (SNK Boss team's stage)

12) Thailand- Inside the Shadowloo Fortress (Capcom Boss team's stage)<hr></blockquote>

Those were the same ideas I had for a Street Fighter4 game,but oh well.I think for the SNK & Capcom boss teams stages,each character should have there own music.Also the characters should have taunts that would give them certain power-ups (a la SF3:3rd strike)

VinylBoy · Mar 6, 2002

I agreed with a lot of your posts, except for some of the character pairings... there are others that just make more obvious sense.

SNK - Leona, Capcom - Felicia<hr></blockquote>
Leona should be paired up with Cammy from the Capcom side. It makes more logical sense since they are both from the military and "take orders" from higher authority.

SNK - Ralf, Capcom - Charlie (how do you work a dead guy in...?)
SNK - Clark, Capcom - Remy<hr></blockquote>
Not a bad idea for Ralf... but Clark should be changed. My idea would to place Ralf & Clark against Juni & Juli respectfuly.

SNK - Robert, Capcom - Demitri<hr></blockquote>
This one I totally cannot see... although I must commend you for your love for Darkstalkers.
Place Robert against Cody...

SNK - Xiangfei, Capcom - Lei-Lei (Hsien-Ko)<hr></blockquote>
I think Xiangfei vs. Karin would be a more interesting fight.

SNK - K', Capcom - Alex<hr></blockquote>
Take out K' and replace him with Tizoc from MOTW. Let wrestlers fight wrestlers. Or, take oit Tizoc and use Muscle Power instead (yeah, I know World Heroes Perfect is by ADK, but you can't deny that there are some very worthy characters in that series).

SNK - Orochi, Capcom - Jedah<hr></blockquote>
The only logical matchup for Orochi would be Gill since they both claim to be "gods".

SNK - Krauser, Capcom - Pyron<hr></blockquote>
Hmmmm... that doesn't sound that bad. An odd matchup, but it could work.

SNK - Eiji, Capcom - Guy<hr></blockquote>
GUY FIGHTS ANDY BOGARD... there is no exceptions to this rule. This is one of the matchups people are still wanting to see, and I'm VERY surprised that CvS2 doesn;'t have any of these two characters in it.

Eiji is a ninja... and so isn't Geki from the original SF. Or Ibuki froim SFIII...

SNK - Genjuro, Capcom - Donovan (with one more super - Anita's Love For You)<hr></blockquote>
Wouldn't Kevin Ryan from MOTW be a better matchup? Considering that both of them have annoying brats that follow them along during battles.

SNK - Axel, Capcom - Haggar<hr></blockquote>
Axel Hawk is a boxer, while Haggar is a grappler. I would rather see Axel Hawk battle another boxer... but Heavy D. and Franco Bash make better boxers. Hmmm... maybe Goro vs. Haggar?

SNK - Hon-Fu, Capcom - Fei Long
SNK - Duck, Capcom - Dee Jay<hr></blockquote>
These I do agree with, ESPECIALLY Duck King vs. Dee Jay.

SNK - Laurence, Capcom - Geki<hr></blockquote>
Laurence Blood vs. Vega would be more logical. Both of them are "henchmen" to bigger bosses, and they both use weapons. Plus, they fight with a bit of... *ahem*... finesse.

SNK - Shingo, Capcom - Sean<hr></blockquote>
That actually WOULD be cool... although lately I've been digging the idea of Shingo vs. Dan for some strange reason... even though Dan should logically fight Ryo.

SNK - Tung, Capcom - Gen<hr></blockquote>
Most definitely...

SNK - Takuma, Capcom - Retsu<hr></blockquote>
Retsu doesn't sound like the type of fighter that should be going against Takuma. Retsu could go up against someone like Richard Meyer or Todo. Let Takuma be a solo character, or place him against someone like Lee.

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kafuin_gaira · Mar 6, 2002

put ss4 slash gaira in a cvs game and you'd have a world of trouble on your hands

assuming everything else remains identical, my team would be r2zangief/r2gaira

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Late · Mar 7, 2002

Take out the SS and LB characters
Feels kind of silly fighting Vega with Haohmaru
...They just don`t belong there

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