Respect For Capcom???

60 Second Assassin · Jul 12, 2002

I havent really looked at SNK that way since were talking about Capcom. Look at how many Megaman games there are. I stopped liking them after X4 because everything after that sucked. RE is shit now. I used to like it but now its just boring, same crap with drama now involved. SF, I mentioned before that Third Strike was a great game and is one of my favorites but SF goes on to long. Look at all the crappy SF characters Capcom have made. Dhalism, Honda, Blanka, and theres a ton more but I cant remember their name. Check out Alpha 3 and then you'll know what I mean.

10 in 2010 · Jul 13, 2002

Originally posted by 60 Second Assassin:
I havent really looked at SNK that way since were talking about Capcom. Look at how many Megaman games there are. I stopped liking them after X4 because everything after that sucked. RE is shit now. I used to like it but now its just boring, same crap with drama now involved. SF, I mentioned before that Third Strike was a great game and is one of my favorites but SF goes on to long. Look at all the crappy SF characters Capcom have made. Dhalism, Honda, Blanka, and theres a ton more but I cant remember their name. Check out Alpha 3 and then you'll know what I mean.<hr></blockquote>

couldn't agree more. i used to love Resident Evil , it was my favourite game series, i bought Resi 2 on the day it was released and absolutely loved it. Then they released that god-awful 'Gun Survivor' game. i had one go of that pile of crap, and thought 'oh dear RE is going the way of street fighter'. since RE:CV on DC, i've been right. how many different version of Code Veronica can you get now? 3 or 4 ? each with minor enhancements that do not justify a reprint of the game. And they actually made a sequel to that gun survivor game, and judging from Video footage, that looks like a real stinker as well. And SF:alpha 3, what a complete pile of shit. Alpha 2 was brilliant the first street fighter game i really enjoyed. i felt a real step forward to street fighter. good character balance,decent number of interesting characters, excellent stage desing and catchy music. Alpha 3 got rid off the good backgrouns, Alpha 2's 'create a combo' which i personally thought added a lot to the game, added a bunch of shit characters who i don't even enjoy beating up never mind playing as them, got rid of the old SF tunes (remember adon's sfa2 theme? wow!) and replaced them with a load of techno shite, and a complete twat announcer. add a load of crappy 'isms' and that game was a super letdown.

i can't even be arsed with megaman any more.

TRIEUMINATOR · Jul 13, 2002

Originally posted by 60 Second Assassin:
I always hated them ever since they made SF: Alpha 3. That game sucked. I dont know why everyone said that game rocked.<hr></blockquote>

are you kidding? You must not play this game enough to see what it has to offer. The gameplay in A3 is rock solid and there's so many possibilities. You might want to go to Evolution 2002 to check out the A3 players.

What about A3 do you not like? If it's just the characters, well, you might want to check the KOF series (recycled to the bone. The combos and strategy in A3 is endless.

You guys forget so soon. Most of SNK programmers (for Fatal Fury, KOF and Sam Sho Series)came from Capcom that made the Street Fighter series. Capcom rocks all over, new and old.

[ July 13, 2002: Message edited by: TRIEUMINATOR ]

Judau · Jul 13, 2002

The only character I found fun to play as besides the Shotokans is Cody.

Cody was a great creation by Capcom in my opinion. The first really good character in SF since Ryu and Ken.

Rain · Jul 13, 2002

Originally posted by 60 Second Assassin:
Obviously Capcom made up a excuse to stop making 2D fighters since SNK murdered them with all the titles they shot out.<hr></blockquote>

Yeah, thats why Capcom is the dead one, and SNK are still making games

Rain · Jul 13, 2002

A few Quick points to the Capcom bashers:

What was the last original game that SNK made, that was a success?

We've had 6 Samurai Shodowns, 2 Last Blades, 9 Fatal Furys, 3 Art of Fighting's and 7 KOF's.... All fighters. SNK and Capcom both ROCK, and both should get respect for having the guts to still make 2D games in this day and age, But: They both use the same idea, again and again.

And anyway, they've swapped staff for so long now, there practically the same company anyway

60 Second Assassin · Jul 13, 2002

o...k... you got me there, but only reason Im saying what I think about Capcom because the topic was about how you respect capcom or hate it.

Triuminator, the thing I hate about Capcom is I thought it was totally rushed. I didnt really see anything new added to the series except a bunch of stupid looking characters and a shit load of ism's. Oh, and check out the endings, holy shit that is soem cheap ass garbage. plus I hated the music, Im not into that kind of stuff. The only characters I enjoyed to play as were the original cast from Alpha 1. Guy is my favorite since he has a lot of flare.

TRIEUMINATOR · Jul 13, 2002

Originally posted by 60 Second Assassin:
o...k... you got me there, but only reason Im saying what I think about Capcom because the topic was about how you respect capcom or hate it.

Triuminator, the thing I hate about Capcom is I thought it was totally rushed. I didnt really see anything new added to the series except a bunch of stupid looking characters and a shit load of ism's. Oh, and check out the endings, holy shit that is soem cheap ass garbage. plus I hated the music, Im not into that kind of stuff. The only characters I enjoyed to play as were the original cast from Alpha 1. Guy is my favorite since he has a lot of flare.<hr></blockquote>

Each title is a matter of opinion, so what I say cannot make you like A3, which is cool. I'm just giving my perspective of the game.

As to "rushing" the game for production, it took Capcom 3 years to develop this game from start to finish. That's a heck of alot of time compared to what SNK puts into theirs, which is 8-12 months tops. I own this game on the CPS2 system and there is rarely a day that I don't sit down to play it. What people forget about what makes a fighting game is that it's not particularly the SUPER MOVES that make the game, but the simplistic jabs, roundhouse etc. and distancing of the gameplay that makes it so deep.

If you ever get a chance, check out <a href="http://www.shoryuken.com" target="_blank">www.shoryuken.com</a> and download some of their A3 clips. There are so many amazing moves and combos that most people have never seen or performed.

You're right, they didn't add that many characters to the line up, but what they put most of their time into was the animation and the gameplay. It's so much more defined and tighter in controls than any of it's predecessors.

SFIII, while better in graphics, lacks in gameplay and speed vs. A3. A3 was a success in U.S. arcades, while SFIII was a failure. Give A3 more time and you'll see what I mean. A1 is great as well, but it's not a deep game A3 is.

60 Second Assassin · Jul 13, 2002

I thought SF3 was the best. Thirds Strike was one of my favorites and always will be. As for A3, it was fun from the start but it didnt really have anything new that really got me going in the game. The animation is way superior to kof but I like the gameplay better.

10 in 2010 · Jul 14, 2002

Originally posted by TRIEUMINATOR:


Each title is a matter of opinion, so what I say cannot make you like A3, which is cool. I'm just giving my perspective of the game.

As to "rushing" the game for production, it took Capcom 3 years to develop this game from start to finish. That's a heck of alot of time compared to what SNK puts into theirs, which is 8-12 months tops. I own this game on the CPS2 system and there is rarely a day that I don't sit down to play it. What people forget about what makes a fighting game is that it's not particularly the SUPER MOVES that make the game, but the simplistic jabs, roundhouse etc. and distancing of the gameplay that makes it so deep.

If you ever get a chance, check out <a href="http://www.shoryuken.com" target="_blank">www.shoryuken.com</a> and download some of their A3 clips. There are so many amazing moves and combos that most people have never seen or performed.

You're right, they didn't add that many characters to the line up, but what they put most of their time into was the animation and the gameplay. It's so much more defined and tighter in controls than any of it's predecessors.

SFIII, while better in graphics, lacks in gameplay and speed vs. A3. A3 was a success in U.S. arcades, while SFIII was a failure. Give A3 more time and you'll see what I mean. A1 is great as well, but it's not a deep game A3 is.<hr></blockquote>

I take it im still the only person taht prefers alpha 2 to 3? i just thought the game was a lot tighter and more solid as a fighter. and those final fight backgrounds complete with the old music was ace.

i also seem to be the only person who prefers SF3:2nd Impact to 3rd strike as well!!

ah well each to his own, i guess. I seem to prefer fighters with less characters that are more balanced (Real Bout Series, Last Blade, Mark Of The Wolves, SF3,alpha 2) to those with loads of characters (Alpha 3,late King Of Fighters , Capcom vs SNK , Vs series e.t.c)

VinylBoy · Jul 14, 2002

Originally posted by NeoCell:
Snk murdering Capcom yeah right. I respect capcom mostly all there games rocked even the 3d ones. If they want to slowdown on them let them do it, I mean between them and snk there where too many 2d fighters out at one time and it was hard to master one when a month later you got another one coming out. But I never take the time out to master any snk game because I no nobody who plays them, they have no spot in any of the arcades where I live, And capcom is the best in 2d fighters imo. <img src="graemlins/angry.gif" border="0" alt="[Angry]" /> <hr></blockquote>

Lemme guess... you live in America, right? Which explains why you don't see many SNK machines... for the US was probably the ONLY country that rejected most SNK games for Capcom titles.

To answer the original question, though... I do have respect for Capcom. Without SF2, there would have NEVER been standards for the current 2D fighter. SF2 revolutionized the genre to a point where other games could exist, and other ideas and concepts could grow. However, I do have a preference... SNK makes better fighters than Capcom. That's just a personal bias. I like how SNK isn't afraid of innovation, radical character design and modification, and the actual development of sensible storylines back in the early days of FF/AOF, etc. Before KOF '96 came into the picture and ruined the storylines, ALL of the games were somehow linked together to form one HUGE story. You REALLY felt as if you belonged to something.

Neither SNK or Capcom would have been able to come up with the games we have today if one or the other didn't exist... that's why there's a heavy deal of respect for both companies even though I do like one slightly better than the other. Why should we lose respect to Capcom because they're porting over old games to other systems? It may be a while before we see a new 2D fighter from them, but think about it... from SF1 to SF2, it took 4-5 years for that to happen. From SF2 to SF3 it took another 7-8 years. We saw all sorts of fighters in between those years since fighting games were the number one genre in arcades. Now, with all the fighters we have out there, we don't need to have more years with the genre overflooding the market. It may take some time for Capcom to count from 3 to 4, but if they ever do you know EVERYONE is going to play it, regardless if it may (or may not) be your favorite.

Last Boss · Jul 14, 2002

I have a lot of respect to Capcom. How can I forget Ghouls and Ghosts, Black Tiger, D&D,Forgotten Worlds,RE,Strider,DMC, Street Fighter,or how much they supported Dreamcast and Sega Saturn they risked a lot in doing that, and the list can go 4ever. If you hate capcom you hate gaming or you close your mind too much.

Speaking of SFA3 I believe it's the best fighter arcade to home conversion of all time. The gameplay is so deep and it has so much options I still play it these days and have a blast

Last Boss · Jul 14, 2002

I also forgot to say that Capcom doesn't make sequels too, let's not forget all the shooters they made for dreamcast like mars matrix and cannon spike, and RPGS like Breath Of Fire.
I love SNK too, I bought a neo cd when it was released and neo pocket, but Capcom's owns all game developers (yes even gay Nintendo). And it feels great when I go to the game store and in the middle of all the sea of garbage (Twisted Metal, John Madden 2022, Crash Bandicoot, NBA in da hood, Star Wars Kart, etc.)there's always a shiny Capcom game ready to save my day <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" />

SNKJorge · Jul 14, 2002

I respect Capcom, but I like SNK better.

pyrokilla · Jul 14, 2002

Capcom rules. Im sure the next Street Fighter will kick sooo much ass. Even thier shitty SF games are still fun.

10 in 2010 · Jul 14, 2002

Originally posted by Last Boss:
I also forgot to say that Capcom doesn't make sequels too, let's not forget all the shooters they made for dreamcast like mars matrix and cannon spike, and RPGS like Breath Of Fire.
I love SNK too, I bought a neo cd when it was released and neo pocket, but Capcom's owns all game developers (yes even gay Nintendo). And it feels great when I go to the game store and in the middle of all the sea of garbage (Twisted Metal, John Madden 2022, Crash Bandicoot, NBA in da hood, Star Wars Kart, etc.)there's always a shiny Capcom game ready to save my day <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" /> <hr></blockquote>

"Capcom dosen't make sequels"

Riiiiggggghhhhttttttt

did you know that breath of fire 4 is out??never mind a DC BOF game. and there's a new fighting game out by them, i heard it's better than their last release street fighter 2!!! (sarcasm off)

either you made a really bad typo or you don't know what your talking about.

Mars Matrix isn't developed by capcom, it was just published by them.

I can't believe they confirmed a port of the GC capcom vs snk 2 EO for the ps2. i mean it's no different from the current ps2 version except the easy operation mode. so that makes capcom think they have the right to make another copy of the game with full price tag. that makes me puke.

and why is nintendo a 'gay developer' along with sega they are probably the best developer out there right now.

Venturis41002 · Jul 14, 2002

Yeah, I respect Capcom. Why I like play Capcom Vs SNK 2 game. Too many casual gamer said " What is SNK? " hehehe.... <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" />

Muska · Jul 14, 2002

Yeah it does suck that Capcom is only paying attention to their 3d games. They need to work on Marvel vs Capcom 3; wich I have been waiting for like ever.

60 Second Assassin · Jul 15, 2002

Activision has the rights to Marvel. If capcom tries to make another CvM game they'll get sued. I hope they try to do it though, I want their ass sued till they got shit for money.

PESTILENT · Jul 15, 2002

Capcom has done more than its share of milking all they can out of their games, but thats just good business sense. If people are willing to buy their "rehashes" more power to them.
They also are putting out some really good new stuff, as mentioned already.
As for wanting a new stand out 2D game....I wouldn't hold your breath. Like it or not, everything is going 3D and Capcom like any other smart business is gonna go with the flow, where the money is at.

J' Kusanagi · Jul 15, 2002

Don't feel like quoting and arguing, so I'll just say:

All RE's kick major ass except Gun Survivor!!!!
Mega Mans sucked after Mega Man 3 on NES
I really don't care if another SF doesnt come out. SFA3 was the best of them. SF3 was WEAK!
Devil May Cry and Onimusha simply roxorz and I can't wait for ONimusha 2 and DMC 2!!!!!!!!!
SNK is still the best 2d fighting game company around though.

SPINMASTER X · Jul 15, 2002

Originally posted by 60 Second Assassin:
Activision has the rights to Marvel. If capcom tries to make another CvM game they'll get sued. I hope they try to do it though, I want their ass sued till they got shit for money.<hr></blockquote>

What kind of evil has capcom done to make you wish ill on them? Its just plain crazy and immature even. One of that last great companies holding the 2d flag and you want them to go down. Playmore/SNK Neo Geo can't hold it by themselves(its been proven). If they go down then there is no hope for 2d.

Rain · Jul 15, 2002

Originally posted by SPINMASTER X:


What kind of evil has capcom done to make you wish ill on them? Its just plain crazy and immature even. One of that last great companies holding the 2d flag and you want them to go down. Playmore/SNK Neo Geo can't hold it by themselves(its been proven). If they go down then there is no hope for 2d.<hr></blockquote>

Exactly! It amazes me to see that so called "2D Fans" Will adore one company, and hate another! Damn FanBoys.....

ShinYojimbo · Jul 15, 2002

The choices for just about every year of recycled trash are as follows...

*Crapcom
*Crapcum
*Crackcom
*Crepecom

Show your "respect" and choose your name.

Devil_Gans · Jul 15, 2002

I have respect for capcom.Even though their SF franchise is old and gets rehashes after rehashes,there is no denying that their SF3 series and SF alpha 2 gold are the best that they could offer in 2d fighting games.3rd strike simply rocks especially the gameplay.
Capcom too has other genres of games that are cool such as Resident evil,Devil may cry,onimusha and project justice.
Devil may cry is just very electrifying and very well made.I can't wait for the sequel.

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