KOF 2k2: Clark's new move??

Earthquake · Aug 28, 2002

Zangief used to be my favorite 2D fighter/grappler of all time. That is until I played my first KOF a few years ago which was '99. After playing with Clark, I realized that Zangief was simply pathetic. In all reality, he only has 3 moves which is extremely sad. It wasn't until I played CvsSNK 1 though that I realized the greatness of SNK grapplers. Compared to Raiden's arsenal of killer wrestling maneuvers, Zangief was nothing but a joke. Raiden's gut punch into a side belly-to-belly suplex was far better than anything I had ever seen the Gief man do before.

SNK grapplers forever!

SPINMASTER X · Aug 28, 2002

Yup, unfortunately Capcom doesn't really give a damn about grappler type characters.

ShikiMikoto · Aug 28, 2002

I prefer Zangief to Raiden anyday. But you're right, Spinmaster, Capcom hasn't been doing anything with grapplers at all lately...maybe except for Haggar in this upcoming 3-D game...but he's old news...

I personally think Shermie's more intersting than Clark, but Clark is more...um...what's the word...flamboyant? I dunno..."better moves than Shermie" type-word...I hate to use "better" for some reason... <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

btw, spinmaster, for your sig, why don't you get that gif of Mukuro from LB2 pointing and laughing from Gamegen? He's a good one.

[ August 28, 2002: Message edited by: ShikiMikoto ]

SPINMASTER X · Aug 29, 2002

Originally posted by ShikiMikoto:
I prefer Zangief to Raiden anyday. But you're right, Spinmaster, Capcom hasn't been doing anything with grapplers at all lately...maybe except for Haggar in this upcoming 3-D game...but he's old news...

I personally think Shermie's more intersting than Clark, but Clark is more...um...what's the word...flamboyant? I dunno..."better moves than Shermie" type-word...I hate to use "better" for some reason... <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

btw, spinmaster, for your sig, why don't you get that gif of Mukuro from LB2 pointing and laughing from Gamegen? He's a good one.

[ August 28, 2002: Message edited by: ShikiMikoto ]<hr></blockquote>

I made a topic at Gamefaqs about Capcom and Grapplers called "Capcom and SNK: A grappler question" and it turned into a damn good topic with capcom fans and SNK fans participating with not one flame at all! It was excellent and we came to the conclusion that capcom just doesn't seem to care about grappler type characters seeing as they have so few grapplers and the few they do are usually similar to each other with less diversity and mid tier and take a bit more skill to use. Damn i wish it was still up cuz i'd post a link.

Oh i don't think i could put up another sprite in my sig cuz people with dial-up may complain it is too big then that damn Judge Dredd would moderate my sig and i don't wanna jeopardize it cuz i don't mean to toot my own horn but my sig is one of the coolest here, hehehe. Thanks for the heads up about that sprite though! If i make an new sig i'll probably use it.

EDIT: oh yea and I prefer 'Gief too even though he only has a couple moves, hehehe. I just can not dislike like him, i mean he is the father of all grapplers and grapplers are my favorite characters.

[ August 29, 2002: Message edited by: SPINMASTER X ]

ShikiMikoto · Aug 29, 2002

Yeah, seriously, basically Zangief, T. Hawk, haggar and Darun and Hugo (hardly) are pretty much Capcom's main grapplers...R. Mika's a pathetic excuse for a wrestler IMHO...

Yeah, and with your sig...Billy doesn't look like he's laughing...but that's just me...do what you want, it's your sig, anyway... :cool:

K9999 · Aug 29, 2002

People used to make fun of me for using Zangief when SFII came out, I was the only person down at my arcade to use him. They all said he was useless, slow, and no fun.

Then I always finished my win with a Spinning Piledriver just to show them off

SPINMASTER X · Aug 29, 2002

Can't forget Alex! Alex is my favorite capcom grappler! Out of all Capcom grapplers i'd say Alex was a good job on their part cuz he can be used like a grappler and like a regular striker char cuz of his diverse arsenal. Alex is almost good enough to hold up against SNK's good grapplers. And you are right, R.Mika is a joke. She is a grappler with like almost zero priority in her grabs which makes absolutely no sense at all. If she had say Clark's priority then R.Mika would be a monster!!! Too bad Capcom doesn't care much for grapplers.

Ironically alot of people say Billy Kane is what makes them laugh about my sig.

SPINMASTER X · Aug 29, 2002

Originally posted by K9999:
People used to make fun of me for using Zangief when SFII came out, I was the only person down at my arcade to use him. They all said he was useless, slow, and no fun.

Then I always finished my win with a Spinning Piledriver just to show them off <hr></blockquote>

You rule, and thats all that can be said.

ShikiMikoto · Aug 29, 2002

And you are right, R.Mika is a joke. She is a grappler with like almost zero priority in her grabs which makes absolutely no sense at all. If she had say Clark's priority then R.Mika would be a monster!!! Too bad Capcom doesn't care much for grapplers.
Ironically alot of people say Billy Kane is what makes them laugh about my sig<hr></blockquote>

Yep. R. Mika was the (or at least one of the) biggest mistake of Capcom. Really a dumb creation...

As for Billy, yeah, I can see that, actually...

I forgot about Alex! He was pretty decent...I haven't played SF3 in a while now since I got a bit disgusted with capcom...

NickD · Aug 29, 2002

One thing about Clark that bugs me however. He doesn't have the ability to break a move like Blue Mary or Goro does (ie turning a kick from the opponent into a leg lock). That's his only flaw in my book. I also like the story SNK wrote about his character, like the fact that he wears shade because he doesn't want to see the sun no more.

SPINMASTER X · Aug 29, 2002

Clark is like the Ryu of grapplers. He has the personality of a tree yet he is so well liked by many, also even though his attire looks basic he is still cool as ever! Damn those shades and that glove are just badass.

SNKJorge · Aug 29, 2002

I also agree with you SPIN Clark all the way, Shermie is nothing compare to Clark.

ShikiMikoto · Aug 29, 2002

I actually was pretty bad with Clark until 2000...Now he's pretty useful when I use him more and more...

NickD · Aug 29, 2002

Originally posted by ShikiMikoto:
I actually was pretty bad with Clark until 2000...Now he's pretty useful when I use him more and more...<hr></blockquote>

Clark is a character that you must get used to. You'll get beat up a bunch of times at first but practice makes better. One day, you'll be unbeatable

SPINMASTER X · Aug 29, 2002

Originally posted by NickD:


Clark is a character that you must get used to. You'll get beat up a bunch of times at first but practice makes better. One day, you'll be unbeatable <hr></blockquote>

yes this is true. I remember the first time i tried clark i could hardly remember his commands for throws and i'd always get whooped up by my brother and friends(even by my scrubby friends) then gradually by listening to other people around here and looking at various FAQ's on grapplers i learned how to play grapplers and it came to the point where some of my friends refused to play me if i used Clark.

SNKFreak · Aug 29, 2002

Bah! You all know nothing! EIJI IS THE BEST GRAPPLER!!....... Well... if he WAS a grappler he'd be the best, and you all know it! <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" />

Stupid freggin Eolith and Gaymore... no Eiji or Geese..... Good thing my two slot has AOF2 and RealBout in it.......

Edit : And oh yeah, about Capcom. They don't really care about grapplers because they only have 2 big fighting games. They have the SF series (fireballs are king) and the VS series. Playing their other (better) fighters like Darkstalkers is a much better game to compare. Every character has at least one grappling move in that game, and Anakaris is a really interesting and unique grappler. SNK on the other hand always has different things going on. Their games are more balanced, therefore the fans need constant improvements and all kinds of new things to stay interested. Take KOF for example, the hero team ALWAYS has a grappler in it. And even Goro, who was in 5 consecutive KOF games, always played differently in each one. You can't expect A fireball based company to compare to a variety of creative characters. Half of Kyos moves are defensive, none of Ryus even come close.... hadoken hadoken shoryuken will always equal a win :\

[ August 29, 2002: Message edited by: SNKFreak ]

Fran · Aug 29, 2002

as i said before,
goro is THE grappler

shermie can be really deadly
and clark is very annoying when used properly

its just a shame i cant play some kof 98 with you guys

because know what,you lot dissin shermie?

id make you change your minds

SNKFreak · Aug 29, 2002

Goro is THE grappler, but you gotta admit that Clark is sometimes more fun to use.

Fran · Aug 29, 2002

Originally posted by SNKFreak:
Goro is THE grappler, but you gotta admit that Clark is sometimes more fun to use.<hr></blockquote>

well its about personal preferences,really

my friends use goro and they like him a lot,
its good fun for em

me,personally,i dont like him

same can be said for clark

i prefer shermie or vice

both excellent grapplers

goro is still the strongest fighter in kof 98

no doubt about that

Spike Spiegel 2.0 · Aug 29, 2002

I would agree with Spin, as I usually tend to do. Clark's the best grappling character I've ever seen. Goro's good... don't get me wrong. Hell, some have seen my Goro and know I'm good with him, but Clark is just insane. And to think they're giving him ANOTHER move that's supposed to be very good? What in the holy hell are they thinking? I mean, I say bring it on, but is it really fair for the other chars? There I go, thinking video game characters have feelings again.

Clark = pimp.
Spike

Fran · Aug 29, 2002

a good clark player hasnt got a chance against a good daimon player

SNKFreak · Aug 29, 2002

Vice rocks O_O! I cant believe I forgot about her. Goro has way more counters than Clark has, he's kind of a Clark and Kasumi combined, not to mention you can link his throws from his counters, then his DM from the throws..... AND HE HAS A LITTLE KID... WHO ROLLS!! O_O

SPINMASTER X · Aug 29, 2002

Okay Okay Fran, we know good and well about 98 Daimon but this is a Clark Topic! Why are you so admant about pushing the fact Daimon is a monster in 98, we all know this! Did your friends put Goro on you so good that it has scarred you for life? j/k, all fun and games!

OH MY GOSH Can it be!?!?!?!?! Spike is back!!!!! An upgraded Spike Spiegel, v.2.0!!! Man i could hug you(with clark's SAB)!! I knew you'd be back.

SPINMASTER X · Aug 29, 2002

Originally posted by SPINMASTER X:
If KOF was 2 on 2 like the the Marvel vs Series before MvC2 then me and NickD would be the ultimate team of Ownage!!! I think this equation pretty much sums it up:

A = Spinmaster X

B = Nick D

A x B = AB

Ralf + Clark = AB > jo0

take that to your algebra professor and see what he says about that, heh.<hr></blockquote>

just in case ya'll didn't catch it the first time <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" /> <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" />

Takumaji · Aug 29, 2002

Originally posted by ShikiMikoto:
 [...] I personally think Shermie's more intersting than Clark, but Clark is more...um...what's the word...flamboyant? I dunno..."better moves than Shermie" type-word...I hate to use "better" for some reason... <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />
<hr></blockquote>

Clark is a trained fighter and deadly and all, but Shermie is both a good grappler and versatile, because I think she wasn't really meant as a grappling chara.

This broad range of possibilites is what I miss when I play with Clark, or with Goro, while he is more powerful.

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