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2004, NJPW has two 50,000 plus dome shows....Wasteland. NJPW has always been tied to MMA. It's whole purpose was to show pro wrestlers were the strongest athletes in the world. Hence king of sports.

Inoki was talking about scaling back NJPW for a few years before he sold it, he like everyone saw that the kakutougi boom was over. so he he sold a sinking ship, then opens up a smaller IGF.

When you see a former football player with basically no training beat the number one kick boxer in the world, or Mike Tyson loose to a jobber, or a NJPW
pro wrestler beat the number 1 ranked MMA heavyweight at the time, nothing will surprise you.

Unlike you I have no console war type agenda of MMA vs Boxing. It must kill you that NJPW is basically responsible for starting modern MMA. lol

You. Are. Dumb.
 

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https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/exclusives/new-japan-pro-wrestling-s-revenue-level-1990s

You both are right on some points.

Mainstream popularity in Japan is down. Puro is no longer aired on Primetime over the air TV, and when it is aired on any time slot these days, no promotion is hitting close to Crush Gals numbers (ratings in the mid 50s).

How is it possible for revenue to be what it is, if fewer people are buying? Ticket & Merch prices are up compared to back in the 90s.
 

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Ratings comparisons are stupid because in the 50s-80s you could count the number of channels on one hand.

Companies measure success in money. Profit and loss.

And unlike the US dollar, the yen has experienced extremely little inflation.

TNA was once drawing more viewers than Smackdown got this week but they were losing flaming dumptrucks full of money to achieve those numbers.
 

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Same goes for the US. Much, much, much fewer people are watching wrestling now than they did in the 80's. Both in person and on TV.

The WWE is a billion dollar company. They just figured out how to get more money out of less people.
 

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It really doesn't take a genius to see the business is not as popular as it once was in Japan. In the 90's alone, you had NJPW, AJPW, UWF, Rings, Pancrase, PRIDE and K-1, all major promotions, with mainstream TV deals or coverage. Today we have 2. NJPW and RIZIN, and only RIZIN has a mainstream TV deal with FUJI, NJPW is on TV Asahi which is a very small channel that only shows a 1 hour highlight that is months behind. Sometimes they show live events, but not often.

RIZIN comes on prime time TV only twice a year and they barely got 7-10 million people to watch their last card which was their biggest to date. That might sound like a lot, but FUJI was hoping for 35-40 million like when KID fought Masato back in K-1. The Kakutougi Business has been on life support for years. It's sad as a fan.

Hopefully someday in the future it will pick back up and we will get to see some NJPW vs AJPW supercards like we used to.
 

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When I lived in Japan, I was getting 186 yens for every dollar I withdrew from an ATM. Stan Hansen & Bruiser Brody had 5 figure/ week deals (paid in dollars).

There may have been less than 10 channels in the US back then, but in Japan there has been HD broadcasts since the 80s, fiber, cable, and satellite service country wide DECADES before it was mainstream in the US...

...and yes, ratings DID matter. Advertisers are willing to pay more for commercial spots, the higher rated the program.

@ Famicommander: it’s ok to not know everything, dude. Cut Lee some slack, and chill with the name calling. You cut a lousy promo.
 
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When I lived in Japan, I was getting 186 yens for every dollar I withdrew from an ATM. Stan Hansen & Bruiser Brody had 5 figure/ week deals (paid in dollars).

There may have been less than 10 channels in the US back then, but in Japan there has been HD broadcasts since the 80s, fiber, cable, and satellite service country wide DECADES before it was mainstream in the US...

...and yes, ratings DID matter. Advertisers are willing to pay more for commercial spots, the higher rated the program.

@ Famicommander: it’s ok to not know everything, dude. Cut Lee some slack, and chill with the name calling. You cut a lousy promo.

No.

He's retarded, straight up, and contributes nothing to anything under any circumstances.
 

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You can argue with Fami or you can let him peruse his wrestling sources posting interesting shit. There's obviously not a middle ground here so let's move on gentlemen.
 

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When I lived in Japan, I was getting 186 yens for every dollar I withdrew from an ATM. Stan Hansen & Bruiser Brody had 5 figure/ week deals (paid in dollars).

There may have been less than 10 channels in the US back then, but in Japan there has been HD broadcasts since the 80s, fiber, cable, and satellite service country wide DECADES before it was mainstream in the US...

...and yes, ratings DID matter. Advertisers are willing to pay more for commercial spots, the higher rated the program.

@ Famicommander: it’s ok to not know everything, dude. Cut Lee some slack, and chill with the name calling. You cut a lousy promo.

No joke, go back and see how many times he called me dumb or retard though this conversation. It's pretty hilarious.
 

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WWE Elimination Chamber PPV Results: 2-17-19

Results courtesy of PWTorch.com (direct link to Keller's real-time report).

(1) WOMEN’S ELIMINATION CHAMBER MATCH TO CROWN WOMEN’S TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS

Naomi & Carmella came out first, which was a little awkward for the announce team. Then Riott Squad’s Liv Morgan and Sarah Logan. Then the IIconics, who looked at the structure with some concern, but then suddenly went back to their cocky swagger until they were locked in the pod, at which point they suddenly looked worried again. Tamina & Nia Jax came out next. Then Mandy Rose & Sonya Deville came out. Graves interrupted Renee and said she was ruining things for her and said Mandy shouldn’t be in an unsanitary environment like a pod. Then Sasha Banks & Bayley. Beth mentioned that they were proponents of the Women’s Division for so long, so this is a big moment for them.

Bayley and Sasha opened against Deville and Rose. Bayley scored an early two count on Deville after a Sasha dive onto Deville on the steel platform at ringside. Cole talked about there only being one prior tag team match in the Chamber. Graves gushed about Mandy and Sonya, but the subtle change was he wasn’t drooling over Mandy in a lustful way, which always felt weird for a married man (and really, too over the top for anyone to the point of always seeming uncomfortable).

The first to leave a pod when the horn sounded were the Riott Squad members. They all knocked each other out. They went to an overhead shot of all six bodies down and not moving. The IIconics were then released from their pod. They eagerly went after the other women with an aggressive attack. They worked over Sasha and scored a near fall. They threw a screeching fit when Sasha managed to kick out. The crowd seemed restless with the way the match was playing out with so many women down and the IIconics just screeching obnoxiously with a methodical continued attack on Sasha and Bayley.

Next to enter were Naomi and Carmella. Lots of new potential team nicknames come to mind after the week these two have had. The action picked up, but it was those one-move-at-a-time parades while everyone else watched situations. Cole kept stressing that no one had been eliminated yet. Nia and Tamina pounded on the wall of their pod as everyone else struggled to regain their senses and stand up. As Cole talked about the Naomi-Mandy storyline when they faced off, Renee said Mandy deserves whatever beating she gets for stepping into the personal life of Naomi and her husband. Naomi hit a Rear View on Mandy, but the IIconics then rolled up Naomi for a leverage pin to eliminate her.

ELIMINATION #1: Naomi & Carmella.

Graves predicted the IIconics will win the entire match. The IIconics found themselves surrounded. Graves changed his prediction to there being no way the IIconics escape this predicament. Nia & Tamina came out next. Tamina and Nia were released from their pod and tossed everyone around. Nia let out a barbaric yell. The IIconics tried to hide in a pod. Nia and Tamina noticed and walked over and taunted them. The IIconics tried to convince them to beat up the others. Nia and Tamina eventually broke into the pod and yanked them into the ring. They hit stereo Samoan Drops to eliminate The IIconics.

ELIMINATION #2: The IIconics.

The rest of the women concentrated their attack on Nia and Tamina. Sasha and Bayley then got sustained offense against everyone else. They double teamed Mandy and Deville in a corner. Jax and Tamina took over again, taking out Sasha and Bayley. Riott Squad climbed onto the top of a pod. Renee called it a brilliant move to assess the situation and catch their breath. They dove off the pod onto Tamina, Jax, Rose, and Deville on the platforms outside the ring. Tamina came back and splashed both Riott Squad members for a three count.

ELIMINATION #3: Riott Squad.

Jax charged at ringside toward Bayley, but Bayley moved and Jax crashed thorough the walls of the pod. Yikes. She collapsed in the corner breathing hard but barely moving. Tamina looked on worried. Everyone went at Tamina. Bayley landed her flying elbow and all four covered her for the win.

ELIMINATION #4: Tamina & Nia.

The crowd was into it at this point, loudly chanting “Yes!” Graves said his daughters were glued to the TV knowing they were witnessing history. Fans sang “Na na na na good bye” at Tamina and Jax as they left. The pace and intensity picked up with the two remaining teams. Graves called Mandy “God’s Greatest Creation” when she saved Deville from a three count by Bayley. Bayley and Sasha climbed onto the pod to chase down Mandy. They rammed her into the wall and then set up a toss off the top. Deville began to climb to intervene. Bayley kicked her down. Mandy punched Bayley, knowing her to the platform. Deville then kicked Bayley into the support bean of the pod. Sasha dropped down to check on her. Mandy then gave Sasha a face plant for a believable near fall. She went right for another cover, but Sasha kicked out again. Deville went for a spear of Sasha, but Sasha moved and she speared Mandy instead. After Deville checked on Mandy, Sasha put Deville in the Bank Statement, but her shoulder hurt and it prevented the application of the hold. She shifted to using her leg instead and got the tapout.

ELIMINATION #5: Deville & Rose.

WINNERS: Bayley & Sasha in 33:00. (***1/2)

It dragged a bit at the start, but the last half once everyone was in the match was really strong. Big spots, well-timed drama, and the right winners.

(2) THE MIZ & SHANE MCMAHON vs. THE USOS – Smackdown Tag Team Title match

Miz stepped out and dedicated the match to his daughter, his dad, and Maryse. Then out came Maryse. Miz said they have another big announcement. “We’re having another baby!” she shouted. Miz and Maryse seemed genuinely excited to share the news. Fans chanted “You still got it!” Miz said, “Yes, I do still got it!” Shane McMahon came out next, wearing the Smackdown Tag Title belt as he danced out. They opened with Miz against Jey Uso. Miz stayed in his Miz & Mac button up shirt. The Usos tried to double super kick Miz, but he backed out of range into his corner.

Shane tagged in a minute later. He rolled up Jey for a near fall. He threw some punches and an elbow and then tagged Miz back in. Phillips praised the early teamwork of Miz & Shane so far. They clotheslined both Usos over the top rope to the floor. The Usos reentered and took control, settling into a chinlock on Miz. Shane led the crowd in clapping. Miz eventually hot-tagged Shane who knocked over Jimmy and then attacked Jey in the corner. He turned and pump kicked Jimmy which showed a lot of light. He backdropped Jimmy and then danced around him. He got some boos. Then he punched Jimmy. Jey entered and Shane gave him a DDT. He did the same to Jimmy for a two count. Shane climbed to the top rope and delivered the Coast to Coast on Jimmy. Not much a crowd pop. Shane climbed to another top turnbuckle went for a Coast to Coast on Jey, but Jey kicked him and then top rope splashed him. Miz broke up the pin attempt at two.

Miz tagged in and went after Jey and scored a two count after a DDT. They took it to ringside. Miz began taking apart the Smackdown announce desk and cleared it of equipment. Jimmy dove at Miz, but hit Jey by mistake. Shane leaped off the top rope and elbowed Jey through the announce desk. Neither moved much after impact. The ref checked on them. Miz threw Jimmy not the ring and went for a Skull Crushing Finale. Jimmy escapade and superkicked Miz with a kick that showed a lot of light. Jimmy landed a top rope splash for two count. Miz then hit a Skull Crushing Finale. Jimmy leveraged Miz’s shoulders down for the victory. Graves said Shane and Miz fought their hearts out, but it didn’t work out for them.

WINNERS: The Usos in 14:00 to capture the Smackdown Tag Team Titles. (*3/4)

Not a match you’d want to show at a video clinic for crisp smooth wrestling that looks realistic. This was mainly a showcase for Shane to hit three big spots. It was awkward for the crowd who weren’t really sure who to root for or against, which worked against a lot of crowd heat and the general psychology of the match never found a groove.

(3) BOBBY LASHLEY & LIO RUSH vs. FINN BALOR – Intercontinental Title match

They threw to some other announce teams during ring entrance. Rush opened against Balor, but then tagged out before any contact. Lashley took Balor down and then flexed his arms. Balor came right back with a flying forearm. Rush dropped to the floor. Lashley joined him to regroup. Back in the ring Lashley took over for a minute until Balor avoided his charge, leaped over the top rope, and surprised Lashley with a kick. Rush distracted Balor, then Balor attempted a sunset flip. Lashley held onto the top rope and then took control again. Balor backdropped Lashley to the floor. Rush grabbed his leg as he ran the ropes. Balor went after him at ringside. Lashley caught Balor and shoved him back-first into the ringside barricade.

Lio tagged in and kicked away at Balor in the ring. Lashley and Rush tagged in and out, working over Finn for several minutes. Balor eventually came back against Rush, and wouldn’t let him tag out to Lashley. He cornered him and then grabbed his leg to keep him from reaching Lashley. When Lashley interfered, Balor clotheslined him to the floor. Balor then flip dove onto both Lashley and Rush at ringside. He threw Rush back into the ring and immediately hit him with a running dropkick. He then hit the double stomp off the top rope for the three count. Cole said Balor just became IC Champ fro the first time. Graves said it’s a tainted victory as he beat the hype man, not the actual champ.

WINNER: Balor at 9:30 to capture the Intercontinental Title. (**1/2)

The match was okay, but nothing special. It had some nice athleticism with Balor and Rush, but in the end it felt gimmicky and the victory for Balor did feel like something less than a big statement win.
 
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WWE Elimination Chamber PPV Results: 2-17-19

(4) RONDA ROUSEY vs. RUBY RIOTT – WWE Raw Title match

Riott came out first without anyone by her side due to the Chamber match earlier. Ruby charged at Ronda and took her down with punches. Ronda whipped Riott down with two judo throws. Ruby rolled to the floor and caught her breath seconds into the match. They showed Charlotte watching at ringside. Fans chanted “We Want Becky!” as Rousey began working over Riott. She applied an armbar and Riott tapped out quickly.

WINNER: Rousey in 2:00.

Not a lot to that. It’s not a bad idea to keep Rousey looking really strong, but it seems Ruby could have been spared being the person here to lose so unceremoniously. It’s tough to recover from a loss like that, not just because of how quickly she lost, but how she was treated as just a body filling a slot with almost no hype before and no expression of surprise afterward she lost so decisively. She was treated as a serious threat, and the real question coming out of the match is what she did to earn a title match in the first place.

-Charlotte entered and stared down Rousey afterward. Becky made her way through the crowd on crutches. Security let her go by. Graves said she has no business here. She rolled into the ring. Becky struggled to even stand once she rolled into the ring. Fans chanted “Becky! Becky!” All three stood together and stared. Charlotte trash talked Becky a little. Fans chanted “She’s The Man.” Becky attacked Charlotte with her crutch as Ronda stood by and watched. Becky focused on Charlotte’s left arm. Graves called for Houston P.D. to come stop this. Rousey walked toward Charlotte, who begged off into the corner. Becky attacked Rousey from behind with her crutches. Rousey held up one crutch to block her, but Becky was relentless. Graves exclaimed, “This is not how you deal with things!” Two security guys and two referees entered. Becky was escorted out of the ring. Becky had a big smile on her face. Rousey was bleeding from above her right temple at her hairline.

(5) BARON CORBIN vs. BRAUN STROWMAN – No DQ match

When the ref signaled for the bell, Corbin threw his vest at Strowman and then attacked him. Strowman easily defended himself and knocked Corbin out of the ring. Corbin took control with a kendo stick. Strowman got the stick, said he didn’t need it, and broke it over his knee. At ringside Corbin threw an office chair at Strowman, but Strowman caught it. When Strowman charged at ringside, Corbin side-stepped him and threw him into the ringside steps. He lifted the top of the stairs and bashed Strowman with them. Back in the ring Strowman eventually took over. He brought a table into the ring and leaned it in the corner. Strowman powerslammed Corbin through a table in the corner. Drew McIntyre and Bobby Lashley attacked Strowman with chairs. The no DQ stips came into play at another level here. They set the bases of the ringside steps next to each other in the ring and then triple teamed Strowman. Drew landed a Claymore kick. They set up a table, then stacked another one on top. They dragged Strowman onto the base of the stairs and then helped Lashley powerbombed him through the stack of two tables. Not much crowd response. Corbin made the cover and scored the three count.

WINNER: Corbin in 11:00. (*1/2)

The heels didn’t really prove anything here because of the three-on-one nature of the win, other than outsmarting the babyface in a match where it was legal to do so.
 

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WWE Elimination Chamber PPV Results: 2-17-19

(6) MEN’S ELIMINATION CHAMBER MATCH – WWE CHAMPIONSHIP AT STAKE

As The New Day came out, Graves said we’ve almost forgotten how good Kofi Kingston is because of Booty Os and Pancake nonsense. Jeff Hardy came out next and entered the pod. Then Randy Orton, Rey Mysterio, A.J. Styles, and Samoa Joe. Daniel Bryan walked out with Erick Rowan. Bryan said WWE management has made the fans The Authority. He said he is being punished for speaking his mind. He yelled “Fickle!” Two referees ordered Rowan to the back. Bryan protested. He told the fans he doesn’t want them to call him a martyr, but he is suffering for the greatest good. He said the small minded people repeat a phrase over and over, but there is still hope because those people and the planet needs him. He said the New Daniel Bryan will raise the beautiful championship over his head afterward and still be WWE Champion.

Bryan opened against Joe to start. Joe went for an early kneebar. Bryan rolled out of it and broke free. He cornered Joe and chopped him. Joe no-sold it. Bryan bailed out to ringside. Joe chased after him and chopped him against the chain fence. Joe grounded Bryan in the ring tried to submit him early. The screen noted that #WWEChamber is the no. 1 trend in the world. Kofi came in third and went on the attack on Joe. Phillips said there’s no way Kofi is 100 percent after what he went through on Tuesday. Bryan took some shots at Kofi, then climbed to the top of a pod and looked down at Joe. He sat and rested as Joe went at Kofi in the ring. Kofi leaped onto the pod and went after Bryan. Bryan walked sideways across the crossbeam mid-way up the side of the Chamber. Joe yanked him down. Kofi stomped on Joe’s hands to knock him down. Kofi then dropped off the side of the Chamber onto both Bryan and Joe. He sold pain from the landing. Graves said Kofi might’ve taken the worst of it.

Styles entered next. Styles springboarded himself off the top rope with a forearm at Bryan on the side of the cage, sending Bryan crashing down. Kofi then then battled Styles. Joe recovered and went after Styles and Kofi. Kofi got the better of Joe briefly, but then Joe surprised Kofi with a Coquina Clutch mid-ring. Kofi pushed off the top turnbuckle and leveraged Joe’s shoulders down, but Joe powered out. Kofi broke free of the Clutch, but Styles surprised Joe with a Phenomenal Forearm for the pin.

ELIMINATION #1: Samoa Joe.

Jeff Hardy was released from his pod into the match next. Styles and Hardy battled in the ring as Bryan and Kofi battled on the platform at ringside. Hardy leaped off a pod roof with a Swanton onto Styles who was draped over the top turnbuckle. Bryan then surprised Hardy with a flying knee for the pin.

ELIMINATION #2: Hardy.

Styles back suplexed Bryan as Bryan was superplexing Kofi, and Kofi and Bryan crashed to the mat while Styles was caught up in the ropes afterward. The final entrant was Orton at this point. Bryan surprised Orton with a backslide for a two count. Orton popped up and suplexed Bryan onto the top rope. He turned back to the others only to get dropkicked by Kofi. As Styles went for a Phenomenal Forearm aimed at Kofi, Orton intercepted him with an RKO for the pin.

ELIMINATION #3: Styles.

Kofi schoolboyed Orton for a surprise near fall. Kofi climbed to the top rope, but Orton knocked him off balance. Orton then delivered a DDT to Kofi off the ropes. He played to the crowd and then pounded the mat. He gave a charging Bryan a powerslam and then set up an RKO on Kofi. Kofi surprised Orton with a Trouble in Paradise for the win. Fans popped for that pin and chanted for Kofi.

ELIMINATION #4: Orton.

Bryan went at Kofi with kicks. Kofi got fired up and went for a Trouble in Paradise, but Bryan ducked. Bryan then knocked Kofi down and threw Yes Kicks to Kofi’s chest. Kofi gave Bryan an S.O.S. and popped the crowd with a believable near fall. Fans believed Kofi might win here. Graves said the energy in the building he’s only experienced a few times in his career. “The world is believing in Kofi Kingston,” he said. Bryan rallied with some running dropkicks in the corner. Kofi popped out of the corner with a dropkick and then scored another high-drama believable pin. They showed the crowd reacting on a split screen replay. Bryan rolled out of the ring as Kofi got fired up. Kofi went after him.

Bryan took over and back in the ring landed a running knee for a believable near fall. Bryan stomped away at Kofi and made another cover for a two count. Bryan charged, but Kofi landed a surprise S.O.S. for a near fall. Bryan reversed the cover and the director inexcusably cut to a crowd reaction shot. Kofi kicked out. Bryan applied a submission on Kofi’s arm and then yanked on his chin for added leverage. Kofi yelled in pain and struggled to grab the bottom rope as fans chanted his name. Bryan let go, even though he didn’t have to, either out of habit or exhaustion. Fans chanted “This is awesome!” Bryan climbed to the top rope. Kofi kicked him off balance. More loud “Kofi” chants. Bryan climbed to the top of the pod to escape, but Kofi pursued him. They battled for a while up there. Kofi kicked Bryan to the mat. He then leaped off and went for a splash, but Bryan moved. He then hit his running knee for the win.

ELIMINATION #5: Kingston.

WINNER: Bryan to retain the WWE Championship. (****1/4)

-After Bryan music played and he celebrated, Big E and Xavier Woods ran out to congratulate Kofi on his effort. They helped him up. Fans chanted “Thank you, Kofi!” It went on a while as the show ended.

Excellent main event. The PPV clocked out at 3 hours 17 minutes.
 

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Today WWE fired Arn Anderson from his producer role and granted the following wrestlers their official releases (at their own request):
Hideo Itami/KENTA Kobayashi
Tye Dillinger
Theodore Perkins (fka TJP, PUMA, Suicide, Manik)

Not sure why they fired Arn. Could just be because of all the other producers they just hired.

Dillinger sucks balls but Perkins and KENTA are both fantastic. Hopefully KENTA signs with NJPW instead of going back to the ghost of Pro Wrestling NOAH.
 

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Meltzer is saying TJP didn’t ask for his release. Nor did Arn.

Maybe Tye & Cody will reform their tag-team in AEW?

All of today’s releases will be free to compete at Double or Nothing.
 

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I am hearing people say WWE was mad about TJP's new tattoos. While he didn't ask for his release, he has been very unhappy for a long time about being benched.

Dillinger sucks shit and I don't care what he does.
 

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First match for G1 Supercard at Madison Square Garden announced

ROH World Tag Team Champions the Briscoes vs IWGP Tag Team Champions The Guerillas of Destiny

Both titles are on the line, so unless there's a fuck finish someone is walking out of there as double champions.
 
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Why in the hell isn't Honor Rising on Honor Club???
Because NJPW and their TV partners produced the show. It's on NJPW World.

They might make a couple ROH TV episodes out of it, or put the best matches up on Honor Club later though.
 

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First match for G1 Supercard at Madison Square Garden announced

ROH World Tag Team Champions the Briscoes vs IWGP Tag Team Champions The Guerillas of Destiny

Both titles are on the line, so unless there's a fuck finish someone is walking out of there as double champions.

ROH doesn't do those kind of finishes. Ether The Briscoes are once again becoming IWGP champs or G.O.D is coming to ROH.
 

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ROH doesn't do those kind of finishes. Ether The Briscoes are once again becoming IWGP champs or G.O.D is coming to ROH.

ROH has done those kind of finishes, especially when Bullet Club is involved.

They do it way less than the other promotions and they are recently re-emphasizing clean finishes, but they have absolutely booked fuck finishes in recent memory.
 

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ROH has done those kind of finishes, especially when Bullet Club is involved.

They do it way less than the other promotions and they are recently re-emphasizing clean finishes, but they have absolutely booked fuck finishes in recent memory.

Yes, but ROH does not enforce the DQ rule.
 
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