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Joe if you were there, Cole said it was sold out, was it?

Detroit was announced as sold out when it was no where near.
 

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WWE Survivor Series PPV Results: 11-19-17

(2) TEAM RAW (Alicia Fox & Asuka & Sasha Banks & Bayley & Nia Jax) vs. TEAM SMACKDOWN (Carmella & Tamina (w/Lana) & Natalya & Becky Lynch & Naomi)

Becky tossed Fox with an exploder suplex, but Bayley blind tagged in and rolled up Lynch for an early elimination just two minutes in.

Eliminated: Lynch in 2:00.

The Raw women celebrated in an over-the-top manner that just felt inauthentic and cartoonish. They were all acting like Jimmy Hart with a Red Bull and a Mountain Dew Big Gulp in them. Asuka tagged in next to a nice pop. Natalya went to work on Bayley next. Tamina splashed Bayley a minute later and scored the three count, making it four vs. four.

Eliminated: Bayley in 5:00.

Jax and Tamina entered. The announcers made a big deal out of this being the first time they’ve touched. Jax headbutted Tamina and both were staggered. Graves called it a headbutt stalemate. Jax lifted Tamina on her shoulders. Lana jumped onto the ring apron. Jax turned and knocked her hard off the ring apron. Tamina superkicked Jax twice. Jax bailed out to the floor. The ref held back Tamina. Naomi leaped onto Jax at ringside. The ref turned and began to count. Tamina then superkicked Jax at ringside. Tamina leaped off the steps and bodypressed her to the floor. Jax was counted out just as she began to re-enter the ring at 9:00.

Eliminated: Jax in 9:00.

A couple minutes later, Naomi countered Fox into a sunset flip type spot, but Fox lifted her shoulder before three. The ref, though, counted to three and shoved Fox out of the ring. Banks then surprised Naomi with a sudden Bank Statement. That couldn’t have been intended to look that bad. Either Fox should have kept her shoulders down or the ref was confused about whether it was a finish.

Eliminated: Fox in 11:00.

Eliminated: Naomi in 11:00.

Asuka tagged in against Carmella and landed a hip attack for an early two count. Cole said Asuka hasn’t been pinned since 2015. Carmella made a comeback by yanking on Asuka’s hair. She hit a bronco buster in the corner. She showboated and taunted Banks. When she slapped Asuka, Asuka smiled and stood and got fired up. She gave Carmella knee to the head and a kick to the face for the win.

Eliminated: Carmella in 13:00.

It came down to Banks & Asuka vs. Natalya & Tamina. Natalya landed a discus clothesline for a two count. Banks applied a Bank Statement mid-ring. Tamina broke it up. Banks turned to stare down Tamina, but Natalya rolled her up from behind. Then she threw Banks head-first into the turnbuckle and followed up with a sharpshooter. Booker said he didn’t like where this was going. Tamina knocked Asuka off the ring apron just as Banks seemed to get near a tag. Banks tapped out.

Eliminated: Banks in 16:00.

Fans chanted “let’s go Asuka” as she was being worked over by Tamina. Asuka avoided a top rope splash attempt and then applied an armbar. Tamina tapped to Asuka’s armbar at 17:35.The last two women were Asuka and Natalya. Asuka countered a Sharpshooter attempt with a kneebar. Asuka kicked Natalya and applied an Asuka Lock moments later. Natalya tapped out to give Asuka the submission win.

WINNER: Team Raw in 19:00.

This was what you’d be right to expect. Even at 18 minutes, it still felt rushed with nine eliminations in that time. In the end, Asuka won, but she wasn’t in the match enough where it felt like some kind of showcase for her. Still, she looked good and her being the lone survivor is a talking point for her going forward.

(3) THE MIZ (w/Curtis Axel, Bo Dallas) vs. BARON CORBIN

Miz kissed Maryse, who was at ringside. They showed a clip of Miz cutting a promo on social media about Corbin. He said Corbin is “just another generic big man who will be gone in two years while I’m carrying this show for the next ten and if you ever talk about my pregnant wife again, I’ll knock your (bleeped) teeth down your throat!” The announcers discussed the comment by Miz that Corbin will be gone soon. Graves said Corbin is the future of WWE. Booker said people like Corbin are just flashes in the pan. Corbin took it to Miz early. Corbin slipped under the bottom rope when Miz avoided a slidekick. He stared down Miztourage. Miz kicked Corbin, but Corbin fought back right away and tossed Miz around ringside. Corbin walked up to Maryse and said, “That’s what a real man does.” Miz jumped Corbin for getting near his wife and clotheslined him over the top rope. Miz then went after Corbin at ringside aggressively.

The fast pace continued for several minutes. When Booker began rooting on Miz for his relentlessness and having Miztourage help him, Graves tried to point out how Booker was a stickler for the rules in the Shield-New Day match earlier. Miz slid fo the floor and took a shot at Curtis. Then he beat up Bo in the ring, including an End of Days. Miz rolled up Corbin for a two count. Corbin popped up and kneed Miz in the chest. Miz came back with a kick and a DDT off of Corbin’s knees for a two count. Miz hit a series of Yes Kicks, but Corbin fired back with an End of Days out of nowhere for the three count. Corbin sat up selling his left knee. He stood and limped around. The ref told him to take it easy.

WINNER: Corbin. (**3/4)

-Renee Young interviewed Corbin about scoring the first win for Smackdown Live tonight. Corbin gloated over Miz’s fallen body. “My hand went and your mouth went closed,” he said. He pointed at the fans and said he just shut their mouths too. Boos.

The crowd didn’t really pick sides consistently, but they were into the match. It was fast-paced and well executed. Good move giving Corbin the win as Miz is the type of act who loses and just gets his heat back with promos, whereas Corbin losing to Miz would have defined him down since he’s less established at this point and wins and losses matter more to how he’s perceived.
 

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They announced about 14,000 according to wrestling inc. The arena holds over 18,000 but they may have had it set up for fewer to fit their set and lights and shit.
 

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My buddy sent me a pic of the Detroit crowd with major gaps.
 

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WWE Survivor Series PPV Results: 11-19-17

(4) THE USOS vs. THE BAR (Sheamus & Cesaro) – Battle of Tag Team Champions

The Usos wore their Smackdown Blue and The Bar wore their Raw Red t-shirts. They had an early intense brawl that spilled to ringside, but then the pace settled. Cole said Sheamus looks like Red Rooster, and noted he saw Terry Taylor at NXT Takeover last night. When Booker said Sheamus & Cesaro are called the A-Team, Graves said they’re actually called The Bar. Cesaro yanked onJeey’s leg from ringside, opening up Cesaro to put him in the Cesaro swing into a sharpshooter. Sheamus cut off Jimmy trying to break it up. Jey powered tot he bottom rope to force a break. Rapid-fire sequences followed. Cesaro and Sheamus double-teamed Jey with a power-White Noise. Jimmy broke up the pin. Cesaro put Jey on his shoulders and brought him to Sheamus on the top rope. Jey fought out of it and gave Sheamus a Samoan Drop off the top of Cesaro’s shoulders. That was good for a believable near fall on Shemaus. The crowd applauded and gave the match a “This is awesome!” endorsement chant.

When Cesaro shoved Shemaus out of the path of a double superkick, the Usos double superkicked him. Sheamus went for a Brogue Kick, but Usos ducked and then the Usos gave him a double superkick. Byron said it’s a superkick party. Jey flew over the top rope to hit Cesaro and tagged Jimmy in mid-flight, and then Jimmy landed a top rope splash on Sheamus for the win. Phillips asked, “Who is better in the tag team world than the Smackdown Tag Team Champions the Usos?”

WINNERS: The Usos in 16:00. (***1/4)

Good match. It was pretty methodically paced in the middle, but they built to some nice four-way spots and the finish was innovative with Jey tagging Jimmy as he flew out of the ring to take out Cesaro.

(5) CHARLOTTE vs. NATALYA – Battle of Women’s Champions

Bliss took it to Charlotte a minute in, yanking her hard by her arm off the ring apron. Cole said Bliss is “five feet of fury.” Booker said she’s proving she packs a big punch. Back in the ring Bliss concentrated on Charlotte’s arm. When Charlotte made a comeback, she climbed to the top rope to set up a flip, but Bliss knocked her off balance. Charlotte dropped backwards and got hung upside down in the corner. Bliss dropkicked Charlotte. Bliss hit a nice sequence of moves and scored a near fall. Bliss kicked Charlotte’s arm and then hit Code Red for another near fall.

Charlotte made a comeback, but Bliss soon took over again when she avoided a Charlotte moonsault. Bliss hit a DDT for a two count. Bliss yelled at Charlotte. The crowd chanted “Let’s Go Charlotte / Let’s Go Bliss!” When Charlotte broke free, she speared Bliss. Both were slow to get up. Bliss methodically climbed to the top rope, but Charlotte lifted her knees on impact. Charlotte clutched her sore ribs, but smiled and stood. She then went for the big boot which seemed to come up short, but Bliss bumped on it. Charlotte then applied the Figure-Right. Bliss tapped. That gave Charlotte a 3-2 lead.

WINNER: Charlotte via tapout in 15:00. (**1/2)

They gave Bliss so much offense, it was very likely she was losing because that’s how WWE does things when they want to “protect” the eventual loser. This was good, but nothing more than that.
 

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WWE Survivor Series PPV Results: 11-19-17

(6) A.J. STYLES vs. BROCK LESNAR (w/Paul Heyman)

Lesnar tossed Styles around and outpowered him early. Cole said this is the most focused he’s seen Lesnar since he faced Goldberg at WrestleMania. Booker said Lesnar doesn’t want no water and no bread, just meat. Byron wondered if Styles could absorb this early storm. It’s strange that the first-ever Lesnar-Styles match isn’t ending the show. I guess you add John Cena and Triple H to a match like that and it becomes the main event in WWE. Early on the crowd did a battle-chant of “Let’s Go Styles! / Suplex City!” It came back and intensified after Lesnar’s first overhead suplex of Styles across the ring. Lesnar delivered another suplex. Styles couldn’t even stand up. Graves said the referee might think about calling this off. Lesnar tossed Styles over the top rope to the floor. Lesnar jogged in place. Graves said Styles has never encountered anyone like Lesnar before in his 15 year career. Lesnar threw Styles into a ringside table. Cole said this is why he loves to call Lesnar matches.

Lesnar threw Styles back into the ring. Graves said Styles looks like a child right now. Lesnar threw some running knees into Styles in the corner. He verbally taunted Styles to “come fight.” He ducked two sings by Styles and then caught a kick and clubbed Styles across the chest, knocking him down hard. Heyman patted the WWE Universal Title belt at ringside and was all smiles.

They were at a split screen replay as Styles began to show signs of life with a flurry of punches. Lesnar kneed Styles and dropped him to the mat to cut off the hope spot. Lesnar went for an F5, but Styles slipped free and then avoided a charging Lesnar. He dropkicked Lesnar’s knee and then DDT’d him. Both were slow to get up. Phillips yelled, “A.J. has floored The Beast!” Graves wondered if Styles had anything left. A loud “A.J. Styles” chant broke out. Styles springbaorded off the second rope. Lesnar caught him mid-air. Styles slipped free and shoved Lesnar into the corner and went for a DDT. Lesnar twisted Styles and drove his face into the mat. Ouch. Styles landed a Pele kick as Lesnar began to stand.

Lesnar charged at Styles when he was leaning against the ropes, but Styles ducked and Lesnar spilled to the floor. Heyman looked less confident. Styles slingshot himself onto Lesnar at ringside with a Phenomenal Forearm. Next Styles shoved Lesnar into the ringside steps at ringside. Byron said Styles should go for a countout victory. Cole said Styles wouldn’t settle for that. Styles launched off the ringside steps with a flying forearm. Styles rolled Lesnar into the ring. Lesnar punched Styles. Styles came back with an enzuigiri. He landed a springboard moonsault off the middle role. Styles rolled to the other ring apron and landed a slingshot 450 splash for the first two count of the match. Styles then signaled for the Styles Clash, but Lesnar stood and signaled for the F5. Styles countered with a Calf Crusher mid-ring. Lesnar yelled out in pain. Referee Charles Robinson looked to ringside and was ready to call for the bell. Lesnar, instead, arched over and rammed Styles’s head into the mat three or four times hard. The crowd chanted “This is awesome!”

Lesnar went for an F5, but Styles grabbed the top rope and elbowed Lesnar in the tie of his head. Then he hit the Phenomenal Forearm for a near fall. The crowd popped. Styles leaped at Lesnar, but Lesnar caught him mid-air and hit the F5 for the pin. Lesnar favored his left knee. Byron wondered what meant for the future or Raw if he was injured. Cole said Styles isn’t even moving around, so what could that mean to Smackdown. The announcers immediately went into talking about how great Styles was and how he doesn’t have anything to be ashamed of. Lesnar kept selling his leg convincingly as he went from the ring to ringside. He couldn’t put weight on it and yelled out “shit” and winced in pain. Heyman gave Lesnar his WWE Title belt. Cole said Lenar is still feeling the effects of the Calf Crusher.

WINNER: Lesnar in 15:00. (****1/4)

Well, we didn’t get the 20+ minute epic classic I was hoping for, but that said this was excellent. Lesnar dominated early and then Styles made a spirited and convincing comeback, hitting his key moves. This told a really good story that fit the two wrestlers. The announcers were right in that even though Styles lost, he showed a lot in that match, and it’s not like Styles drawing power comes from being perceived as unbeatable. This was Lesnar’s most multi-dimension match in a long time, and he showed he still has it in him. He sold really well for Styles, including the Calf Crusher long after the match ended, assuming he wasn’t really hurting from something.
 

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WWE Survivor Series PPV Results: 11-19-17

(7) TEAM RAW (Kurt Angle & Finn Balor & Triple H & Samoa Joe & Braun Strowman) vs. TEAM SMACKDOWN (Shane McMahon & John Cena & Shinsuke Nakamura & Bobby Roode & Randy Orton)

Team Raw Order of Entry: Angle, Balor, Joe, Braun, Triple H. Cole said you can’t say Triple H sin’t in ring shape as he wrestled on the recent European tour. Team Smackdown Order of Entry: Shane, Orton, Roode, Nakamura, Cena. The crowd booed in anticipation of Cena’s music, but when the music started, there was an eruption of cheers. His new color is lime green. His t-shirt says “Never Give Up: Earn It.” Cena ran to the ring and slid under the ropes and looked around. Cenadidn’t wear Smackdown t-shirts. Shane wore a Smackdown blue baseball jersey. The announcers noted that Raw and Smackdown are tied and this is the deciding match.

There was a five-on-five staredown before the match. They noted that Braun was staring down Shane. When he turned his back, Shane attacked him. The ref called for the bell. Shane quickly tagged out of the match and Orton entered. Shane looked around bug-eyed. Hunter laughed. Joe tagged in against Orton. Cole said Byron switches quotes around to suit him. Graves said he “suburbanizes them.” Graves said this is the first time Joe and Orton have ever been in the ring together. Cole said that’s what Survivor Series is about – match-ups you never thought you’d see. Joe applied a Coquina Clutch. Orton tossed Joe over his shoulder to escape. Balor tagged himself in. Joe stared him down as he left. Nakamura wanted in. The crowd cheered. Cole said there’s history there. Orton tagged Shinsuke. Crowd pop. Graves said: “The biggest stars to ever make a name for themselves in Japan.”

After some exchanged between Balor and Nakamura, Triple H wanted in. Cole said Triple H is responsible for bringing Nakamura to WWE. Hunter punched away at Nakamura in the corner. He turned his back. Nakamura pounced on him and kneed him in the corner a few times. Hunter shoved him off and then kicked him in the chest. Roode then tagged in and had a staredown. He did his “Glorious” arm gestures. Triple H punched him in the face. Good for him. Booker said,”Some guys have to learn the hard way.” Roode popped up and took it to Hunter. He clotheslined Hunter and scored a one count. Hunter came back with a spinebuster. Cole called it “Vintage Triple H!” Cole said he gets better and better. Triple H then mocked Roode’s “Glorious” routiine and turned it into a suck it crotch chop. Roode came back with a spinebuster of his own. The crowd then chanted “Glorious!” Triple H went for a Pedigree, but Roode blocked it.

Angle tagged himself in. Roode punched away at him. The announcers didn’t acknowledge their relatively recent battles in TNA. New Japan exists, TNA doesn’t, in WWE’s official history. Angle went for an Olympic slam, but Roode escaped. They double-clotheslined each other. Nakamura tagged in and took a quick shot at Braun on the ring apron. Then he kicked Angle a few times and landed a corner splash. He set Angle on the top rope and gave him a running knee. Joe interfered, then Finn ran in. Nakamura got rid of both of them. Triple H then went for a Pedigree, but Nakamura avoided it and kicked Hunter. Angle tagged in Braun. Nakamura ducked Braun and landed a forearm. Nakamura gave Braun a flying knee to the chin off the second rope. Braun came back with a powerslam for the three count.

Elimination: Nakamura. (5-4 Raw advantage)

Roode entered against Braun and hit a blockbuster. Braun kicked out at one. Roode caught Braun with two boots as he charged. Braun avoided a Roode dive and then powerslmmed him for the pin.

Elimination: Roode. (5-3 Raw advantage)

Joe tagged himself in. That led to dissension. Triple H and Angle got into a shoving match. Orton shoved them into each other. Shane went after Joe and chaos broke out. Orton gave Joe a powerslam. Cena played cheerleader as Orton and Cena took control of the ring. Braun then entered the ring and stared down Orton and Cena. Cena gulped. They double-teamed him. Braun shoved them off. They went back. Cena lifted Braun, but Braun battered his back. Orton and Cena shoved Braun through the ropes to the floor. They fought him at ringside. Braun KO’d Cena with a punch, then began taking apart an announce table. The crowd cheered. Cena and Orton recovered and double-teamed Braun. Then went for a suplex. Shane, Nakamura, and Roode helped lift Braun and suplex him through the table. Cole said Roode and Nakamura were supposed to be back in the locker room by now.

Shane then climbed to the top rope to try to elbow Braun below, but Joe met him up there and suplexed him of the top rope into center ring. Joe then went for a Coquina Clutch, but Shane dropped down and tagged in Cena. Joe and Cena went at it, and Cole said this is another match you never thought you’d see. Byron said they back to their “humble beginnings in California.” Joe got the better of Cena. A loud Cena battle-chant broke out. Joe gave Cena a urinage. Balor tagged himself in. Joe and Finn argued. Cena gave Joe an AA. Balor leaped at Cena, but Cena aught him and delivered an AA. Cena then gave Joe a second AA for the win.

Elimination: Joe. (4-3 Raw advantage)

Angle tagged in against Cena. Cole talked about their history. Angle took Cena down. Cena smiled. Cena took Angle down. Cena waved his hand in front of his face. They exchanged punches mid-ring. Cena shoulder tackled Angle twice and then landed a side slam. He bent over and said “You can’t see me.” Angle grabbed Cena’s ankle and applied an ankle lock. Cena powered out a few seconds later, then went for an AA. Angle countered with an Olympic Slam. Shane broke up the cover. Balor landed a Coup de Grace as the ref escorted Shane out of the ring. Angle hit another Olympic Slam and scored the pin.

Elimination: Cena. (4-2)

Balor went to work on Orton, then went to ringside and deliver a quick running dropkick to Shane, sending him hard into the barricade. Balor back in the ring went for a pin, but Orton kicked out. He hit the slingblade and then tried a top rope double stomp. Orton avoided it and hit an RKO out of nowhere for the pin.

Elimination: Balor (3-2)

Triple H entered next and hit Orton from behind with a forearm. For some reason Angle climbed to the top rope. Orton shoved Hunter into the corner and Angle crotched the top rope. Orton gave Hunter a backbreaker. Both were slow to get up. Strowman had been down at ringside for a long time. Orton crawled over to reach to tag Shane, but Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn attacked Shane They threw him over an announce table. Byron asked if for one night they could not be selfish. Shane grabbed a chair and bashed Owens and Sami with it. Owens ended up inside the ring where Orton gave him an RKO. Shane bashed Sami until he rolled up the ramp. Braun returned to his corner and tagged himself in by patting Angle on the skull. Braun approached Orton from behind and then delivered his running powerslam for the pin.

Elimination: Orton (3-1)

Shane watched from ringside. Cole said Shane asked for this when he took over Raw and attacked them. He said now he is going to face the consequences. Shane held a chair and absorbed the situation. A ref yanked the chair out of his hands. He paced at ringside. He took a deep breath and stepped into the ring. Cole said Shane won’t give up, he’ll dig down and do what he has to do to try to win. Triple H tagged himself in. Braun didn’t like that, but he stepped to the ring apron. Shane looked suddenly more confident. Shane danced around a little. Angle then tagged himself in before there was any contact. Cole said it’s captain vs. captain. As Hunter argued with Angle, Shane rolled him him up for a two count. Shane hit a Russian leg sweep for another two count. Shane punched away at Angle, and Angle flat back bumped. Shane scored a two count. And another. Then he hit a DDT and scored another two count. Angle then hit the Angle Slam and applied an ankle lock. Shane yelled in pain and reached for the bottom rope. He held on and fought of tapping but stopped short. Triple H then entered the ring and gave Angle a Pedigree, turning oh his Team Captain. Triple H looked over at Bruan to get his read on his reaction. Shane grabbed at his ankle. He put Shane onto Angle and the ref counted to three.

Elimination: Angle.

Graves wondered if the two brothers-in-law are working together. The crowd didn’t know how to react. Hunter and Braun stared at each other for an extended stretch. Hunter stood next to Shane. Cole said he doesn’t think Shane knows what in the hell is going on. Braun still looked on, tilting his head, trying to figure this out. Triple H bent over and helped Shane up. Graves said a hush fell over Toyota Center. Shane seemed to think Hunter was on his side, but as soon as he let his guard down, Triple H gave him a Pedigree and scored the three count.

Elimination: Shane.

Cole said Triple H played Strowman. Strowman entered the ring and Hunter raised his arm. Triple H was pleased with himself. Triple H’s music played. Cole said Triple H did that because he wanted to be the dominant man in the match. Byron said Hunter played Strowman. Hunter explained to Braun why he did what he did. Braun didn’t seem to buy in, but he did raise Hunter’s arm. Hunter gloated to the fans and circled the ring, but with his back turned to Braun. Braun then grabbed Triple H by his throat and shoved him into the corner. Braun said if he ever crosses him again, he will never play this game again. “Do you hear me?” he said. Hunter went red faced in fear and cowered in the corner. Braun released his grip and turned his back. Hunter went for a Pedigree, but Strowman blocked it and gave Hunter a running powerslam. He let out a roar and the fans roared back and cheered. Hunter got up and Strowman gave him another running powerslam. Then he tore off his t-shirt and left.

WINNER: Team Raw in 33:00.

You aren’t a student of the game if you didn’t think in the end this would revolve around Triple H in the end.
 
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That young up and comer HHH is really going places. I think he's got a bright future in this industry. Whomever booked this show certainly see a lot of potential in that young man who totally didn't just bury pretty much the whole men's heavyweight division on both shows.
 

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That young up and comer HHH is really going places. I think he's got a bright future in this industry. Whomever booked this show certainly see a lot of potential in that young man who totally didn't just bury pretty much the whole men's heavyweight division on both shows.
This is clearly far and away "The Quote of the Day!!!" :buttrock:
 

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It does seem kind of weird to have Angle/Triple H be the top program on WWE programming and not have it be the year 2000.
 

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Joe if you were there, Cole said it was sold out, was it?

Detroit was announced as sold out when it was no where near.

Of what was available, no, not all full, but that's not necessarily "sold out." And yes, they were still advertising tickets as available as of Friday. I've mentioned previously about the crowd on the hard camera side not being as full at other events, but this was better than expected. Survivor Series, otoh, was full af.

They announced about 14,000 according to wrestling inc. The arena holds over 18,000 but they may have had it set up for fewer to fit their set and lights and shit.

Something like that. I wouldn't expect NXT, even a Takeover, to sell out a pro basketball arena, except MSG. The WWE blocks off upper sections accordingly.
 
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What was it, just 5 years ago that Survivor Series Sold out MSG in half an hour.

I didn't even bother to watch this year.
 

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I told y'all Miz would drop the IC title to Reigns. Roman gonna hold the IC and Universal Title at the same time and still not be over.
 

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They should make him a Grand Slam Champion and see if that works.

Women's Belt, here he comes!

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Could soon be time to poorly paste Roman's head on this picture.
 

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Has anybody here tried NJPW world on a legit Fire Stick in the US?
 
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ROH is having a cyber Monday sale where all iPPVs and VODs are half off. This includes the upcoming Final Battle, so if you're planning to order that one you should save yourself some cash and just do it now.

In other news, ROH has averaged 1,120 paid fans per show in 2017 so far, and they've had their top two individual attendances this year as well (Supercard of Honor had 3,500 and Global Wars Chicago averaged 2,500). This is by far the best year they've ever had. They've drawn over 1,000 fans on 19 separate occasions this year.

Women of Honor Wednesday:

Throwback Thursday:

Future of Honor Friday:
 

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There was a time when I was desperately wishing for a Broken Matt Hardy in WWE.

I now no longer want it.

In WWE, the gimmick would be introduced and then quickly squashed by bad writing, bad booking, no screen time and an unwillingness to commit to the bit.

They'd do it to pop the crowd a few times in some hotshot promo spots before Steph and Trips would shit all over it by having Matt job out to boring characters that have absolutely no upside and will always founder beyond the midcard.

Seamus and Cesaro are two pretty good wrestlers that have found life as a tag team. But that is all they will ever be in WWE. Glorified midcarders that get a little shine once in a while.

Matt will get fed to the Shield even though Broken Matt Hardy is a better character than either Rollins or Ambrose will ever be. Or even both of them combined.

They never signed the Hardys with the intention of pushing the Broken gimmick. They hired them because the Hardys were putting eyes on TNA. Broken Matt was, and is, better and more entertaining than any of the shit we're seeing on WWE except for A.J. Styles, who is the best thing in WWE right now. And he's good DESPITE the shit writing because he is the rare example of a talent that you just can't hold down.

WWE has all but killed Bray Wyatt, Finn Balor, Baron Corbin, Charlotte Flair, Bailey, Bo Dallas, Randy Orton (they treat him like a star but what the fuck has he done lately that matters), Gallows and Anderson, Sammi Zayne and even Kevin Owens and driven away stars like Austin Aries and Adrian Neville.

How does WWE fuck up so much unbridled talent? You have to be TRYING to fail on Electronic Arts levels of misery to pull this off.

Right now, I am only impressed with how the Usos are getting over again. Their gimmick feels fresh and they are already pretty much cool 'tweeners right now. I'm really digging what they're doing.

Braun Strohman is proof that WWE fans are ready for more theatrics. I know it's stupid for him to turn an ambulance over on its side but fuck it, at least it gets back to focusing on the characters. If WWE wants to be an attraction again, they need to go back to that circus atmosphere where dead men rose from the grave. Even people like Austin and the Rock were larger than life cartoons that connected with people.

Enzo is over with the fans (still) because his personality is larger than life and it's easy to see and feel both live and on a TV screen. Not every wrestler can be that, but the biggest names in the business have always been people that played well whether you were at the arena or watching at home. And once you have those guys, you need to push them and let them be the stars. Roman Reigns may cut an imposing profile in person but the dude is a charismatic black hole. He;'s the Rock without any of the personality and wearing a flak vest.

Bring back the characters, WWE. Bring back the theatrics. The fans love it and it creates a live spectacle similar to a circus environment. That will add up, over time, to ticket sales AND broadcast interest.
 

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Did you call Sheamus a pretty good wrestler?

Because that's the most incorrect thing anyone has ever said about anything. He's an anchor tied around Claudio's neck.

Bray Wyatt, Braun Strowman, Baron Corbin, Bo Dallas, Randy Orton, the Usos, and Enzo fuckin' suck too. Not a single one of them is good enough to be doing ROH webmatches.
 

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Did you call Sheamus a pretty good wrestler?

Because that's the most incorrect thing anyone has ever said about anything. He's an anchor tied around Claudio's neck.

Bray Wyatt, Braun Strowman, Baron Corbin, Bo Dallas, Randy Orton, the Usos, and Enzo fuckin' suck too. Not a single one of them is good enough to be doing ROH webmatches.

You seem to think I'm talking about pure in ring talent.

I'm talking about something else entirely. I'm talking about making a watchable and entertaining product as a whole. All of these wrestlers possess a charisma that make for compelling television when done right.

You may be a stingy bastard that doesn't want to acknowledge that, and that's perfectly fine. But I don't need for everyone to be capable of putting on a 5 star match on any given night. I'm talking about watching television that keeps me tuned in.
 

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All those guys suck at everything. Ring, mic, character work, everything. Legitimately, I don't know how anyone could enjoy anything they do except maybe when Enzo riles people up.

Randy Orton is technically competent but also ten times more boring than Lance Storm, plus he doesn't give a shit.
 

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All those guys suck at everything. Ring, mic, character work, everything. Legitimately, I don't know how anyone could enjoy anything they do except maybe when Enzo riles people up.

Randy Orton is technically competent but also ten times more boring than Lance Storm, plus he doesn't give a shit.

Yeah, that's not true but whatevs. I know what your bar is as it concerns pro wrestling so it's easy to see why you think that. It's also easy to see that this is already going to be a fruitless discussion with you. I don't say that angrily but I already know how you handle your business around here. Again, this isn't a criticism or me 'taking a shot'. I just know that this will be a waste of both our time.

You think they offer nothing to WWE. I think they offer quite a bit when booked and written properly. We'll just leave it at that.
 

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nah

dey suck bro

anyway, Cody Rhodes and the Young Bucks are all in on ROH apparently
The Young Bucks and Cody Rhodes are planning something big for 2018. Pro Wrestling Sheet has learned the Bullet Club members are in talks with multiple venues to put on a 10,000 seat event.


As you may recall,The Wrestling Observer’s Dave Meltzer tweeted earlier this year saying ROH wouldn’t sell out a 10K seat show “any time soon” and Cody responded saying he’d “take that bet.”

Sources tell us the wrestler has been dedicated to making it happen since, so the trio recently decided to take things into their own hands by self-financing the event — which is tentatively being called “All In” — and things have been rapidly progressing the past few weeks towards an official announcement.

Cody tweeted a photo last weekend showing the group on a scouting mission with Marty Scurll.

We’re told the current front-runner locations for the show are Chicago, London, San Francisco and Ontario, California (where Bullet Club’s WWE invasion took place).

Our sources say Matt Jackson, Nick Jackson and Rhodes are looking to partner with ROH, who they have exclusive domestic contracts with, but it’s unclear if an official deal has been worked out yet.

Cody’s “Spend it Now, Make More Later” catchphrase has never been more appropriate.
via Pro Wrestling Sheet
 
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