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Kushida may be the keystone for NXT Japan, rumors obviously.
 

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Kushida may be the keystone for NXT Japan, rumors obviously.

Some sorry shit, if true, but I get why WWE would do it.

Take a look at what controversy has happened for NXT UK.
 

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ROH Final Battle tomorrow night.

This year ROH bought four hours of PPV time. It doesn't necessarily mean it will go the full 4 hours, and in fact it probably won't. But the match time on recent PPVs hasn't been as long because they have so many acts they try to feature. So instead of trying to cram 7 matches into a 3 hour card, they are putting 9 matches on and they don't care what the runtime is as long as it's over 3 but under 4 hours.

Card

Singles Match:
Kenny King vs Eli Isom

Singles Match:
Zack Sabre Jr vs Jonathan Gresham

I Quit Match:
Flip Gordon vs Bully Ray

#1 Contender's Match for the Ring of Honor World Championship
Marty Scurll vs Christopher Daniels

Fatal Four Way Match for the Women of Honor World Championship:
Sumie Sakai (c) vs Madison Rayne vs Kelly Klein vs Karen Q

Singles Match for Matt Taven's unsactioned "real" Ring of Honor World Championship:
Matt Taven vs Dallton Castle

Singles Match for the Ring of Honor World Television Championship:
Jeff Cobb (c) vs Adam Page

Singles Match for the Ring of Honor World Championship:
Jay Lethal (c) vs Cody Rhodes

Ladder War VII for the Ring of Honor World Tag Team Championship:
SoCal Uncensored (Frankie Kazarian and Scorpio Sky) (c) vs The Young Bucks (Matt and Nick Jackson) vs The Briscoe Brothers (Mark and Jay)
 

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Pretty fantastic card overall for Final Battle. The opener wasn't great. Stage looked a little too big for Eli Isom at this point. He'll be good but he's not there yet.

Cobb vs Page probably match of the night.

Taven took a wicked bump on the guard rail and kept going. He's going to win the World Title in 2019.
 

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WWE TLC PPV Results: 12-16-18

Results courtesy of PWTorch.com (direct link to Keller's real-time report).

(1) CARMELLA & R-TRUTH vs. JINDER MAHAL & ALICIA FOX (w/The Singh Brothers)

Cole exclaimed that this was the first PPV match ever simulcast on Facebook Watch. Truth and Carmella sang Truth’s everlasting song together and got a nice ovation for the duet. They played to the crowd with Sharks jerseys, the local NHL pro hockey team. (Localized brown-nosing doesn’t belong on nationally televised events. It’s counter-productive in 95 percent of the country and comes across as cheap and desperate pandering.)

So a minute into the match Truth scored a two count on a countermove and Joseph said he did it to “win Mixed Match Challenge.” (That seemed an odd choice of wording or very prematurely calling the finish.) When Truth and Carmella cleared the ring of the heels, they broke into a Seven Second Dance Break which the Singh Brother joined in. (Sports Entertainment Amusement Time!!!) Truth and Carmella threw them out of the ring after a few seconds of dancing. Fox then took over on Carmella after that “not keeping the eye on the ball” moment from the “amusing” babyface team. Fox scored a two count with a Northern Lights Suplex. Cole noted how many teams were altered because of injuries, but the finals feature two teams who were together from the start. Carmella and Fox tagged out to Truth and Jinder. Renee noted that Truth “does not age; it’s unbelievable!” Fox put on her Captain’s Hat. Truth took it off and put it on himself. Truth avoided a Fox scissors kick and then Carmella kicked Fox twice and scored a near fall. Carmella then applied her Code of Silence for the quick tapout win.

WINNERS: Truth & Carmella.

Get ready for the skits on TV of what Carmella and Truth do on their “all-expenses paid vacation anywhere in the world.”

(2) THE BAR (Sheamus & Cesaro) vs. THE NEW DAY (Kofi Kingston & Xavier Woods w/Big E) vs. THE USOS – WWE Smackdown Tag Team Title match

All action and good spots throughout as you’d expect, but not real story since it’s a three-way situation with rapid tags. In the end, Sheamus landed a Brogue Kick on Xavier.

WINNERS: The Bar in 12:00 to retain the Smackdown Tag Team titles. (**1/2)

(3) BRAUN STROWMAN vs. BARON CORBIN

Slater began counting as Corbin showboated and confidently counted along with him. Then Strowman’s music played. Baron let out a deep breath and looked worried. Strowman walked out with his right arm in a cast and sling. Corbin signaled the match can’t happen if Strowman is injured like that. Fans chanted “Get These Hands!” Strowman said he forgot to mention something very important. He said in a TLC match, there are no disqualifications. He said that means if somebody wanted to help him, it’d be legal. Apollo Crews showed up at ringside with a chair raised in the air. Crews yelled that Corbin has made his bed. Then Bobby Roode and Chad Gable showed up with chairs in hand, too. Then Finn Balor showed up, chair in hand, on another side of the ring. They all entered the ring. Graves said none of them want to be on the same side of history and it’s completely unfair. He said it’d be a slaughter. Fans chanted, “We Want Angle.” Slater took off his referee shirt and threw it at Corbin and then took the first punch. Everyone surrounded Corbin with chairs, then bashed him with chairs. Corbin fell to ringside. As Corbin walked up the ramp, Kurt Angle showed up and led the crowd in a “You suck!” chant. Corbin charged at Angle, but Angle rammed him with a chair and bashed him over and over until he rolled into the ring. Roode and Gable gave him their finisher. Crews landed a frog splash. Angle then gave Corbin his Angle Slam. Balor closed with the Coup de Grace. Then Strowman entered as Slater put his ref shirt back on. Strowman put his foot on Corbin’s chest and got a three count. Jo Jo said Corbin is no longer the general manager of Raw as a result of his loss.

WINNER: Strowman in 5:00.

(4) NATALYA vs. RUBY RIOTT (w/Liv Morgan, Sarah Lovan)

A couple minutes in, Natalya knocked Liv off the ring apron and knocked her through the table at ringside. She clutched her ribs and weeded in pain. Referees checked on her. Natalya took it to Ruby at ringside. She yelled, “You wanna mess with my family, bitch!?” Then she slapped her hard and set up a table. When Logan got involved, Natalya slammed her through another table. Cole said now it’ll be one on one. Ruby set up the table in the ring that had Jim Neidhart’s life-size image on it. Natalya and Riot battled. Graves said this was as intense and hostile as he expected. Natalya pulled a table out from under the ring and it featured Riott’s life-sized image on it. Natalya smiled like this was some sweet revenge. She slid the table into the ring upside down. She then pullout a jacket worn by her father. She put it on and looked up into the sky. She entered the ring and went back on the attack. She set up the Riott table. Riott had so much time to recover during all of this, she made a predictable comeback (making Natalya look foolish for taking her time). She put Natalya on the table, but Natalya leaped off and slammed Riott’s face into the table. She put Riott on the table, trash-talked her, and climbed the ropes. Natalya again turned her back on Riott when she had barely done anything to slow her down to the point you’d feel safe doing it. Riott went for a rana, but Natalya blocked it and powerbombed her through the table to win. Renee called it a “goosebump moment for Natalya.”

WINNER: Natalya. (*1/2)

Too gimmicky throughout, and Natalya just looked to foolish with how long she took to set up her moves, giving her opponent chance after chance to counter her. Slamming Riott through a table with Riott’s image on it was hardly some amazing revenge. Why would anyone care if they got slammed through a table with their own image on it.

(5) DREW MCINTYRE vs. FINN BALOR

Balor flip dove onto Drew several minutes into the match as Drew dominated early. He threw Drew back into the ring. Drew countered right away with a tilt-a-whirl backbreaker for a near fall. Drew set up Balor for a top rope move. He leaped backwards with a slam for a near fall. Drew went after Balor at ringside, but Balor “trapped” Drew between the ring and the ring draping. Drew fought back and yanked Balor’s leg out from under him. He kneeled and smiled and ten headbutted Balor. Drew threw Balor into the ring. Dolph Ziggler showed up at ringside and superkick Drew. Then he grabbed a chair and charged at at Drew, but Drew kicked the chair into his face. Drew entered the ring with the chair, but Balor dropkicked the chair into Drew as the ref talked to Drew. Balor then landed the Coup de Grace for the win.

WINNER: Balor in 12:00.

(6) RANDY ORTON vs. REY MYSTERIO – Chairs Match

Rey got the better of Orton early at ringside. Rey did his signature slide under the bottom rope with a splash on Orton at ringside, but with a chair under him for extra impact. Orton came back a few minutes later with a snap powerslam for a two count. Orton wedged a chair in the corner of the ring, then grabbed another chair. Graves said it’s almost eerie how calm Orton was. At that point, Rey made a comeback and landed a 619. He climbed to the top rope. Orton knocked him off balance. Orton set up four chairs and went for an RKO, but Rey countered and knocked Orton onto a chair, and then rolled him up with a head scissors takeover for the three count. Orton threw chairs around in frustration.

WINNER: Mysterio. (*3/4)

This was what you should have expected. Methodical pacing as Orton meandered through the match deliberately with bursts of energy here and there with chairs being utilized. It was fine for what it was as a mid-card match.

(7) RONDA ROUSEY vs. NIA JAX – Raw Women’s Title

Rousey ducked a few Jax swings at the start and then bobbed and weaved with a smile on her face. Rousey landed a few round kicks. Jax caught her leg. She swung, but Rousey rolled her up and went for an armbar. Jax used her strength to lift and sitout powerbomb Rousey. Jax headbutted Rousey and went for a legdrop, but Rousey moved. Rousey then applied an overhead chancery. Jax flipped Rousey into the air in a suplex position, but Rousey dropped down onto Jax’s back with a sleeper. She then rolled Jax down with an armbar attempt, but Jax rolled to the floor. Jax held on and swung Rousey into the barricade.

Back in the ring Rousey reversed Jax with a head scissors. Jax charged Rousey in the corner, but Rousey moved and Jax flew through the ropes to the floor. Rousey leaped off the top rope with a crossbody on Jax at ringside. They replayed it in slo-mo. Rousey landed a step-up knee and then a flying right punch for a two count. Both were slow to get up. Rousey climbed to the top rope and leaped off onto Jax. Jax rolled through and lifted Rousey, then gave her a Samoan Drop for a two count. Graves said if Jax hooked her leg and put more bodyweight on her, maybe there’d be a new champion.

Jax splashed Rousey in the corner. Then she lifted her on her shoulders and climbed to the second rope. Graves said Rousey is about to become “the flattest woman on the planet.” Rousey slipped free and powerbombed Jax to the mat for a believable near fall. Rousey signaled for the armbar. Tamina slid into the ring. Rousey went after her and turned her back to Jax. Jax hit her from behind and then swung at her. Rousey blocked it and then flipped her over and applied the armbar for the tapout win.

WINNER: Rousey to retain the Raw Women’s Title. (***)

I liked that quite a bit. I could have done without Rousey turning her back on Jax to go after Tamina, but at least Tamina was entering the ring and not just taunting her. There was drama, believable big spots leading to near falls for both, and a satisfying solid win for the babyface champ.
 

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WWE TLC PPV Results: 12-16-18

(8) Daniel Bryan vs. AJ Styles for the WWE Championship.

Greg Hamilton delivered in-ring introductions for the title match. The bell rang and Bryan rolled to ringside to stall. Bryan returned and then rolled out again. Styles showed frustration while Bryan laughed. Once they got going, Styles threw a dropkick and clotheslined Bryan to ringside.

Bryan went on the offensive for several minutes until he ran into a big clothesline from Styles. Bryan came back and threw several knee strikes and followed up with a suplex around 13:00. Bryan threw a series of kicks, which the fans greeted with “no” chants. Bryan connected with the last kick and covered Styles for two.

Styles caught Bryan with a kick to the head. Styles wrapped Bryan’s leg around the post and slammed his left knee into it twice. Styles returned to the ring and chop blocked Styles, which Phillips pointed out was Styles returning the favor for what Bryan has been doing to him in recent weeks. Bryan fought back and went for a top rope huracanrana, but Styles rolled him from the ropes and went for a Styles Clash, which Bryan avoided.

Styles applied a half crab and stumbled a bit before standing up. Bryan teased tapping out, but eventually slipped out of the hold and applied the LeBell Lock. Styles escaped and they traded pin attempts. Bryan connected with a kick, but Styles performed a Pele Kick. A “this is awesome” chant broke out.

At 20:50, Styles performed a springboard 450 for a near fall. A short time later, Styles applied the Calf Crusher. Bryan teased tapping before rolling over to reach the ropes. Once Styles released the hold, Bryan rolled to ringside and sold leg pain. Styles followed Bryan while fans picked up the “this is awesome” chant again.

Bryan punched Styles and tried to run him into the barricade, but Styles leapt into the timekeepers area, turned around, and performed a Phenomenal Forearm from the barricade. Styles went for a springboard move. Bryan avoided it. Moments later, Styles caught Bryan in an inside cradle, but Bryan rolled it over and scored the clean pin…

Daniel Bryan defeated AJ Styles in 23:55 to retain the WWE Championship.

A terrific match. It was refreshing to see the heel simply win clean rather than by some awful nut shot finish or whatever weirdness they could come up with to avoid having the babyface pinned. Styles lost clean, but they can go back to this match whenever they feel like it and the fans will be invested. In other words, Styles didn’t lose anything despite being pinned clean.

(9) SETH ROLLINS vs. DEAN AMBROSE – WWE Intercontinental Title match

The match began 58 minutes into the third hour, meaning they’re going way past the three hour mark for the PPV portion and into hour five here for those who started with the Kickoff Show. Renee said Dean says he’s been the same all along and it’s the others changed. Graves disagreed with Renee, but she said it’s not her opponent, it’s a conversation she had with him. The crowd was buzzing at the start, but then the methodical pace early with Dean in control calmed them down.

Dean stayed in control for several minutes, eventually getting frustrated that Seth was kicking out of moves that never ever lead to pinfalls. Dean applied a cloverleaf mid-ring. Cole let everyone know that if Seth taps, it’s over. (Breaking news!) After a minute Seth powered his way to the bottom rope to force a break. Seth eventually landed a sling blade and a blockbuster to slow Dean. Seth dove through the ropes and hit his dive twice. Seth favored his knee when he landed, though. Seth climbed to the top rope slowly, but Dean met him up there. They battled. Seth went for a sunset flip off the top rope, but Seth’s knee gave out. Graves said that move led to Seth missing months of ring time. Seth stood and gave Dean a running buckle bomb followed by a two count. (A running buckle bomb is a cool move, but not a very convincing way to sell that you’re knee is hurt.)

They stood and exchanged punches mid-ring. They collided mid-ring with body presses. Things slowed down again until Seth landed a ripcord knee to Dean’s nose for a two count. Seth went for a frog splash, but Dean lifted his knees and scored a near fall. They stood mid-ring. Dean told Seth not to listen to the fans but rather listen to him. Seth was seething and punched Dean. The crowd was just exhausted here. Seth threw Dean into the barricade. Then back in the ring he grabbed Dean’s ears and talked trash. “I did not want this to come to this!” he said. Seth slapped Dean and then charged, but Dean surprised him with a Dirty Deeds for the win. Graves said, “Were going to have a new champion.” And there was an actual pin and an actual new champion.

WINNER: Ambrose in 25:00 to capture the IC Title. (**1/2)

Too long, too slowly paced for the intensity of this feud, and Seth continually selling his knee, doing a move unnecessarily painful to his knee, and then selling his knee again over and over got old and made him seem like he’s not so bright. Wrestling events are getting too long, and it’s not fair for wrestlers who are trying to carve out their space on these bigger canvases and the crowd is exhausted and their matches which otherwise might seem epic just seem laborious and self-indulgent.
 

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WWE TLC PPV Results: 12-16-18

(10) BECKY LYNCH vs. CHARLOTTE vs. ASUKA – TLC Match

The bell rang half way into the fifth hour of the show since the Kickoff portion began. Graves said in a Triple Threat match there are often short-term alliances, but that might not be the case with Lynch who has made enemies with everyone on the roster. Becky and Asuka battled one-on-one after knocking Charlotte out of the ring early. Charlotte came back at Becky with a fallaway slam and a kip up. Fans “wooo’d” with her. Becky slid a table in the ring early. Charlotte stomped on the table, which reverberated onto Becky who fell down at ringside.

A minute later Asuka threw Becky off the top rope onto a ladder in the ring. Asuka set up a ladder. She took her time, as noted by Phillips. Then she climbed, but Charlotte caught up with he and knocked her off of it. Charlotte then climbed, but Asuka yanked her down. When Charlotte climbed again, Asuka powerbombed her off and through a table leaning in corner. Charlotte came up a bit short of the middle of the table which has the most give and her head hit the table in addition to her back and shoulders. She clutched her head like she was hurt. The ref checked on her.

Asuka then knocked Becky off the ring apron with a hip attack. Charlotte hit Asuka with a chair. Charlotte climbed to the top rope and set up the moonsault that looked good. Her arms hit Asuka and Becky and then both took basically phantom bumps. Graves sold it as “precise.” After Charlotte set up a table, Becky got up and bashed Charlotte across her back with the chair. She hit Asuka repeatedly with the chair. The crowd wasn’t responding at first. When she looked around the arena, she got some response. Charlotte then attacked her and threw her into the ringside barricade.

Charlotte went after Becky and threw her onto the announce table. Becky jabbed Charlotte with a chair and then put her on the table next to Asuka. Becky climbed to the top and leaped off. Asuka moved, but Charlotte didn’t, and the landing looked stiff on impact on Charlotte’s mid-section. The table collapsed. Charlotte cried out in agony as fans chanted “Holy sh–!” The ref checked on Charlotte who groaned in pain, but was moving around. They replayed it from two angles.

Back in the ring Asuka climbed the ladder, but like she was crawling in the desert toward a mirage of water. Becky climbed the opposite side and met her at the top. Charlotte entered and smashed Asuka and Becky with a kendo stick repeatedly. Charlotte climbed the ladder, but stopped to hit Asuka as Asuka began to return to the ring. She went to ringside and bashed Asuka with the stick. She yelled, “It’s my title. It’s mine!” Becky then came up to Charlotte and gave her a Becksploder Suplex. Asuka then went wild with the kendo stick on Becky. Asuka yelled to the crowd and got some cheers, but then Charlotte speared Asuka into the security barricade. “Holy hell!” yelled Phillips. “Charlotte Flair just obliterated Asuka!”

Becky entered the ring and climbed the ladder and reached for the belt. She was just short. Charlotte jumped into the ring and yanked her down. Charlotte said in a crazed way, “I need more!” Becky said she’s the champ and The Man and she’s staying that way. They went at it mid-ring. Becky threw Charlotte face-first into the ladder, then mounted her with punches. They rolled to the floor. The Spanish announcers got nervous and leaped over the barricade into the crowd for safety. Charlotte put Becky on the table and said a Man always bows down to a Queen. “I’m the Woman!” she shouted. Charlotte shoved a table over in the ring and then climbed to the top rope. She leaped off the top rope with a moonsault onto Becky, smashing them through the table. Both were slow to get up.

Everyone was slow to get up. Charlotte got up first. She entered the ring and set up the ladder and climbed. Asuka met her at the top. Charlotte told her to stay down. Charlotte got her hand on the belt, but Asuka punched away at her. Becky brought another ladder into the ring and she climbed that one. Charlotte knocked Asuka down. Becky and Charlotte met on the second ladder to the side of the belt, out of reach. As they fought, Rousey tipped over the ladder. Then she walked away to boos from the crowd, swinging her shoulders with a cocky swagger. With Becky and Charlotte both down, Asuka climbed the ladder and grabbed the belt to become new champion.

WINNER: Asuka in 25:00 to capture the Smackdown Women’s Title. (****1/4)

Really good match, best of the night. A really good version of a TLC match. The Rousey interference is an escape hatch from having anyone “lose” this match under normal conditions with a big angle attached to it, which is whether that counts as a heel turn or not. The crowd wasn’t happy with her.
 

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They should have Dixie Carter manage EC3. She could just be herself. That was draw some heat on him.
 

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I like how the McMahons admitted their product is terrible on live television, then blamed an on-screen character for it and said they'd fix it by taking control of the product themselves. Because they already control the product.
 

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I like how the McMahons admitted their product is terrible on live television, then blamed an on-screen character for it and said they'd fix it by taking control of the product themselves. Because they already control the product.

Smark.
 

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I like how the McMahons admitted their product is terrible on live television, then blamed an on-screen character for it and said they'd fix it by taking control of the product themselves. Because they already control the product.

I also "enjoyed" that.

It would be like Dominoes admitting that thier pizza sauce is terrible and then blaming it on the franchisees.
 

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So is All Elite Wrestling really gonna be a thing?
 

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So is All Elite Wrestling really gonna be a thing?

Either that, or it is part of the most elaborate work of all time.
Possibly one step ahead of Chicara pro having wrestling students go to fans houses as private investigators for a storyline company .
 
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BJ Whitmer has left Ring of Honor.

He had been working full time in the office as well as part time as a producer and commentator after retiring from the ring last year.

He is upset that ROH opposed him going to the WWE Performance Center as a guest trainer.

Shitty situation.

On the one hand, Whitmer is one of the guys whose blood built ROH. Been there since 2003. So you'd think he'd have a little leeway.

But at the same time, you can understand why ROH doesn't want its employees training its competitor's wrestlers.

Hopefully there is some reconciliation at some point. If there's ever an ROH Hall of Fame, Whitmer deserves to be there.
 

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So is All Elite Wrestling really gonna be a thing?

Yeah because all they need to do is divide the independent wrestling scene ever more. They seem to forget that ROH helped them a ton with both AllInn and the Jericho cruise set up and it wasn't all them. If they don't are not going to WWE at least they could work the MSG show for Joe Koff.
 

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That show is already sold out anyway. Might as well feature talent that is signed long term at your biggest show ever if you're ROH.
 

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Impact has found a network even smaller than Pop.

Starting in January Impact is moving to Pursuit Channel, which is a tiny hunting-focused channel I don't even get.

It's owned by Anthem, Impact's parent company, so it's safe to say no other networks offered them anything close to a good deal.

Also, they are moving to Friday nights. That will put them head to head with both Smackdown on Fox and MLW Fusuin on BeIn Sports.

Seems odd that a channel owned by Impact's parent would put them head to head with not one but two other promotions.

I would speculate that they are just burning off episodes until their lucrative Indian TV deal expires, then they'll close it up and sell the video library to Vince or Sinclair
 

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Got tickets this morning for the New Japan New Beginning's Show in Charlotte. Even if most of the big stars will not be there, I'm beyond psyched to be able to go a NJPW show within driving distance.
 

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I'm debating on going to the Royal Rumble next month at Chase Field. NXT, RAW and Smackdown will be next door at Talking Stick Arena. $20 for the nosebleeds on the right field seats.
 

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I'm debating on going to the Royal Rumble next month at Chase Field. NXT, RAW and Smackdown will be next door at Talking Stick Arena. $20 for the nosebleeds on the right field seats.

Takeovers are fun, but short, even with dark matches.
 

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Got tickets this morning for the New Japan New Beginning's Show in Charlotte. Even if most of the big stars will not be there, I'm beyond psyched to be able to go a NJPW show within driving distance.

Glad to see someone else was able to get tickets also. Charlotte is going to be a hot bed for wrestling the first of next year with Ring of Honor, NJPW, and WWE in town just weeks apart.
 
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