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GohanX said:

I'm going to have to watch those Bryan matches later and see what the fuss is about.

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God damn! Bryan is good. really good.

Moon Jump said:

Once again showing why Paul E should rule the whole thing. I hate to use the saying from Tommy Boy but, he could sell a ketchup Popsicle to a woman wearing white gloves. He has that way of talking that just turns everything around. I also liked that it was done on a set with just the three of them and not in an arena with all the riffraff yelling shit at them as he was trying to get his point across. They should really do more of these interviews and stuff outside of the ring and nix the whole crowd if they want to sell stuff like this. I'm still not happy with the main event, but he sold it so much better then Vince ever could.

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As it regards the main event, I am of the same mind as you. I'm not really digging a Reigns/Lesnar main event at 'mania. Not yet.

What the Heyman/Reigns/Lesnar promo above did was it made me take some interest in Roman Reigns. He has a wrestling history that only a smark would really care to pay attention to. And it's a fascinating series of family relations throughout the history of WWE. It makes him interesting because of the many people he's related to that are important to the WWE's past. And now the WWE has acknowledged that to the fans in a very straightforward fashion.

I'm not saying that Reigns should lean on all of that. He still has to prove he deserves the spot he's been given. But this gives him a story other than 'former Shield big man'. HE can really distance himself and create a new persona for himself if they let him.

Also, he needs to drop the 'Believe That' line. It's stupid, it feels like someone wrote it for him every time he says it and it just comes off as weak. In fact he shouldn't even try to force a catchphrase right now. And he should ditch the crowd entrance, too. He just gets lost in that crowd every time and takes away from his size and presence as he enters the ring.

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They should also have REigns pound the living shit out of John Cena on television or the next PPV.

The whole thing makes me wonder what would have happened if Ro didn't get sidelined for a few months. I wonder if they would have had him go for the IC belt or maybe take on Rusev's undefeated streak and take the US title before throwing him right into the HWC spotlight. I'd much rather have had him take out Rusev's streak then feeding him to Super Cena because of a backstage interview that happened over after the PPV only on the Network, which most people dropped off after the ending.

I listened to Vince Ruso's free podcast review of the event and I agreed with some of what he said. (He said Ro should have flipped the fans off. Um...TV PG?) But he said he shouldn't have had it with Show and Kane in the final four because EVERYBODY knows there's not a snowball's chance in hell that either of them would be headlining the biggest event of the year. You could have kept Bray in, Cesaro and BNB to challenge him. But I guess Vince just goes by pure size will only make Roman look strong so he had the biggest bad guys in.

I also wonder what would have happened if C.M Punk didn't spill the beans about them wanting to put everything on Roman's shoulders. Now everyone knows they want him out in the limelight to the fact that Vinny Mac's even writing his shitty promos. It's going to be interesting tonight to see what their going to do with all this extra time they would have to write up something. Knowing Vinny it'll be the same shit, but I wonder how a different crowd will react. Since we're still on the east cost I think their might be some people in the crowd that'll be hot but it won't be like if they went to some podunk town that just chants along and boos when their told to like sheep.

Yeah, that was what I was thinking regarding Reigns, Bigshow and Kane. Everybody knows that outcome.

If they wanted to at least keep it interesting, and get me to suspend my disbelief that the scripted outcome would be Reigns, they should have had it come down to Reigns, Cesaro and Wyatt. Maybe a Ziggler too (since he has been pushed pretty hard lately). Because then, I could at least hope for a second that it wouldn't be reigns.

I don't think CM punk spoiled anything. Everybody has know that Reigns was going to be the "New Hulk Hogan" before he got injured. I think the real problem with the Reigns push to the top is that they should have put it off until Summerslam/WM 32 as there just wasn't enough time to do a real push. It was too much, too fast.

To do that type of push, you have to have him squash every heel on the roster, and a few top babyfaces along the way. Give him an impressive move (might I suggest a piledriver) that the crowd will pop hard for. What is Reigns finisher anyways? Does he still do that power slam that he did with the shield (where Ambrose/Reigns would hold up the opponent)? I only remember seeing the spear and the big kick from the floor to an opponent on the apron (which is a heel move btw). Also, get guys to heel-sell for him. Not just sell moves, but have them beg him to stop (classic Ric Flair) beating the ever loving shit out of them.

norton9478 said:

What is Reigns finisher anyways?

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The Jumping Kick from the outside of the ring
Spear
Superman Punch
and a really shitty Samoan Drop...He should take a que from his family on this one...but I doubt he can do this on larger guys they want him to fight.

Smackdown was pretty shitty. HHH comes out to open..just like Raw but the only difference is the big tease won't be announced until Monday's Raw which was like telling me just turn the damn thing off until the very end when it's D-Bry and Kane with the casket match and that sucked because of all the damn commercial breaks. They want to make Roman "look strong" so they have him go up against Show....AGAIN. I'm going to count the number of times they have Roman go up against either Show or Kane leading up into 'Mania. My god, even the people cheering Reigns where board out of their minds with this one. Show really needs to hang it up, screw if his contact says three more years. He's just so damn slow and you can't do anything with him. The only thing I liked is that the show was only two hours long. They still had filler because they wanted people to stay on Sci-Fi for Wizard Wars so they had a skit but since it had Mizdow in the mix, I was fine with it.

on the Super Bowl Halftime show:

BamBam for HOF 2015!

Just found out that one of the local cable station's here in the NY area, WLNY TV 55 plays PWS Wrestling at 4:30 AM on Saturdays. Yeah, four in the morning. At least when MSG aired ECW Hardcore TV they showed it at midnight. So I've got the DVR set to check them out. Not sure how they are. I'd rather go in cold and not read up about them online to see who's in it and whatnot.

So the big announcement tonight... Torch thinks it will be something along the lines of Rowan stealing Axel's spot, Rusev's weird ending, Kane and Show coming back into the match, and Rock helping Reigns. Basically, there was a bunch of wonky shit that happened that now they might use to say something like "Reigns' win doesn't stand unless he can win X match."

I could see Reigns vs. Axel vs. Show vs. Kane vs. Rusev and/or Bryan or Ziggler or Ambrose (one of the top three faces gets in somehow), and the match ending with a double pin, double tap out, or whatever else to get a third guy in the main at WM. At least I hope that's what's up.

Roman Reigns is a joke, I've been saying it from day one. How can these "professional" athletes not get professional wrestling is beyond me.

jro said:

So the big announcement tonight... Torch thinks it will be something along the lines of Rowan stealing Axel's spot, Rusev's weird ending, Kane and Show coming back into the match, and Rock helping Reigns. Basically, there was a bunch of wonky shit that happened that now they might use to say something like "Reigns' win doesn't stand unless he can win X match."

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I stand by my last comment of counting the number of times their going to make Ro go up against Kane and or Show leading up to Wrestlemania. It's gonna suck.

One of the things I saw on WTTV News today was saying Ziggy and D-Bry are starting up a Twitter feud to see about having a match with the two of them at Wrestlemania. While I'd rather see both of them headlining the show for the strap I'd much rather see the two of them tear the house down at Mania.

What'd I tell you?! Another damn Roman and Big Show match. My God, get some new heels.

There has to be a Reigns turn tonight, right?

Perfect chance for it, have Bryan go over Rollins and then Reigns beats Bryan down afterward. Makes the Fastlane match better, and instantly revitalizes Reigns' character. Lesnar has been working tweener lately, so the possibility of Reigns going to WM as a heel still is there.

Tonight's RAW has tried very hard to be 'Royal Rumble 2015: The Apology.'

Vince probably hates the fact that his chosen guys aren't as over as the more legit workers get routine chants of 'This Is Awesome!'

Which, of course, means he'll continue to force his shit on us because he can't handle someone else telling him how to run his company.

The WWE Universe isn't willing to be molded by you, Vince. You should appreciate their unwillingness to conform. Reward it, even.

Taiso said:

Tonight's RAW has tried very hard to be 'Royal Rumble 2015: The Apology.'

Vince is probably hates the fact that his chosen guys aren't as over as the more legit workers get routine chants of 'This Is Awesome!'

Which, of course, means he'll continue to force his shit on us because he can't handle someone else telling him how to run his company.

The WWE Universe isn't willing to be molded by you, Vince. You should appreciate their unwillingness to conform. Reward it, even.

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And that is why Kevin Dunn will say you're overrated like those NXT people

Trey Burnout said:

And that is why Kevin Dunn will say you're overrated like those NXT people

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No way, did he really say that about NXT fans? Or was he talking about the workers?

Did anybody else happen to check out Austin's interview with HHH? Austin started right off by saying how hot the crowd was in Philly, totally skipping over the way they presented it on TV saying they did it over because The Rock came in but HHH said "Kayfabe is dead." So they have to do things differently. Then he was asked if that Chyna should be in the HOF but if his kid looks her up on the internet the porn flicks will be the first thing that comes up...meanwhile Sunny's in and she had nude photos up since the early 2000's. So yeah... Let the "original diva" who ruined her life with drugs and posed nude but not the first woman who competed in the Royal Rumble and held the IC title because she did porn as well then say it's not because of personal issues...

Even though D-Bry won tonight I doubt their going to have him go over at Fastlane. The Colorado crowd SUCKED but you did hear some peppered in boos for both Roman and Bryan. It wasn't as clear cut as it was in Philly and even on Smackdown on Thursday when they did boo Roman when he came out..and keeping to have him run matches with Big Show isn't going to help anything.

Yeah, Reigns is still going to main event WM in 99 out of 100 scenarios. Bryan is most likely a win for Reigns to try to enhance his credibility, though booking the match a month ahead of time also gives Hunter and Vince a chance to consider options- Bryan could go over if Reigns just absolutely can't win the crowd (i.e. starts getting Batista reaction), and Bryan gets louder cheers than ever. But that booking strikes me as highly unlikely.

Re: Sunny vs. Chyna- there are a lot of Divas that have done Playboy, but Chyna's the only one in true porn. I can kind of understand the distinction, though at the same time, you're right, it seems like her past w/ Hunter and Waltman can't be helping.

Curious to see if Wyatt goes over 'Taker at WM. Seems like 'Taker would be the type to pass the torch per tradition, but he also already basically did that... Seems like he should job one more time, and then officially retire.

edit: the undercard is going to be a lot better than the main at Mania, at least IMO, especially with Lesnar leaving. Rollins/Orton should be fantastic, Miz/Sandow should be fun, and the slight possibility of Rusev beating Cena makes that match worth watching. And then Bray/Taker and Hunter/Sting makes for a pretty solid set of matches. I'd throw the Divas on my good list if I didn't think they'll pull what they did last year- Paige will retain at WM (after beating Nikki this month), and then she'll lose the title to and start a program with Charlotte the next night. Oh, and Bryan vs. either heel Sheamus or Ziggler will also be awesome. Too bad the main is going to be so shitty.

Taiso said:

No way, did he really say that about NXT fans? Or was he talking about the workers?

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He said it about the workers then said that's why you can't trust the NXT fans

Yes, Kayfabe (IE heels and faces) is dead. Paul Heyman has been saying this for years that it should be about taking interesting characters and putting them together in matches that pique the public's interest.

I don't have a problem with Reigns being "The Guy". He is as good as anybody for that role. All being "the guy" does is limit your wrestling time, limit your move-set and corporatize your character. I don't know about you guys, but I would much rather see a WM match between Daniel Bryan and Dolph Ziggler than Daniel Bryan and Brock Lesnar.

As for Reigns, the problem is that the build was rushed. He should be running rampant over the entire heel and babyface roster. He should be manhandling John Cena and not taking an unclean loss to the Big Show.

I like the Trips interview more then the one with Vince, the issue with Chyna is weird as TNA dropped her because of the porn issue but I figure this is another "can't give canon fodder to those who would point this out to knock Linda's governmental aspirations.

I liked that he talked about that in NXT they do have writers but the wrestlers also have a hand in who their character is from looks to promos which is obvious when you look at Balor and Banks( damn it Trips she better when that title next week ), this and his interactions with Banks/Charolette/Bliss during that Wrestlemania special that he took getting NXT to heart and is invested in that roster and unlike some fans doesn't see indy experience as a hindrance( this point is driven home with Zayn/Owen/Balor/Baylee/Banks being the most over )

I do remember when it broke he legit married Steph folks acted like everything he did was because he's banging the boss's daughter which back then I'd agree with the angry crowd as Trips was on tv 24/7 in damn near every angle but now I'm like hey you can't help it if you dig someone who also works at your job. I also grew with him that it was best for business( lolz ) that he was being punished and didn't win KOTR and Austin got it and history was made

norton9478 said:

Yes, Kayfabe (IE heels and faces) is dead. Paul Heyman has been saying this for years that it should be about taking interesting characters and putting them together in matches that pique the public's interest.

I don't have a problem with Reigns being "The Guy". He is as good as anybody for that role. All being "the guy" does is limit your wrestling time, limit your move-set and corporatize your character. I don't know about you guys, but I would much rather see a WM match between Daniel Bryan and Dolph Ziggler than Daniel Bryan and Brock Lesnar.

As for Reigns, the problem is that the build was rushed. He should be running rampant over the entire heel and babyface roster. He should be manhandling John Cena and not taking an unclean loss to the Big Show.

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This, to me, is exactly right- the build that Rusev has had is the one Reigns should have gotten. No losses and he comes across as a legit badass monster- Rusev would be seen as a real threat in a title match by casual fans. I assume that he'll ultimately get a feud with Reigns sooner than later (for the title, I mean), but the thing is, Rusev's push shows that creative can handle a guy when they want to.

Trey Burnout said:

I do remember when it broke he legit married Steph folks acted like everything he did was because he's banging the boss's daughter which back then I'd agree with the angry crowd as Trips was on tv 24/7 in damn near every angle but now I'm like hey you can't help it if you dig someone who also works at your job. I also grew with him that it was best for business( lolz ) that he was being punished and didn't win KOTR and Austin got it and history was made

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Levesque is actually a really good guy to take over the company, IMO. He seems to care about the wrestlers more than Vince does, and he also seems to understand the side of the business where you're supposed to entertain people better than Vince does.

Keller has speculated repeatedly that he may well have taken on a top-ranking role in the front office even if he didn't marry Steph, since he's always been interested in creative and the business side of things and he's gotten so good at them.

Great main event last night.