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Maybe off topic but interested to see what TNA are going to bring to the table when they debut on Jan 7th on destination America. Looks like they are having a revamp of the show. Hopefully being on a network that promotes them better than spike they will go back to their roots and put out some better tv, time will tell.

From what I've seen in the new look, and comments by dixie.... They finally get it. They have to create a WWE alternative. They have to grow an audience. They have to define for themselves (and the audience) what professional wrestling IS. Being on a smaller network will help as the bigger networks all "know" what wrestling is... And that is the WWE model. And that is what they expect.

If you notice, the new logo features the six sided ring. That right there is a good start. While the six sided ring has it's drawbacks, it does one thing in that it sets itself aside. Someone flipping the channels might see it and say "What is this?" as it looks more like the octogon.

But I am sure they will fuck it all up. They let Hogan run the show. And Hulk Hogan has never made a dime for anybody not named Bollea.
 

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From what I've seen in the new look, and comments by dixie.... They finally get it. They have to create a WWE alternative. They have to grow an audience. They have to define for themselves (and the audience) what professional wrestling IS. Being on a smaller network will help as the bigger networks all "know" what wrestling is... And that is the WWE model. And that is what they expect.

If you notice, the new logo features the six sided ring. That right there is a good start. While the six sided ring has it's drawbacks, it does one thing in that it sets itself aside. Someone flipping the channels might see it and say "What is this?" as it looks more like the octogon.

But I am sure they will fuck it all up. They let Hogan run the show. And Hulk Hogan has never made a dime for anybody not named Bollea.
I am not a fan of Dixie Carter- she's clueless, IMO. Her interview on Grantland was interesting, but she showed how she had no clue that she was losing the battle. Just defiant, rather than willing to face facts.

She also does indeed have an awful track record as far as who she puts in charge of booking. The Hogan thing was exhibit A, and as of right now, they still are just so bad with the misogyny (WTF with the powerbomb on Dixie from Bully Ray through the table? She literally broke her back on that, not good), they hardly ever push the right people (how hard is this- you LEAVE THE BELT ON LASHLEY FOR GOD'S SAKE and you don't job Broadus Clay in his first match), and they turn people so fast it's nuts.

Christie Hemme is in creative, I mean c'mon.

I don't know, I like a lot of their talent- EC3, Bram, Aries, Roode, Manik, Kenny King, all great to watch (get Bram out of those damn hardcore matches, please). I just can't help but think yeah, they're always gonna find a way to fuck it up, like you said.

edit: I could see one good reason for taking the belt off of Lashley, I admit, and it's if they were going to use Roode as a transition champ to put the title on MVP like they had originally planned to do before he got hurt, and then have him (MVP) feud with Lashley. But that doesn't look like the plan.
 
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THey took the belt off of Lashley and put it on Roode?

That might make it worth watching. I really like Roode. Though he was better (awesome) as a heel.
 

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Still better to have TNA around for the wrestling business in general, the more competition the better. Sure they make plenty of mistakes but so do the wwe. Hopefully with a new network that supports them they will put out some decent matches.
 

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Roode being the champ is great but in my opinion TNA needs to do a complete overhaul and start over from scratch. Do tournaments for every belt and let it go from there. Bring it in as a completely revamped in every way show and basically disavow all that they had going on Spike. And NO MATTER WHAT do NOT let Dixie appear on tv. Fresh show, new show, WWE Alternative and not Lite. It works for ROH and if TNA with their much smaller budget can get some of the top indy guys out there who knows what could happen. I was NOT a fan of the Spike product but if the can 180 what they had from there they might be able to get something. I'll watch but then I never even knew I had the channel it'll be showing on until after the announcement but after looking VERY deep in my channel list on Cox cable that's going to make it tough for them to get a lot of exposure.
 

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WWE RAW Results: 12-15-14

Results courtesy of PWTorch.com (direct link to Caldwell's complete report). Condensed here like the can of milk in the supermarket.

23 minutes of Jericho, Heyman, Rollins and Cena. Need I say more? They said plenty...

1 -- IC champion CHRIS JERICHO & ERICK ROWAN vs. BIG SHOW & LUKE HARPER

The wrestlers sported a few bandages and athletic tape to serve as "selling the effects" of TLC matches last night. Cole relayed Ziggler's same speech after previous IC Title wins that he is determined to make the title mean something. Ziggler started the match, but Show knocked him out of the ring with a big shoulder tackle. On the floor, Show drove Ziggler into a barricade to continue taking advantage of Jericho being hurt from TLC. Jericho made it back into the ring just before a ten count, then Cole sent the show to commercial.

Back from break, Harper was working on Ziggler. Enter Big Show to drop an elbow for a nearfall. As Show slowed the pace, WWE went to a split-screen photo gallery from Ziggler vs. Luke Harper in the IC Title ladder match last night. Ziggler finally broke free on Harper and tagged in Rowan, who ran over his former Wyatt teammate. Rowan hit a Full Nelson Slam on Rowan, then the action broke down.

Ziggler and Harper fought to the floor, then Ziggler clotheslined Harper over the announce table. Back in the ring, Show waited for Rowan to turn around, then he promptly dropped him with the KO Punch. Show pinned Rowan for the win as everyone recovered on the floor.

WINNERS: Show & Harper at 9:59. Well, Big Show is being kept strong for Roman Reigns and Rowan is apparently expendable right now. For a character that has a 143 IQ, he's not very bright with his match strategy against Show. And, oh yeah, there was Dolph Ziggler quickly moved to after-thought status.

2 -- BELLA TWINS (Divas champion NIKKI BELLA & BRIE BELLA) vs. ALICIA FOX & NATALYA (w/Tyson Kidd)

Back from break, Natalya and Alicia Fox were in the ring and the bell sounded. Nikki quickly smashed Natalya off the ring apron right in front of Kidd, then Fox tried to fight back on behalf of Natalya. Brie and Natalya tagged in, so Natalya shoved Brie into Nikki on the ring apron. Nattie followed with the Sharpshooter on Brie for a tap out.

Post-match, Kidd was ringside checking on Nikki, then Natalya spotted Kidd tending to Nikki ringside. Kidd got caught, so he quickly scampered back into the ring to over-hype Natalya as the winner.

WINNERS: Natalya & Fox at 2:06.

Highlight Reel with Jericho starring Rusev and Ryback.

3 -- NEW DAY (BIG E. & XAVIER WOODS w/Kofi Kingston) vs. RHODES BROS. (GOLDUST & "STARDUST" CODY RHODES)

Xavier had the assignment tonight, sending Kofi to the announce table to address JBL's cynical questions about them hiding something being too happy. Kofi said they are all about positivity and having a good time in the ring. Kofi flipped it on JBL, asking why he's so mad when he lives in Bermuda. In the ring, Cody flew into Big E.'s arms for a power move. Xavier tagged in to continue working on Cody as the focus was on Big E. sweating a lot. Cole acted serious asking Kofi if he's talked to Big E. about the problem. New Day cleared the Rhodes Bros. to the floor, which sent Raw to break.

Back from break, Cole said they're "having a blast" at ringside with Kofi. In the ring, Big E. was selling and taking a beating from the Rhodes Brothers. Kofi kept the focus on the match, where Big E. prepared to make a comeback, but he walked into a spinebuster from Goldust for a two count. Back to the Rhodes Bros. working over Big. Kofi tried to make the TV audience care about Big E. making a comeback, but the live crowd was disinvested, chanting for C.M. Punk. Then, "NXT." JBL embraced the chant by noting Big E. is a former NXT champion.

Big E. finally broke free and smashed Cody with a clothesline. "Yes!" Kofi exclaimed. "C'mon, baby!" Big E. crawled across the ring and tagged in Xavier after Goldust tagged in for Cody. Xavier delivered offense to boos, then scored with a rolling clothesline. But, Cody provided a distraction that allowed Goldust to powerslam Xavier to a crowd pop and a nearfall. The vocal portion of the audience has turned on the face team after turning on the match.

After the Rhodes Bros. found themselves on the floor, Xavier flew over the top rope with a splash to both brothers. Back in the ring, Big E. tagged in to combine with Xavier for their combination Midnight Hour. Kofi excitedly said they got this as Big E. scored the win. JBL said that made him sick. He said they're hiding something.

WINNERS: New Day at 13:31. I took this more as the crowd rejecting WWE's mid-card than the New Day act, itself. Although, an argument could be made that the vocal males turned on New Day because it's a one-dimensional act on the road to being nauseating.

4 -- KANE vs. ADAM ROSE (w/The Rosebuds)

Rose held control early on, but Kane cut him off and the crowd somewhat cheered. Kane wanted a chokeslam on Rose, but The Bunny hopped into the ring, so Kane delivered a double chokeslam. The vile heel, Kane, pinned Rose as Lawler chuckled on commentary. That about captured the tone of this. Kane wasn't done, though, as he grabbed The Bunny and gave the mascot a Tombstone to "Yes!" chants. Kane took off, then Rose rolled back into the ring to check on The Bunny. Ringside, the announcers laughed it up.

WINNER: Kane at 1:27. Seriously, what tone does WWE want for this? Just happy fun time where it doesn't matter if the audience is supposed to like Rose and dislike Kane, or vice versa? Hard for Kane to benefit anyone as a monster to be conquered if he's positioned as the likable figure in a joke match.


5 -- CHRIS JERICHO vs. PAUL HEYMAN -- Street Fight

Heyman accepted his fate, then said he'll prove he's not the guy they portray him as on TV. After all, he doesn't understand why Jericho wants to get in a fight with ... Brock Lesnar. After a pause, Lesnar's music played to bring out the WWE World Hvt. champion returning to Raw with eyes on Jericho. Heyman confidently looked toward the ring entrance as Lesnar made his way down to the ring before circling the ring. No sign of the title belt, by the way, which was kind of fitting.

Lesnar circled all the way around the ring, then bounced up and down ringside. Lesnar, dressed in track pants and a new sleeveless t-shirt, hopped into the ring before going face-to-face with Jericho. No sign of Cena. Jericho tried to strike first, but Lesnar shook him off, shook off a Codebreaker attempt, and dropped Jericho with an F5. Lesnar proudly stood over Jericho with Heyman by his side, then the pro-Cena fans picked up a "Cena, Cena" chant. Instead, Lesnar's music played and he bailed with Heyman following close behind.

WINNER: No match. It's going to be odd to see Cena later in the show when he had a chance to run out during this segment to get his hands on Lesnar and save a fellow babyface. Same with Roman Reigns last week disappearing after winning his Slammy when top heels and faces fought one segment later to end the show. Either WWE recognizes they cannot explain the Disappearing Top Star Phenomenon as the heels get the upperhand or they believe it's not worth drawing attention to it in favor of focusing on who's in the ring.

Fandango mocks Jericho, Reigns comes in and punches him, Big Show appears and tries to intervene.

5 -- JIMMY USO (w/Jey Uso) vs. WWE tag champion THE MIZ (w/WWE tag champ Damien Sandow)

Once the bell sounded, Miz bailed from the ring and the crowd chanted for Sandow. Miz bailed again and the crowd continued to chant for Sandow. Miz then re-entered the ring and acted tough, but he bailed for a third time. Jimmy finally got his hands on Miz with a scoopslam, but the crowd was still more into Sandow. Backstage, Naomi was watching the match on a monitor.

Miz bailed to the outside again, and this time he caught Jimmy on the floor. Sandow kind of moved around the ringside area and bumped into Miz, who lightly shoved him and shot him a look. Sandow calmed down and went back to mimicking Miz, including bridging himself on the floor as Miz went for a bridge submission in the ring.

Miz took a moment to pose, so Jimmy clotheslined him to the floor. Sandow tumbled to the ground, too, then Jimmy rolled Miz back into the ring to pin him for a two count. Jimmy followed with a Samoan Drop, then Sandow entered the ring, looked at the situation, and threw himself down to the mat. The referee tried to restore order, so Jey kicked Miz in the gut from the outside. The crowd didn't like that, then Jimmy took advantage by coming off the top with a Superfly Splash to Miz for the pin and the win.

WINNER: Jimmy at 6:14. WWE tried to set up justification for a babyface, Jey, cheating from the outside with Miz going after Jimmy's wife and Miz & Sandow getting themselves DQ'ed in the Tag Title match last night. But, the booking is so inconsistent and the crowd cares more about Sandow than the Usos that WWE can't pull it off effectively where the audience says, "Yeah, stick it to Miz!" Instead, they were more amused by Sandow and more disappointed that he didn't wrestle tonight.

6 -- JOHN CENA vs. SETH ROLLINS (w/Joey Mercury and Jamie Noble) -- Steel Cage match

As the bell sounded, Cole emphasized the "through the door" method of escaping the cage. As soon as the bell sounded, Rollins tried to run up the cage wall and escape, but Cena pulled him down to begin the match. A dueling "Let's Go Cena / Cena Sucks" chant rang out in the arena as Rollins took control. Credit JBL for putting a reason why this match is in a cage - to keep J&J Security out of the match after they interfered throughout the Tables match last night. But, because that's too 'rasslin, WWE has not emphasized that aspect of why they're having a cage match in favor of just adding something to a match-up that was on PPV last night.

Rollins tried to escape through the cage door two minutes in, but Cena tried to pull him back inside the cage. Rollins got his hand on the steel steps, but Cena pulled him back inside and the cage door was shut closed. Rollins maintained control of the match heading to break.

Back live, Cena and Rollins were selling the effects of the match thus far. Rollins stood up first to stand over Cena as Cole drew attention to their physical tables match last night. On cue, Cena did his customary comeback, but took a kick to the face when he leaned over for You Can't See Me. Cena finished it moments later with a Five Knuckle Shuffle. Cena followed with an AA in the middle of the ring after bumping Mercury off the side of the cage, but Rollins kicked out. A graphic flashed on the screen reminding viewers of Smackdown live tomorrow night on USA Network.

Cena then tried to crawl out of the cage door, but Noble stood on the ring steps to block the cage door from being opened. Cena smiled, then walked over to the door and bumped Noble down to the ground. But, Rollins grabbed Cena from behind and set him up for a superplex. Cena blocked, then nailed a guillotine leg drop, but Rollins kicked out again. Lawler offered logic that Cena could have just turned around and walked out the door, but Cole said the ref had already re-locked the cage door. Is there a limit on the number of times the door can be opened?

Cena tried to climb a cage wall, but Rollins pulled him down to the mat. Cena wanted another AA, but Rollins blocked. Rollins then came off the cage wall with a knee to the face for a two count. Rollins shouted down at Cena that this is what he asked for, then he threw Cena face-first into a cage wall. Rollins continued to talk down to Cena, telling him he's going to pay. Rollins chucked Cena into the cage wall again, then the crowd picked up a dueling chant of "Let's Go Rollins / Let's Go Cena."

Rollins tried to end Cena with a third cage toss, but Cena reversed and Seth ate the cage wall. Both men on the mat selling the effects. Cena tried to crawl across the ring to escape through the door, but Mercury showed up to slam the cage door near Cena's face. Cena fell backwards and Seth covered him for a two count, only. Ringside, Mercury sold frustration while also bleeding from the eyebrow.

Reset at 15:00 with Cena surprising Seth with the STF, but Seth crawled toward the cage door. J&J tried to yank Seth out of the ring, but Cena pulled him back into the ring on the tug-of-war spot. Before the door was closed, J&J tossed Rollins's MITB briefcase inside the cage. Seth picked it up and measured Cena for a case shot, but Cena ducked and clotheslined Seth hard to the mat. Both men sold on the mat.

Reset at 17:00 with the two men trading bombs. Cena wanted an AA, but Rollins flipped onto his feet and smashed Cena in the mouth with the briefcase, but Cena kicked out of a pin. Rollins freaked out after being unable to finish Cena, then he decided to use his energy reserve to climb over the cage wall. Seth got halfway over, but Cena got up and grabbed him. Noble and Mercury were helpless at ringside as Cena dragged Seth back inside the cage, put him on his shoulders standing on the top turnbuckle, and delivered a super AA. Cena could not make a cover, though, after the move took everything out of him.

After a few replays of the super AA, Brock Lesnar's music played. J&J decided to take off, then Lesnar showed up with Heyman and ... the WWE World Title belt. Cole said both Cena and Seth are dead meat inside the cage. Lesnar promptly entered the cage and took out Cena with German Suplexes. Then, an F5. Heyman returned the title belt to Lesnar, then extended his hand to Rollins, who forced a smile and received the shake. Cole stammered a question about whether they're all in cahoots, while Lawler wondered if Seth has just sold out to form another alliance.

Once Lesnar and Heyman took off, the match continued with Seth measuring Cena for a Curb Stomp. Seth delivered it, then kind of hobbled toward the MITB briefcase. (Cena protected from taking a pinfall.) Seth picked up the case, then walked toward the cage door. "You can do it, Seth!" Noble shouted. Seth put one foot in front of the other, walked slowly down the ring steps, and hit the floor to win the match. Lawler declared that Seth Rollins has defeated John Cena in a steel cage match.

Post-match, JBL wondered if it's a master plan. Cole wondered if Heyman came up with the plan on the fly, or if Seth figured this all out. Lawler said whether it was pre-meditated or happened on the fly, it happened. Back inside the cage, Cena woke up and sold the effects of the match. On the stage, Seth was hoisted in the air by J&J as Raw signed off 10 minutes past the top of the hour.

WINNER: Rollins at 23:30. Pretty good cage match until they compromised the purpose of a cage match, which seems to be the case in most WWE cage matches. It's difficult for anyone to get excited about a cage match when the expectation is something screwy instead of settling/resolving an issue. But, they did reinforce Seth as a top heel to make up for not being in the Rumble main event. Trying to trace back through the Creative of Heyman/Shield/Rollins over the last two years will make your head explode trying to determine if they're going for long-term collusion here, so it's best to just assume the association was on the fly and formed out of convenience until further notice.
 

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THey took the belt off of Lashley and put it on Roode?

That might make it worth watching. I really like Roode. Though he was better (awesome) as a heel.
Yes, they took it off him early in one of their taping runs, was widely known, but obviously kept running taped shows, so that was kind of weird- I was expecting that Roode would be a transition champ to move the belt to MVP, since that was the original plan way back when, before MVP got hurt. I assumed that MVP could carry the title as a heel (he's been really good as a heel in TNA) and that Lashley would likely move to a more tweener-type role or turn face- he's pretty damn over as a monster who doesn't talk much. Turn Kenny King with him (the seeds are there, KK doesn't seem to agree with a lot of the things that MVP does any more, as well) to give him another mouthpiece, and you have a good program.

I like Roode, don't get me wrong, but yeah, he's just a bad face. Great heel, though. Once the program with Lashley and MVP is done (get the belt to Lashley as a face?) have a heel Roode come in and feud over it and that would be worth watching.
Roode being the champ is great but in my opinion TNA needs to do a complete overhaul and start over from scratch. Do tournaments for every belt and let it go from there. Bring it in as a completely revamped in every way show and basically disavow all that they had going on Spike. And NO MATTER WHAT do NOT let Dixie appear on tv. Fresh show, new show, WWE Alternative and not Lite. It works for ROH and if TNA with their much smaller budget can get some of the top indy guys out there who knows what could happen. I was NOT a fan of the Spike product but if the can 180 what they had from there they might be able to get something. I'll watch but then I never even knew I had the channel it'll be showing on until after the announcement but after looking VERY deep in my channel list on Cox cable that's going to make it tough for them to get a lot of exposure.
I totally spaced that out- that's the other thing I hate about Dixie- her ego tells her that she absolutely should be on screen. She's still terrible as a character. EC3 would have gotten over without her, so would Spud. Bully Ray didn't need to put her through a table. I dunno, maybe there's a small chance she'll stay off tv this time. She gets X-Pac heat, whether she'll admit it or not.

LttP: I finally watched NXT REvolution. Went from tonight's Raw to that. Lesnar returning on Raw was the only thing on Raw that was halfway interesting at all (stuck in the same damn matches over and over, though I do think creative is showing its hand on leaning strongly toward Cena/Reigns at WM after all, due to the Ryback/Rusev staredown- there's no way either guy is jobbing in that matchup until WM, and Cena was originally getting the first pin against Rusev. So now my guess is they have their showdown in the Rumble and go on to a WM match, and Ryback gets the win over Rusev instead of Cena if it turns out that Lesnar isn't around).

Show sucked, basically, other than that.

Then I turned on the NXT special. Wow. Charlotte and Sasha were REALLY good- That was one of the best women's matches I can remember. Charlotte is so far ahead o teh other women, main roster included, it's not even funny (Sasha is probably second, followed by Paige, but seriously, she makes them look like amateurs). Zayn and Neville were excellent, as advertised. Kevin Steen looked motivated as hell, he's going to be awesome. Corbin has a great look and he's physically fantastic, but green as hell. Reminds me of Sean O'Haire. Kind of let down by Devitt and KENTA though, by the booking. Devitt's entrance was insane, and then they just had to sell for Ascension for ten minutes before a babyface comeback and the pin? Blah. Put those two in there with Lucha Dragons for fifteen good minutes.

Overall though, damn, made the main roster look bad by comparison, as usual. There is some damn fine talent in the pipeline.

Corey Graves and Alex Riley together on commentary though, ugh. That combination was horrific.

edit: holy shit on Zayn's inverted 'rana bump. That was sick, and looked incredible. Dude is going to be the next Daniel Bryan, here's hoping they don't fuck him up the same way.

edit edit: Caldwell says I'm insane and Rusev beats a (protected) Ryback long before the Rumble. Of course he does, plans don't play out that far in advance, I is a silly goose.
 
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This

And, oh yeah, there was Dolph Ziggler quickly moved to after-thought status.

And This

Although, an argument could be made that the vocal males turned on New Day because it's a one-dimensional act on the road to being nauseating.

And ESPECIALLY this

Rose held control early on, but Kane cut him off and the crowd somewhat cheered. Kane wanted a chokeslam on Rose, but The Bunny hopped into the ring, so Kane delivered a double chokeslam. The vile heel, Kane, pinned Rose as Lawler chuckled on commentary. That about captured the tone of this. Kane wasn't done, though, as he grabbed The Bunny and gave the mascot a Tombstone to "Yes!" chants. Kane took off, then Rose rolled back into the ring to check on The Bunny. Ringside, the announcers laughed it up.

WINNER: Kane at 1:27. Seriously, what tone does WWE want for this? Just happy fun time where it doesn't matter if the audience is supposed to like Rose and dislike Kane, or vice versa? Hard for Kane to benefit anyone as a monster to be conquered if he's positioned as the likable figure in a joke match.


Are all great examples of why the entire booking team needs to be fucking fired.
 

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The problem isn't fully the creative team, reading interviews with former guys in it they put out a ton of great ideas but at the end of the day they have zero impact as it ALL goes through Vince and he gets final say no matter what. Ready for him to have a stroke, become debilitated, heart attack, etc. (which is horrible to say) but until he is gone and Triple H is in charge there just isn't a lot of hope for change.
 

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I don't want anything horrible to happen to Vince. I just want him to realize that he's no longer in touch with what his fans want and move aside.

Does everyone really think Trips will do a better job, though? I have my doubts.
 

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I don't want anything horrible to happen to Vince. I just want him to realize that he's no longer in touch with what his fans want and move aside.

Does everyone really think Trips will do a better job, though? I have my doubts.

He won't be able to do the same as what he can get away with in NXT of course since WWE is a national touring company with sponsors, deals, etc. they have to follow but at least Triple H is willing to give guys a chance and not dumb them to nothingness right off the bat which is the MO of Vince.
 

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After these poor ass excuses for shows, me and the wifed decided to just watch NXT from now on. I might tune in if they ever let Ziggler become champ again (ha ha).
 

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The problem isn't fully the creative team, reading interviews with former guys in it they put out a ton of great ideas but at the end of the day they have zero impact as it ALL goes through Vince and he gets final say no matter what.

Yeah, I heard it has gotten to the point where they don't even bother writing shit since Vince says no to most of it anyways. Or they just try to figure out what vince will like, and then write that. Horrible way to run any type of entertainment empire.

I remember Bill Watts saying that he had full control for one or two shows (was his rule for coming on board) and shit went really well. But within a week, Vince had to put the brakes and take back control. Just because he's such a control freak.

They should turn Smackdown over to a cabal of writers/bookers with only minimal oversight. See what they come up with.
 
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He won't be able to do the same as what he can get away with in NXT of course since WWE is a national touring company with sponsors, deals, etc. they have to follow but at least Triple H is willing to give guys a chance and not dumb them to nothingness right off the bat which is the MO of Vince.
Yeah, pretty much my thoughts, as well- he has a good eye for talent, and he seems to be willing to invest in a wider range of guys than VKM would have (I don't think Devitt, Steen, KENTA, Ambrose, Neville, Zayn, and others would be in the places they're at without Hunter). As long as guys are willing to humble themselves sufficiently (i.e. go through NXT regardless of their standing as an indie star), he seems to have gotten away from Vince's old aversion to hiring indie guys. He seems a lot more pragmatic than Vince is.
 

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Yeah, pretty much my thoughts, as well- he has a good eye for talent, and he seems to be willing to invest in a wider range of guys than VKM would have (I don't think Devitt, Steen, KENTA, Ambrose, Neville, Zayn, and others would be in the places they're at without Hunter). As long as guys are willing to humble themselves sufficiently (i.e. go through NXT regardless of their standing as an indie star), he seems to have gotten away from Vince's old aversion to hiring indie guys. He seems a lot more pragmatic than Vince is.
If Vince had his way, NXT would be filled with nothing but big guys like Reigns.
 

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Doctor Tom Prichard (Former Head trainer of FCW) takes exception to all these claims that guys Like Reigns, Rusev, Wyatt, Dallas and Emma came up through NXT. In all reality, they came up through FCW. According to him, the only person really trained by NXT (as NXT) was Lanna.
 

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They should turn Smackdown over to a cabal of writers/bookers with only minimal oversight. See what they come up with.

Hence why Smackdown 2003-2005 was so based. Paul Heyman was in charge of SD! throughout that time.
 

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Hence why Smackdown 2003-2005 was so based. Paul Heyman was in charge of SD! throughout that time.


I stopped watching Raw at that point but I watched SD! every week

When he was on Stone Cold's podcast Heyman said people got pissed that SD! pulled in higher ratings then the flagship Raw
 

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They should change the NXT ropes blue, call it smackdown and throw it up on Sci-Fy friday nights.
 

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Meanwhile NXT was awesome again. Love seeing Owens/Steen in action. He's like a new Bam Bam Bigelow. I really need to watch more of his older matches. I watched part of an ROH match with him and Sami in a ladder match and it was friggen sick.

NXT is what Raw and Smackdown should be. Most of the matches are great, even the Diva's. They don't spend half the show re-capping what just happened or what happened a week ago, but most of all... The commentators actually call the fucking matches! It's great since their already on the WWE Network they don't have to constantly shill for subscribers and hype people up for the next PPV when they should be excited for what's going on in front of them.

I keep my subscription to the network for NXT and the documentaries, even though their all skewed to the WWE's side and they pretend people like Benoit never existed. But I'd much rather que up something good from the past then seeing the SAME FUCKING THING EVERY WEEK. I felt so bad for the soldiers in the "Tribute to the Troops" they just recycled matches from Survivor Series and Raw from the night before. Next week's is going to suck because even though they've got a lot of guys coming in for the Christmas episode Mick Foley dropped out due to prior engagement and I always love seeing him on.
 

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I stopped watching Raw at that point but I watched SD! every week

When he was on Stone Cold's podcast Heyman said people got pissed that SD! pulled in higher ratings then the flagship Raw

I was never around to watch Smackdown around that time. I don't know why I kept watching RAW when it was garbage. :(
 

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I really like Renee Young on commentary. Especially when she just starts making shit up.
 
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