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    Quote Originally Posted by Famicommander View Post
    This is a man who thinks the Omega vs Okada matches were bad for "exposing the business".
    Uhh I'm pretty sure he's never claimed that those matches exposed the business. He thinks Omega is a goofball who has done stuff to expose the business in the past (DDT comedy matches). I think he also hates omega because he cancelled an roh date back when cornette was working for them, only to show up on that date booked in Japan.

    As far as the angle cornette uses to claim Omega exposes the business...I think he's kind of grasping at straws. I'm pretty sure Omega's 6-Star classics aren't any of those straws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Famicommander View Post
    Nice. I'm hoping they finally run a show in Denver since Sinclair is buying Tribune, who owns the local Fox and CW stations. That's usually how ROH decides which new markets to run; they wait for their parent company to buy a TV station there, put ROH TV on it, then see how the ratings look.
    ROH is weird in the towns they run. You can't get ROH within 150 miles of my town and we get two TV tappings a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andsuchisdeath View Post
    Uhh I'm pretty sure he's never claimed that those matches exposed the business. He thinks Omega is a goofball who has done stuff to expose the business in the past (DDT comedy matches). I think he also hates omega because he cancelled an roh date back when cornette was working for them, only to show up on that date booked in Japan.

    As far as the angle cornette uses to claim Omega exposes the business...I think he's kind of grasping at straws. I'm pretty sure Omega's 6-Star classics aren't any of those straws.
    No, he literally said it

    Dave Meltzer tweeted this:
    Okada & Omega 2017 will be viewed same as Flair & Steamboat among those in Carolinas in 1977. Reaction is identical. Most loved them, big business, old-timers said they were fake & killing business with all their high spots. Kids grew copying, became template for great work.
    And Cornette tweeted this in response:
    Flair & Steamboat were grown ass men, hitting each other hard & working at the highest level in the sport, & never exposed the business in their matches or outside the ring. These jackoffs are kids playing wrestler & laughing at how they tell people it's fake. They're a disgrace.
    Regarding the ROH cancellation... he cancelled a wrestling appearance due to an injury, then showed up in Japan (where he lives year round) at a show and cut a promo. He didn't wrestle and he would have been at the ROH show if he could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Famicommander View Post
    No, he literally said it

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    That wasn't a criticism of the match itself.
    There was no immunity to cuckoo ideas on Earth.
    Here was the reason human beings could not reject ideas because they were bad: "Ideas on Earth were badges of friendship or enmity.
    Their content didn't matter. Friends agreed with friends, in order to express friendliness. Enemies disagreed with enemies, in order to express enmity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norton9478 View Post
    That wasn't a criticism of the match itself.
    He responded directly to a tweet about the quality of the matches.

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    Fell a little behind on these ROH weeklies, so here's everything before we start back over with WOH Wednesday tomorrow

    Future of Honor Friday (12/15/17):


    Women of Honor Wednesday (12/20/17):


    Throwback Thursday (12/21/17):


    Last week's Future of Honor Friday:

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    Via PWTorch.com...

    WWE reports today on its website that Dean Ambrose injury “will keep him out approximately nine months.”

    “He tore some of the distal triceps tendon where it attaches to the forearm bone, called the olecranon,” Dr. Dugas told WWE.com. “He basically tore about 50 percent of the triceps tendon away from the bone. So yesterday we repaired that back down to the bone where it tore off of. The surgery was very straightforward; we removed all of the extra bursal tissue — all of that extra swollen stuff around his elbow.”

    Keller’s Analysis: Often wrestlers beat the expected timeline for recovery, but that’s the worst case scenario among the timelines that have been talked about since his injury and news of his need to have surgery. This effectively ends The Shield reunion, which was already delayed by Roman Reigns’s illness headed into Survivor Series. While losing Ambrose as an active wrestler, it doesn’t mean WWE won’t find a role for him on TV in the mean time. The bigger impact might be on Reigns, who was benefiting from the on-air chemistry he had with his Shield partners. This also appears to be benefiting Jason Jordan, who immediately moves up a notch on the Raw depth chart and is involved in a high-profile storyline with Seth Rollins and Kurt Angle at this time.

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    Women of Honor Wednesday:


    Throwback Thursday:


    Future of Honor Friday:


    ROH Update featuring new title belts:


    Brand new World Television, World Tag Team, and World Six Man Tag Team Championship belts to go with the new World Title and Women of Honor Title. I think they all look fantastic.

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    Chris Jericho has dedicated his Wrestle Kingdom 12 match to Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit.

    I can't believe he would do such a thing. I realize they were all friends but I can't imagine Eddie would want his name mentioned alongside Benoit's. Once you murder your child and wife you really shouldn't get things dedicated to you anymore. Kind of a shitball move by Jericho.

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    I feel like I stole Jericho vs Omega, well worth the price of admission!
    It's reeeeeal!!

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    Watched WrestleKingdom 12 live overnight and I was blown away by how awesome it was.

    I love how over the top the hype was for every one of the highlight packages and the announcements of forthcoming shows. I loved the Engrish, I loved the bombast, I loved how I understood these characters and their gimmicks without having any background of the storylines. They told it in the ring.

    Cody was one of many, many wasted opportunities for WWE. How could they let such a talented performer go? It boggles the mind.

    After watching this show, I realize how stale WWE's product is. What I watched last night was a great evolution of the business I loved so much growing up.

    Man, I was impressed.


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    I am not going to get to watch until this weekend unfortunately. I still need to watch the last Road to Wrestle Kingdom show tonight, tomorrow I have Nuggets tickets, and Saturday I have Avalanche tickets.

    WWE definitely missed the boat on Cody Rhodes, but the funniest part is that he isn't even in the top 15 most talented ROH World Champions. He's somewhere around 20th out of 24.
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    I think my respect for Cody is more about seeing what he's capable of, both in the ring and in crafting a character, when unfettered by WWE's terrible creative direction. I'm just wowed by him because I always knew he was 'good' but I've never seen him exhibit this level of superstardom.

    In retrospect, I think my favorite match on the show is a tie between the Rhodes-Ibushi match and the Suzuki-Gotoh match. Both were excellent combinations of wrestling, respective to their styles, and storytelling because I'm such a fan of theatrics in pro wrestling. This is the sort of creative sensibility that WWE sorely needs.

    I'm also painfully aware of how WWE is all but ruining Shinsuke Nakamura right now. I am truly regretting not going out of my way to watch his star rise in NJPW. Likewise for A.J. Styles, who I knew was a great wrestler but I didn't watch him during his time in Japan. I'm going to be keeping a close eye on the international scene from now on.

    I can't stop thinking about WrestleKingdom 12. It has really opened my eyes.

    I also want to say that I'm not downplaying Jericho-Omega or the fourway with Osprey, Scurrl and all the rest. There wasn't a 'bad' show on the card, but those matche4s lived up to my expectations so I am talking about the matches that exceeded them.


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    Doctor Doom Cody Rhodes was awesome.
    There was no immunity to cuckoo ideas on Earth.
    Here was the reason human beings could not reject ideas because they were bad: "Ideas on Earth were badges of friendship or enmity.
    Their content didn't matter. Friends agreed with friends, in order to express friendliness. Enemies disagreed with enemies, in order to express enmity.

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    I've been saying it for years but NJPW is head and shoulders above the second best promotion in the world right now. And as the second best, ROH is head and shoulders above the third best.

    Lucha Underground is on the same level but that's really just a TV show and not a proper promotion.

    WWE is a plague on this business. All they do is take great talent from better promotions and immediately get to work ruining what makes them special. Like Karl Anderson. Has he done ANYTHING entertaining since he got to WWE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by norton9478 View Post
    Doctor Doom Cody Rhodes was awesome.
    Actually, that was a nod to Link with the cloak and Legend of Zelda, which Cody is a huge fan of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Famicommander View Post
    I've been saying it for years but NJPW is head and shoulders above the second best promotion in the world right now. And as the second best, ROH is head and shoulders above the third best.

    Lucha Underground is on the same level but that's really just a TV show and not a proper promotion.

    WWE is a plague on this business. All they do is take great talent from better promotions and immediately get to work ruining what makes them special. Like Karl Anderson. Has he done ANYTHING entertaining since he got to WWE?
    It's almost like they sign these guys away from NJPW just to sabotage a promotion that they fear is gaining steam internationally. May NJPW continue to build on its success.


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    2017 was the second most successful year in NJPW history (behind 1997) and also the most successful in ROH history by a county mile.

    Collectively since 2015 the two promotions have lost AJ Styles, Adam Cole, Shinsuke Nakamura, Kyle O'Reilly, Roderick Strong, Karl Anderson, Doc Gallows, Prince Devitt, Ricochet, Bobby Fish, any many more to WWE and they're not even phased by it as far as attendance and viewership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Famicommander View Post
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    Officially?
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    Unify the IWGP Heavyweight, Jr Heavyweight...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeAwesome View Post
    Officially?
    I don't know if it's official yet but he already said his goodbyes to Lucha Underground, NJPW, and Dragon Gate. He's definitely going to WWE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Famicommander View Post
    . Like Karl Anderson. Has he done ANYTHING entertaining since he got to WWE?
    Has Karl Anderson ever done anything entertaining in his professional career?
    There was no immunity to cuckoo ideas on Earth.
    Here was the reason human beings could not reject ideas because they were bad: "Ideas on Earth were badges of friendship or enmity.
    Their content didn't matter. Friends agreed with friends, in order to express friendliness. Enemies disagreed with enemies, in order to express enmity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norton9478 View Post
    Has Karl Anderson ever done anything entertaining in his professional career?
    Yes. See: Bullet Club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Famicommander View Post
    Yes. See: Bullet Club.
    I understand that he was in the Bullet Club. And that Bullet club was entertaining. But how much of that was Karl Anderson, I do not know.

    I always assumed that he was the "Tully Blanchard" of the stable.
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    There was no immunity to cuckoo ideas on Earth.
    Here was the reason human beings could not reject ideas because they were bad: "Ideas on Earth were badges of friendship or enmity.
    Their content didn't matter. Friends agreed with friends, in order to express friendliness. Enemies disagreed with enemies, in order to express enmity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norton9478 View Post
    I understand that he was in the Bullet Club. And that Bullet club was entertaining. But how much of that was Karl Anderson, I do not know.

    I always assumed that he was the "Tully Blanchard" of the stable.
    He was their mouthpiece and a fantastic in-ring performer, and the leader (in NJPW) of the stable in between Prince Devitt and Kenny Omega.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Famicommander View Post
    He was their mouthpiece and a fantastic in-ring performer, and the leader (in NJPW) of the stable in between Prince Devitt and Kenny Omega.
    Seconded. Not a weak link.
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