Results 1 to 22 of 22

Thread: Original label?

  1. #1
    Crossed Swords Squire
    Hawwa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Spain

    Posts
    191

    Original label?

    Hello guys,

    I'm having a discussion with a potential seller about a Real Bout Fatal Fury MVS english, for which he claims that the label is original.

    Here are the pics of the label on both the cart and the box. I think is a repro label, not very good printed and worse cutted. Opinions?









    He didn't want to open the cart so I can't tell if the boards are bootleg or not, just curious about the label since he has a friend "that knows a lot about Neo Geo" who told him that it was a SNK original label.

  2. #2
    Krauser's Henchman
    Digmac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Location
    Lolifoxgirl's basement in the West Korean slums

    Posts
    1,079
    Repro label on the cart and box. The fact that he didn’t want to open the cart is a red flag. I’d just pass, it’s a common cart.


    http://www.neo-archive.com

  3. #3
    Crossed Swords Squire
    Hawwa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Spain

    Posts
    191
    I'm not buying it but it was somehow to finish the discussion. Just checking what the community here thinks about the label.

    He is willing to open the cart anyway, I'll ask him for pics of the board, now I'm curious.

  4. #4
    N00b of Syougi Knud's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2020
    Location
    Iceland

    Posts
    209
    This just looks like it is printed on normal paper and hand cut with scissors

  5. #5
    The Chinese Kid Kid Panda's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Panda Islandô

    Posts
    12,454
    Bet heís trying to get full kit price.

  6. #6
    Crossed Swords Squire
    Hawwa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Spain

    Posts
    191
    Nah, I think he's honest but not well informed, and not willing to admit he got cheated when he bought this.

    The game just have the cart and box, nothing else, so we can forget about the full kit.

    I'm starting to believe the box was from other game and they used it to increase the price of the RBFF...

  7. #7

    Neo Alec's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2000
    Location
    USA

    Posts
    8,824
    I don't think it's a widely bootlegged game. Experts are sometimes able to fairly confidently verify real boards and mask roms before opening by looking through the cart vents.
    https://basementbrothers.net/

  8. #8
    Benimaru's Hairdresser
    joecommando's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    bellingham WA

    Posts
    946
    most likely a legit cart, but that label is fake AF

  9. #9
    Crossed Swords Squire
    Hawwa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Spain

    Posts
    191
    Original cart indeed, here are the board pics


  10. #10
    Genbu's Turtle Keeper
    shadowkn55's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    SoCal

    Posts
    2,386
    Is it from Italy? I've have a Blazing Star with legit boards but had a similarly looking label that said Concorde B. Star.

  11. #11
    Crossed Swords Squire
    Hawwa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Spain

    Posts
    191
    Quote Originally Posted by shadowkn55 View Post
    Is it from Italy? I've have a Blazing Star with legit boards but had a similarly looking label that said Concorde B. Star.
    No, it's from Spain.

    Actually the seller seems legit, I bought a KOF 96, Goalx3 and Neo Geo Cup 98 from him, all of them original with good labels. I believe he got scammed with the RBFF and is refusing to admit the label is repro. He doesn't seem to know a lot about neo geo, but he's got a pretty good deal with this kits from an arcade operator.



    All the games in boxes are matching full kits. Everything for 300€. Guess there are still good deals out there
    Last edited by Hawwa; 09-11-2020 at 02:28 PM.

  12. #12
    drunk downunder!
    aka. Muff Diver.
    lachlan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    A Hard Earned Thirst

    Posts
    16,391
    Right angled labels on MVS carts and kit boxes? Yeah nah mate, try again.

  13. #13
    Dogg-Father
    Neodogg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Cincinnati, OH

    Posts
    3,600
    Quote Originally Posted by lachlan View Post
    Right angled labels on MVS carts and kit boxes? Yeah nah mate, try again.
    yup, in all my experience they should have some kind of radius to the corner
    _ _ ___________________________ _ _
    People I've delt with:
    |Steve Rhine|Vinh|Jeff Kurtz|Kenny Boy|Big Bear|Fox1|Bones|Kid Aphex|Bluevoodu|Kubikiri Basara|Shawn|Michael Yagami|

  14. #14
    Crossed Swords Squire
    Hawwa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Spain

    Posts
    191
    And be properly cut, not that cheap scissor cut.

    That were the two things I noticed and the reason I didn't buy the game.

    Thanks everyone.

  15. #15
    Pm Rot. He'll Give You
    A Great Custom Rank.
    [OCEAN]'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Barcelona,Spain
    Posts
    740
    Have you tried peeling the label and seeing if there's another underneath?

    I had the same copy, bought a couple of them from an arcade dealer around 15 years ago who was selling them as new. Funny thing is that underneath the cart's label, there was a Real Bout Fatal Fury SPECIAL one (IIRC a holo label which looked original). Opened them and they were originals.

    I've seen a lot of these floating around since then, with the same labels, boxes and no serials/marquees/movelist, and I still wonder what's the story behind them.

  16. #16
    Crossed Swords Squire
    Hawwa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Spain

    Posts
    191
    Quote Originally Posted by [OCEAN] View Post
    Have you tried peeling the label and seeing if there's another underneath?

    I had the same copy, bought a couple of them from an arcade dealer around 15 years ago who was selling them as new. Funny thing is that underneath the cart's label, there was a Real Bout Fatal Fury SPECIAL one (IIRC a holo label which looked original). Opened them and they were originals.

    I've seen a lot of these floating around since then, with the same labels, boxes and no serials/marquees/movelist, and I still wonder what's the story behind them.
    I don't have the cart since I didn't purchase it but that's the same story the seller told me, that he've got it from an arcade operator who bought it like that directly from SNK (obviously not). If the actual label is underneath now I'm really curious.

  17. #17
    Pm Rot. He'll Give You
    A Great Custom Rank.
    [OCEAN]'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Barcelona,Spain
    Posts
    740
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawwa View Post
    I don't have the cart since I didn't purchase it but that's the same story the seller told me, that he've got it from an arcade operator who bought it like that directly from SNK (obviously not). If the actual label is underneath now I'm really curious.
    Actually they had RBFF SPECIAL labels under it (looking original, with serials and all), which is even stranger...

  18. #18
    Crossed Swords Squire
    Hawwa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Spain

    Posts
    191
    Quote Originally Posted by [OCEAN] View Post
    Actually they had RBFF SPECIAL labels under it (looking original, with serials and all), which is even stranger...
    Wait, but it was a RBFF with RBFF Special label? Or the game was RBFF Special?

  19. #19
    Pm Rot. He'll Give You
    A Great Custom Rank.
    [OCEAN]'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Barcelona,Spain
    Posts
    740
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawwa View Post
    Wait, but it was a RBFF with RBFF Special label? Or the game was RBFF Special?
    The game is RBFF, exactly the same as the picture you shared, but the label underneath the repro RBFF label was an original-looking RBFFS one. Both the kits I got were the same, that's why I was asking about that one!

    Really weird... who and why would create RBFF kits using RBFFS shells/labels?

  20. #20
    Kuroko's Training Dummy

    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Paris, France

    Posts
    77
    Quote Originally Posted by [OCEAN] View Post
    Have you tried peeling the label and seeing if there's another underneath?

    I had the same copy, bought a couple of them from an arcade dealer around 15 years ago who was selling them as new. Funny thing is that underneath the cart's label, there was a Real Bout Fatal Fury SPECIAL one (IIRC a holo label which looked original). Opened them and they were originals.

    I've seen a lot of these floating around since then, with the same labels, boxes and no serials/marquees/movelist, and I still wonder what's the story behind them.
    indeed, those carts with xeroxed label and kit box were "commonly" available in Europe years ago. I have seen relabelled Real About Fatal Fury, Pulstar and Viewpoint "kits" like this over the years. For these last two games, the carts had an original Japanese label under the fake label.

  21. #21

    Neo Alec's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2000
    Location
    USA

    Posts
    8,824
    Relabeled carts with fake English labels over the original Japanese label are common. Back in the day, the fake English label usually wasn't as convincing.

    Personally, I always remove the fake label and go back to the original Japanese one if it can be done cleanly.
    https://basementbrothers.net/

  22. #22
    Krauser's Henchman
    Digmac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Location
    Lolifoxgirl's basement in the West Korean slums

    Posts
    1,079
    Quote Originally Posted by Neo Alec View Post
    Relabeled carts with fake English labels over the original Japanese label are common. Back in the day, the fake English label usually wasn't as convincing.

    Personally, I always remove the fake label and go back to the original Japanese one if it can be done cleanly.
    I had a triple label cart like this. It was a Puzzle Bobble bootleg with a fake label. I removed it, and there was an RBS label. Under the RBS label, was a Twinkle Star Sprites label. I ended up getting the RBS label off to where the TSS label was visible. It wasn’t pretty from the adhesive of the RBS label, but I sold the shell with the TSS label on eBay for close to $50. Not too shabby.


    http://www.neo-archive.com

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •